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There's a dispute over the bolded phrase in ''In "[[The Almost People]]" it is revealed that the Amy present is actually an avatar version created with "the Flesh"'' '''''and controlled by Amy's consciousness''''', ''which the Doctor destroys and sets off with Rory to find the real Amy, who is going into labour.'' It is clear to me from the episode cited ([[A Good Man Goes to War]]) that this is indeed the case. What is the reason to suppose otherwise? [[User:Old Crobuzon|Old Crobuzon]] ([[User talk:Old Crobuzon|talk]]) 06:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC) |
There's a dispute over the bolded phrase in ''In "[[The Almost People]]" it is revealed that the Amy present is actually an avatar version created with "the Flesh"'' '''''and controlled by Amy's consciousness''''', ''which the Doctor destroys and sets off with Rory to find the real Amy, who is going into labour.'' It is clear to me from the episode cited ([[A Good Man Goes to War]]) that this is indeed the case. What is the reason to suppose otherwise? [[User:Old Crobuzon|Old Crobuzon]] ([[User talk:Old Crobuzon|talk]]) 06:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC) |
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:In "[[The Rebel Flesh]]", the workers <u>deliberately</u> strap themselves into harnesses and control what their doppelgangers are doing – ie. they mentally process acid or whatever, and the ganger physically processes the acid. Their consciousness controls the ganger. However, while Amy is on Demon's Run, she is not controlling her duplicate in the TARDIS. <small><original research>Why would she co-operate with her captors by doing so?</original research></small> Nowhere is it <u>stated</u> that she is doing so. It is clear that she is pregnant.<br>Let's put it this way: unless you can provide a quote from the episode or other [[WP:RS|reliable source]] to state that the ganger is "controlled by Amy's consciousness" then the statement should come out of the article as unreferenced. <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">high seas</span>]]─╢</font> 07:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC) |
:In "[[The Rebel Flesh]]", the workers <u>deliberately</u> strap themselves into harnesses and control what their doppelgangers are doing – ie. they mentally process acid or whatever, and the ganger physically processes the acid. Their consciousness controls the ganger. However, while Amy is on Demon's Run, she is not controlling her duplicate in the TARDIS. <small><original research>Why would she co-operate with her captors by doing so? Why wouldn't she warn the Doctor about what's happening if it's her consciousness that's in command?</original research></small> Nowhere is it <u>stated</u> that she is doing so. It is clear that she is pregnant.<br>Let's put it this way: unless you can provide a quote from the episode or other [[WP:RS|reliable source]] to state that the ganger is "controlled by Amy's consciousness" then the statement should come out of the article as unreferenced. <font color="#A20846">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">high seas</span>]]─╢</font> 07:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC) |
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Change last name?
Amy is now and already has been married to Rory Williams. Should we change her name from Pond to Williams as they are now married? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrAmberGold (talk • contribs) 16:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think it was ever said that her last name was changed (although I haven't rewatched series 6 yet). We definitely should not move the article as she is most commonly known as Amy Pond. BOVINEBOY2008 16:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- She hasn't changed her name. Edgepedia (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- After their wedding, the Doctor calls Rory "Mister Pond". But I don't think we need to change his name, either. --Ebyabe (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- And what do reliable sources say about any name change? Old Crobuzon (talk) 11:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- After their wedding, the Doctor calls Rory "Mister Pond". But I don't think we need to change his name, either. --Ebyabe (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- She hasn't changed her name. Edgepedia (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Content in the summary
Towards the beginning of the article, it says "She marries Rory Williams and gives birth to a daughter Melody, who is revealed to be the recurring character River Song." Surely that's not so crucial to her character that it belongs in the first paragraph, where anyone could see it? That doesn't really explain who she is as a person, that's just a couple of significant things that occur in her life. 82.33.33.19 (talk) 09:06, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- "Where anyone could see it" – it's not supposed to be top secret... ╟─TreasuryTag►most serene─╢ 09:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- No, but equally, it's not exactly "basic info" in the same way the rest of that paragraph is. Got by for a good series and a half without a fair chunk of it. Meanwhile, we don't know where she lives, her occupation history... the article doesn't even use the word "Scottish" until the "Character Creation" section. Just saying that it sticks out a bit, given that it's in an intro where we've not really got the basics. Basically, I don't think that's the first thing the reader needs to know. 82.33.33.19 (talk) 08:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the fact that she's River Song's mum is fairly significant (and is almost certain to become more so once the second half of the series airs). ╟─TreasuryTag►District Collector─╢ 08:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- No, but equally, it's not exactly "basic info" in the same way the rest of that paragraph is. Got by for a good series and a half without a fair chunk of it. Meanwhile, we don't know where she lives, her occupation history... the article doesn't even use the word "Scottish" until the "Character Creation" section. Just saying that it sticks out a bit, given that it's in an intro where we've not really got the basics. Basically, I don't think that's the first thing the reader needs to know. 82.33.33.19 (talk) 08:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Real vs flesh
There's a dispute over the bolded phrase in In "The Almost People" it is revealed that the Amy present is actually an avatar version created with "the Flesh" and controlled by Amy's consciousness, which the Doctor destroys and sets off with Rory to find the real Amy, who is going into labour. It is clear to me from the episode cited (A Good Man Goes to War) that this is indeed the case. What is the reason to suppose otherwise? Old Crobuzon (talk) 06:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- In "The Rebel Flesh", the workers deliberately strap themselves into harnesses and control what their doppelgangers are doing – ie. they mentally process acid or whatever, and the ganger physically processes the acid. Their consciousness controls the ganger. However, while Amy is on Demon's Run, she is not controlling her duplicate in the TARDIS. <original research>Why would she co-operate with her captors by doing so? Why wouldn't she warn the Doctor about what's happening if it's her consciousness that's in command?</original research> Nowhere is it stated that she is doing so. It is clear that she is pregnant.
Let's put it this way: unless you can provide a quote from the episode or other reliable source to state that the ganger is "controlled by Amy's consciousness" then the statement should come out of the article as unreferenced. ╟─TreasuryTag►high seas─╢ 07:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
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