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* To {{u|Lukan27}} specifically, COVID-19 is just as contentious. Trust me on that one. Just take a break. There's no reason to spend so much time on a volunteer effort. You and I both need to heed the [[User:Hipal#Advice_for_new_editors_-_A_lengthy_welcome| advice here]]. Where you're standing, you're going to end up getting blocked from editing altogether. |
* To {{u|Lukan27}} specifically, COVID-19 is just as contentious. Trust me on that one. Just take a break. There's no reason to spend so much time on a volunteer effort. You and I both need to heed the [[User:Hipal#Advice_for_new_editors_-_A_lengthy_welcome| advice here]]. Where you're standing, you're going to end up getting blocked from editing altogether. |
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This entire process ''almost'' seems like an overly bureaucratic joke. [[User:Jdphenix|Jdphenix]] ([[User talk:Jdphenix|talk]]) 20:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC) |
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FinishedCycle
After seeing the user's contributions, (like this, this, and this), I am very tempted to just indef them as NOTHERE/NONAZIS. What do you think? Sro23 (talk) 04:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Sro23: love their edit summary at Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Jewish Communists (N Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Jewish Communists ? ?Created page with 'Concerns cited by Doug have been fixed; everything is correct. I believe this deletion request is politically motivated, especially concerning Jewish Bolshevism...' " now moved to "Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Jewish Communists - oh, you've seen it. Anyway, yes. They might appeal and win but even so they'll have to be very careful in the future. Doug Weller talk 07:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing the blocking. I'm sure we can expect incoming complaints of "censorship"...Sro23 (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Black Egyptian hypothesis for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Egyptian hypothesis until a consensus is reached. You have been involved in the Ancient Egyptian race controversy since the beginning - please could you lend a hand if you have the time? Wdford (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Bill Ayers
What is the nature of the protection on the Bill Ayers article? What brought it on? I'm not outraged; I'm trying to understand what is going on as this is an article that I have made minor edit(s) on. I did not find any discussion protection on the 'Talk' page. TIA. Seki1949 (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Seli1949: it's semi-protection, "Semi-protected pages cannot be edited by unregistered users (IP addresses), as well as accounts that are not autoconfirmed (accounts that are at least four days old and have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia) or confirmed.". Discussions rarely take place on talk pages for this, they are either requested at WP:RPP or added at the discretion of Administrators. Doug Weller talk 09:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
It looks like the user FinishedCycle trying to push the Jewish Bolshevism conspiracy theory and that the Nazis are left wing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:List_of_Jewish_Communists
And what somebody else said about this user,
(Confusing Israel's cause with American Jewry in general is a common mistake among antisemites) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_history_of_Jewish_Americans&diff=989293926&oldid=989242367
They also did this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georgy_Arbatov&diff=1001684192&oldid=1001017733.78.97.16.58
78.97.16.58 (talk) 04:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Clearly, just because someone may have Jewish heritage that does not make them a Jew. I considered my grandmother a Jew. She read us the Torah every day and maintained most, if not all, of the rituals and ceremonies found there. Her mother was a Jew who escaped Germany at the beginning of World War 2. My great-grandfather did not make it out of Germany and reportedly died in a work camp outside Munich. I am not a Jew. I have Jewish heritage. I identify more as Cherokee and that is where I am a registered citizen. Still, I do not call myself Cherokee, only that I have Cherokee ancestry and identify more with that ancestry. None of my beliefs should be misconstrued as necessarily beliefs of either my Cherokee or Jewish ancestors. That is what makes lists like these problematic. It's not like a list of Jewish baseball or football players. There is a difference between historical Jewish beliefs and simply being a Jew because your ancestors came from Israel or that region. The same can be said for the Cherokee. There is a difference in historical Cherokee beliefs and being a Cherokee because your ancestors were Cherokee. --ARoseWolf 16:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
FinishedCycle
You're already aware of this editor, siince you nominated their Draft:List of Jewish Communists for deletion. Take a look at the evidence of other problematic edits on my talk page here. Liz also deleted several of their edits. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I see that the IP who posted on my page has posted here as well. I added some info to it on my TP. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Fascism
The Fascism article is completely biased to the point that Fascism is only a Right-wing thing. By reading definitions of Fascism on other sites, it is clearly not JUST right wing. It is a type of governmental system that can be applied to any political position. To not call Communism Fascism is obviously not accurate. Natzi Germany was Socalist, not right-wing.
Left leaning editors are in danger of turning Wikipedia into a nitch sight if they are allowed to twist the truth. If that is what Wikipedia wants to become, so be it. It will not be used by half the population, and half the schools in the country. I have found this bias clearly written in many articles. And when I edit them to be more center and accurate, my edits are removed.
I don't know who the "powers that be" are at W, but they need to make a decision if they want to give people complete and unfiltered information, or if they want to be a left-wing instrument of the Fascist Woke Cancel Culture.
As a former and long time donor, I won't donate any more until I begin to see some balance back in their articles. There are MANY online encyclopedias, and it's not hard to find and recommend another one that is fairer.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fascism
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
In Poland the anti-Semitic Falanga, led by Boleslaw Piasecki, was influential but was unable to overthrow the conservative regime of Józef Piłsudski. Vihtori Kosola’s Lapua Movement in Finland nearly staged a coup in 1932 but was checked by conservatives backed by the army.
The Arrow Cross Party (Nyilaskeresztes Párt) in Hungary, led by Ferenc Szálasi, was suppressed by the conservative regime of Miklós Horthy until 1944, when Szálasi was made a puppet ruler under the German occupation.
Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstanzey (talk • contribs) 17:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page gnome) Maybe helpful would be to read on National Socialism that other than by name has little to do with other forms of socialism (i.e. Marxist), —PaleoNeonate – 19:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Jstanzey: the Nazis were capitalists. See for example Krupp#World War II and this: The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists The Democratic Republic of Korea is a dictatorship. Doug Weller talk 16:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Jstanzey: - if you want to change an article, use its talk page. I don't need more nonsense on my talk page, or insults. Doug Weller talk 17:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Jstanzey: the Nazis were capitalists. See for example Krupp#World War II and this: The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists The Democratic Republic of Korea is a dictatorship. Doug Weller talk 16:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not understanding your revert here. Whether Sina founded FFI is not in dispute. But how does the fact Person A founded Organization X (FFI) prove that he also founded Organization Y (WikiIslam)? Snuish2 (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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Help needed - third opinion, admin/op attention - dispute, unusual behavior / harrassment - general advice
Hello Doug, I hope I'm doing this right.
The last few days have been quite - how to put it - something, and I think I need some consultation from third party users and/or someone "higher up". I'll try to keep it as short and accurate as possible, but it is my view of course. I'd like your general advisement, and whether I should file reports and/or appeal, and/or request for comments/third opinion to a larger audience.
I'm experiencing quite unusual/suspect behavior from select users, and I would even call it harassment. I feel like I'm willfully being singled out, threatened with bans and other disciplinary sanctions, and feel intimidated. I also feel that these users expect me to do everything within a few hours, if not more or less immediately. I have free-time, but not that much. Right now being on Wikipedia is basically like a 60-hour-a-week job for me, in the sense of how much I need to deal with at this pace (today I've dealt with this almost non-stop the last 9 hours). I feel that every time I make a good point, a good argument and or demonstrate (their) fallacies, then I'm only being retaliated against with how I (allegedly) violate policies or violate my subject-ban. In my honest view, I get little-to-no fair and reasonable counter-arguments. I feel that if I step out of line by a nanometer I get a knife to my throat.
I also want to say that I am intending to contribute on non-controversial/less-heated subjects (and have done so, actually), but in line with what I said above, this right now is like a 60-hour job, and I don't want to miss out/be blocked out from the section I started. I fear some of the users in question want it gone ASAP because they don't like it, and especially my participation too.
The last few days, pretty much at the time when you posted that notice on my talk page or so, I wrote on M. Greene's talk page, and contested (and wanted to discuss), just like multiple other people on the talk page, whether it's fair to label M. Greene as a "conspiracy theorist". That was not met with warm welcomes, and I find that the select (opposing) users in question were (and are) overly aggressive, unfair, actively seek the slightest mistake I (could) make and are (somewhat) stonewalling me. It has been my concern for a long time that Wikipedia uses the label "conspiracy theory" (like most other people and institutions) as if everything was perfectly fine with the term/label, when there's everything wrong with it. There's nothing new in that. This is a genuine concern of mine, and I have the best of intentions.
The section on the M. Greene talk page where I posted my most - if I absolutely have to say so myself - hardhitting and difficult-to-get-around-points, suddenly got closed with little-to-no response or argumentation in that section. Instead an ANI was filed (link is from archive), and I was singled out and the users in question speculated that there was Qanon mob wave incoming (a conspiracy theory, you might say, ironically). That ANI got closed real fast too, pretty much as soon as I posted my side of the dispute and provided a few arguments/comments. Allegedly, suddenly the "disruption", i.e. my arguments in the section on the talk page for M. Greene, was "gone" (time diff. between opening that ANI and closing the section on M. Greene is 5 hours and 10 minutes) and that was apparently enough for the ANI post itself to become closed. Obviously the "disruptions" stop when the section is closed. I post on the M. Greene talk page, which gets closed, then I respond on the ANI section as per insinuating request, which also get closed. It's difficult to stay in place when the very sections I'm in gets closed. After that, which is today, I woke up to a ban on editing about post-1993 US politics. I'm considering appealing this ban, since I don't think there's sufficient reason. However, I will abide by the sanction while it's there, to my best of abilities. Today I've also been confronted with several comments/confrontations on my own talk page, e.g. statements that say my "advocacy on WP is not successful" and accusations of forumshopping and comments like "It does not matter if your concern is genuine", and have to explain myself and give my personal opinions on M. Greene (as if that mattered). My account is being labelled as a single-purpose account (ANI post) even when there's, in my opinion, evidence to the contrary.
I feel I'm being outright assaulted for the slightest minor error I make, them actively surveiling me to the extreme, while other users can lavishly engage in ad hominem arguments and violations of policies without warning or reprimands like I'm subjected to. Now, I'm not saying I'm an angel, or that I didn't/don't make mistakes and learn the hard way. But I feel these - how to put it - assualts or special up-close-breathing-down-my-neck-kind-of-attention is not because the users in question are concerned about me wrecking everything, but because I make strong arguments and valid points they don't like and can't reason against. Of course, that's my view, and I hope you will take a look at it all.
I was being bold. I could have used Wikipedia's nuke, but I didn't. I could easily have engaged myself in even more controversial/heated subjects - easily - but I didn't, many of my recent contributions are quite fair and withholding. I have had my account for more than 11 years, and I've made other non-political and non-controversial contributions. If I need to prove my best of intentions, e.g. by avoiding contributing in controversial or heated subjects, or post-1993 US politics, or contribute in trivial areas, or whatever, then I'm very open to settling on something. I can refrain from posting about very heated/contested stuff as we could settle on (even if we disregarded my subject ban). But I seriously think there's more to it than this, for these few select users.
Involved users (who I feel are/were antagonizing/harrassing me/treating me unduly): Slatersteven, PaleoNeonate, Guy Macon, Newimpartiala
Involved users (who I don't feel are/were antagonizing/harrassing me/treating me unduly: Jdphenix, El_C
(a) NewImpartial has only been - how to put it - unfair and sour against me in the discussion on "conspiracy theory" as a value-laden contentious label. Also please note that it was El_C who subject-banned me, but he/she has not (to my recollection) treated me like the users Slatersteven et al., and I have thus not listed El_C with them.
The relevant pages:
My talk page - M. Greene section - ANI section - discussion on "conspiracy theory"
Some points of relevant interest:
Not all users are breathing down my neck and assult me with sanctions, to the contrary: "I'm more or less in the same boat as Lukan27"..."My behavior is at least as annoying as Lukan's and at the risk of WP:BOOMERANG, I'm not topic banned or blocked. No one's even warned me.", "They are clearly value laden as they are terms"..., "I question the utility of such labels, in that they have the potential to be cynically misapplied for nefarious purposes."...
Slatersteven says this is mentioning "an AP2 topic", but I was merely replying and objecting to his statement that I only started that section as a consequence of what happened on the M. Greene talk page, not to talk about post-1993 US politics.
This is apparantly okay to write but me replying to it (can't find the specific edit: "Do you care to explain why you add this small comment without signing?"...) (which also got the very same comment from IHateAccounts!) is apparantly not okay and I get this on my talk page, but IHateAccounts doesn't get a single comment or reprimand at all.. Please note that this user has also been blocked for sockpupetting, and also please review IHateAccounts's general history which is nothing else but talking about highly political and controversial/heated subjects. For comparison I can't make the slightest mistake, but an account like this can't engage lavishly in dubious behavior.
I have probably forgotten something, but I gotta get a break from Wikipedia now. Please ask if you have questions for me. Thank you for your time. Lukan27 (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have no wish to derail your talk page but note that this was not a reply to me, and was posted after I had suggested they tread carefully over the TBAN.Slatersteven (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note as well they are TBAN'ed from AP2, the above thus constitutes a violation of that ban.Slatersteven (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Response from jdphenix
I'll just summarize my thoughts.
- I generally agree with the assertion that Lukan27 is in violation of WP:TBAN for the diff that Slatersteven posted above. I find myself annoyed with that conclusion, but the policy is clear.
- I *personally* feel that the diff in question was practically bait, as it was a response to an argument that seemed to dismiss the discussion on the basis of how it came about. Lukan27's edit is only a violation because they confirmed part of Guy Macon's argument; that they had posted at MOS after the Greene talk page.
- I don't agree that posting here is a violation, but merely a procedural error. See WP:UNBAN and Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Appeals_and_modifications. Options for Lukan27 for a next course of action are clearly laid out.
- I agree with the assertion that my own personal behavior in this topic area is comparable to Lukan27's. As such, I've decided to treat myself as topic banned from AmPol and COVID-19 until I can not act like an idiot, as of this edit. Anyone looking over my edit history the past month can see that I've been hotheaded and spent too much damn time here.
- Based on this post and others pointed out, I do not believe the TBAN should be removed at this time.
- To Lukan27 specifically, COVID-19 is just as contentious. Trust me on that one. Just take a break. There's no reason to spend so much time on a volunteer effort. You and I both need to heed the advice here. Where you're standing, you're going to end up getting blocked from editing altogether.
This entire process almost seems like an overly bureaucratic joke. Jdphenix (talk) 20:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)