Talk:Manchester United F.C.

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Nathan Bishop has been given the squad number 30 after his move from Southend United.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-utd-news-bishop-number-17727183

Inclusion of three UEFA trophies in separate years as a 'treble'

While it is clearly a noteworthy fact that Manchester United are the only team to win all three UEFA competitions, certainly worthy of mention in the relevant section of the article, there is no justification for its inclusion as a 'treble' in the Doubles and Trebles section of the article; it is not a treble. I removed the 'treble' from the section with an explanation in this edit, before it was re-added by another editor.

A treble is clearly defined as "when a club team wins three trophies in a single season" excluding exceedingly short competitions such as Community Shields, Super Cups etc. To redefine winning three UEFA competitions across different years as a treble is clearly puffery, and, given the already extraordinary list of achievements of the club (more trophies than any other), I really don't understand the need to overstate achievements by warping clear definitions to claim some 'extra' level of achievement that simply isn't recognised as a treble. —Formulaonewiki 18:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not "puffery" though. UEFA has referred to the accomplishment as a treble (see here). If you want to find somewhere else to put it in the Honours section, be my guest, but I object to it being removed outright. – PeeJay 18:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The only reference in that article to the achievement of winning all three competitions as being a treble is as follows "By that time, [Bayern] had already completed their European 'treble' with a two-legged defeat of FC Girondins de Bordeaux in the UEFA Cup showpiece". The inverted commas around 'treble', and the fact that is the only explicit reference in that article to the feat being defined as such, clearly indicates it was described as such in a tongue-in-cheek manner, and this is no basis to override the widely-accepted definition of a treble as being three trophies in the same year. —Formulaonewiki 18:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

]wiki 18:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The use of the inverted commas does not suggest it was tongue in cheek, unless you are also suggesting at the start of the 1970s" is also being tongue in cheek. Instead it is more likely to attribute emphasis to the naming of the convs any basis to overhaul an age-old definition of a treble as being three trophies in the same year. Context is important to the use of the inverted commas, and I disagree that the use of them around 'total football' isI fail to see how a passing mention of the word 'treble' in an article defies conventional definitions. For example, articles such as this popularly claim that Liverpool achieved an 'international treble'; this clearly doesn't provide a basis to start redefining the term treble as including Super cups etc. —Formulaonewiki 19:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

You can disagree all you like, but without you inserting your opinion on what the writer intended with the inverted commas it doesn't stand as an argument. There is also no formal definition of "treble" either. There is a colloquial one, but as per any such list it is full of personal bias, club bias, national bias, league and trophy bias. Which ones count, which ones don't, is it in one calendar year, or is it in one annual year, or "season" (which is problematic with the Nordic leagues for instance) bla bla bla. In effect, if someone says "this was a treble" in a reliable source that can be attributed to then it really doesn't matter because you'll struggle to find any single authoritative source on what is a formal definition. Our own article on the matter lacks any single source attributing the meaning Treble (association football) and is a massive case of WP:SYNTH and Original Research. Koncorde (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Squad numbers- Academy players

I do not see why we have u23s/u18s on this page as they have their own dedicated page. All U23/U18 players have squad numbers so in theory all players need to be added to this page. Which would over load the system, surely it is better to keep 1st team players only on here and use the reserves/academy page for these players 5.198.42.106 (talk) 15:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

They don't all have squad numbers. They have numbers they wear on their training kit that happen to match with their squad numbers (for those who have been registered for competitions), but they don't all have squad numbers. Having this list here is useful to indicate players who aren't considered part of the first team but who have played the odd senior game. – PeeJay 18:26, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned only the players that have been included in the first-team games, like it was in the last season. There were players who played in EFL Trophy, but only players that played for the first team were included in that list. BORNinOHRIDmacedonia (talk) 21:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

These are the players registered to play for the season at [https