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Honestly cannot work out how to get Oceania out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_in_Indonesian_sport - Indonesia is in Asia/Southeast Asia - and not Oceania - I must apologise, I cannot see how to get Oceania out of the template that you used - it would be appreciated if you could give a clue - thanks. I will ask elsewhere as well, as I have had issue with other inclusive templates where dubious associations have been ascribed as well, so no problems either way... JarrahTree 10:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Nah, I'll leave it for the moment, sorry to have bothered... JarrahTree 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: see the first para of Indonesia: ndonesia is a country in Southeast Asia and Oceania. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Esports team logos

A tag has been placed on Category:Esports team logos requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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British MP categories

Hello, BHG. It's been a while. While doing some recent work on Lord Lonsdale's ninepins, I noticed that Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies by constituency, Category:Members of the Parliament of Great Britain for English constituencies are incompletely and incoherently split up by (traditional) county. As the obviously best-qualified person to ask, do you think it would be worth the effort to continue breaking the GB and perhaps the UK category up by county? Choess (talk) 03:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

unexplained revert?

Re - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_in_Indonesian_sport The question was in a talk page message above, I have not had a message from anyone as to why or how Indonesia is claimed to be in oceania, and how the 'template' that you use can be queried, I would be only too pleased to receive a message as to why such an occurrence is inflicted on Indonesian sport... JarrahTree 00:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: the template's results are correct. See the first para of Indonesia: Indonesia is a country in Southeast Asia and Oceania. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply - this brings back memories of the editing climate of ten years ago - the chances of getting that qualified and established unharrassed is like, well, it is fundamentally incorrect in many ways, which makes editing eastern indonesia material problematic due to the varying geographical and political domainsbut I can see the issue of melanesia and oceania of western new guinea gave the earlier editors and excuse. bit like the indian ocean being on the shores of tasmania, or one of the previous american presidents superb border relations between canada and mexico have never been better... hmmm... JarrahTree 00:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@JarrahTree, I am not very pleased with how this has gone.

I wasn't around when you posted your previous message on my talk, and I only caught up with this issue when I was catching up on old notifications and undid[1] your revert[2].

First, your revert should have included an edit summary explaining why you reverted.

Secondly, a quick check would have shown you that all the other "YYYY in Indonesian sport" categories are also in both Asia and Oceania, so there was no reason to make 2010 an exception. Worse, by removing the template from 2010, you ensured that changes to the template would no longer update that page.

Thirdly, before you reverted, why didn't you check the head article Indonesia?

Per WP:CENT, discussion about this should be centralised, probably at Talk:Indonesia.

I am surprised that an experienced editor like you is going about this in such an odd way. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for the disruption, of course you are correct at every turn above. Indonesia project is moribund to say the least. There is really nowhere the issue could have been adequately discussed, as the Wallace Line really trumps the issue. The curiosity as to a number of issues were not spelt out anywhere, and you are quite right to be annoyed. There wont be anything like that again, and thanks for your accomodation and outline of my misdemeanours. Experience and comprehension of procedural correctness is quite a different discussion. JarrahTree 01:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

A cake for you

You are a great! DrSalvus (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Lahore articles by quality has been nominated for discussion

Category:Lahore articles by quality has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Years in Sikkim

Category:Years of the 20th century in Sikkim redirects to Category:20th century in Sikkim but Template:Year in country category is ludicrously complicated making it hard to see where to apply the fix. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Timrollpickering

Template:Year in country category is necessarily complex to accommodate name changes and colonies/decolonisation. The complexity is justified to allow its simple use in 37,597 transclusions. However, my invention of {{Resolve category redirect}} will allow me to radically simplify it one of these days.

As to this particular case, I have fixed it in these two edits:[3], [4]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

category Mysore state

Hi! Mysore state is the old term.. It is now just Mysore district. Vikram Vincent 13:06, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@Vikram Vincent, yes it's the old name, and in this it is the correct name. The category is called Category:1969 establishments in Mysore State, because taht was the name in use in 1969. So I have restored[5] Christ University to Category:1969 establishments in Mysore State.

See Category:Establishments in Karnataka by year, which uses Mysore until the name change in 1973. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

LoL Mysore still exists :-) It is around 100+km from this institution's location. The reorganisation of States took place in 1956. Vikram Vincent 13:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Utterly wrong, @Vikram Vincent.

Mysore State was renamed in 1973 to Karnataka. It does not exist as a separate entity. You appear to be confusing the state with Mysore district.

And when engaging in a collegial discussion, please refrain from LOLing.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@Vikram Vincent: Thanks you for striking the LOL.[6] But the only thing which is "genuinely funny" is your stubborn refual to recognise two very simple facts:

1. that in 1969, the state was called Mysore State
2. that Mysore State is not the same thing as Mysore district.

However, your decision to pursue your delusion in 3 different venues is not funny at all. It is disruptve timewasting. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Closing the discussion here since you removing India related categories has wide spread ramification. Vikram Vincent 14:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is no place for humour. Everything is very serious here and we are all terrifically important. 18:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

BTW I am thankful for all the great work you are doing since I do see it in several of the pages Ive watchlisted over the one and half decades :-) Best! Vikram Vincent 18:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that, @Vikram Vincent. But I have to say that your disruptive forum-shopping across 4 venues is a very perverse way of showing that thankfulness. This could all have been handled much more quickly and easily in one venue if you had simply continued dialogue rather than repeatedly opening yet another discussion based on yet another of your misunderstandings, before I had time to write the reply which explained it.

I am sure that you mean well, but your approach to dialogue is highly disruptive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:1969 establishments in Mysore State has been nominated for deletion

Category:1969 establishments in Mysore State has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Vikram Vincent 13:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Request

It will be very much helpful if you translate the article Indian Institute of Science Education and Research Berhampur in other international language you know. You can also tell your friends to translate it into other languages. You can use Google translate to easily understand the contents from odia and Assamese language in this article. **Using these things (translated version of odia this is available in g translate) you can also expand the English article on this topic.** Please translate plz plz Thank you ଲେଖକ (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@ଲେଖକ, that's a great idea. Why don't you do it? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

If possible you can translate the contents in other languages. I will try to do it in English. If possible you can try in any other languages you are familiar with. ଲେଖକ (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@ଲେଖକ: I have no ability to do so, and no interest in doing ao. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok no problem. Thank you. ଲେଖକ (talk) 03:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Cyprus–Turkey relations category

Hello, I'm having trouble fixing the Cyprus–Turkey relations category page. For some reason, the map of the two countries highlighted doesn't show up and the main cat description still remains even though I removed the main category template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi WikiCleanerMan

The map won't be displayed unless it exists. Feel free to create one if you like.

As to the rest, I am not sure what you are trying to achieve. The template {{Foo–Bar relations category}} does everything that's needed in nearly all cases. In this case, I have removed[7] everything except the template. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

It didn't occur to me that the categories were already there prior to my edit. That was the issue. Thanks. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Archbishops of Cardiff has been nominated for renaming

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Category:Washington, D.C. sport-related lists has been nominated for renaming

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Question about Korean categories

Hello, BHG,

You know more about categories than anyone so I thought I'd bring this category conflict to you, because you'll know what to do. Editor Yinweiaiqing has been very active lately, creating historical categories for mostly Korean, but also some Chinese, occupational categories. This has resulted in a lot of parent categories showing up on Special:WantedCategories list the past week.

So, I've been creating parent categories for these Korean calligraphers, mathematicians and artists, no problem, until I get to Category:Korean people by century and occupation. You'll see that Yinweiaiqing has been classifying nationality as "Korean" while previous category creators have labeled it "South Korean". Now we have Category:Korean people by century and occupation and Category:South Korean people by century and occupation.

I think I will have to change the subcategories in Category:21st-century Korean people by occupation to Category:21st-century South Korean people by occupation but what should be done with the 20th century ones when Korea was separated into North and South Korea in the 1950s? Should we have Category:20th-century Korean people by occupation or Category:20th-century South Korean people by occupation? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz

I think that for every category which applies post-partition, the solution is to have a "Category:Foo in Korea" with subcats "Category:Foo in North Korea" and "Category:Foo in South Korea". That's what we did in Ireland, and it works well: see WP:IRE-CATS.

So in the example you give, Category:20th-century South Korean people by occupation should exist and be a subcat of Category:20th-century Korean people by occupation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

If I'm reading WP:IRE-CATS correctly, this means we should keep 21st-century Korean people categories as well. This gets into a political question because, as far as I am informed, Korean people think of the North/South division to be a political one but that "Korean" culture and history encompasses both countries. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you have already tackled some these categories which is appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, yes I have done quite a few over the years. And yes, keep 21st-century Korean people categories as well.

It's a political/cultural/historical issue, and the advantage of the WP:IRE-CATS stype of structure is that it respects all POVs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Move to commons

Hi, hope you are doing well! File:Brig.Gen.SiddiqSalik.jpg should be moved to commons since it is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License. It was wrongly/mistakenly attributed. I have updated its current status per publisher/author's content policy [8]. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheBirdsShedTears, why are you telling me this? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that you are well aware of the policies. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe, but I rarely do much work with images, and I have no interest in that one. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

New branch on category tree

Hey, BHG,

While I'm bothering you, what do you think of this new branch on the Schools category tree, Category:Schools by type by country? Could be useful or redundant, I'm not sure. It's difficult with any "by country" new category system as there are so many countries that then need to be looked at and categorized. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Liz, I think that Rangasyd's creation of Category:Schools by type by country is handy way of cleaning up Category:Schools by type, which was otherwise an unhelpful mix of difft types of attribute. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Lol

Lamao kucch bhi :( Mr. Intelligent disrespect 1000 (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)huh

Sankey Collection

Hi, You have improved one or two of my articles in the past, this one has fallen foul of the deletionists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Sankey_Family_Photography_Collection Is there any chance of improving it or even releasing it into article space? There are a lot of Sankey photographs already on Wikipedia and it would be good to show the origins of them. Peterrivington (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Peterrivington, phrases like fallen foul of the deletionists are a very good way to lose my attention. They usually mean that the creator is annoyed that WP:GNG applies to their work, as it does to everyone else's.

In this case, I see no sign of any deletion tags being applied to Draft:The Sankey Family Photography Collection, so the statement is plain false. What I do see is the removal[9] by User:I dream of horses of several wholly-unreferenced sections. I'd have preferred to tag those sections with {{unreferenced section}}, but that's a minor issue: the core point is that this content is wholly unreferenced, and IDOH was right to take action.

@Peterrivington, I am sure you have good intentions, but the way you are going about this is all wrong. The best way to proceed is to:

1. check whether "The Sankey Family Photography Collection" meets WP:GNG, i.e. has it received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject?.
   If he answer is "yes", then list those sources. If "no", then there should be no article.
2. Re-write the article, from scratch, adding properly-formatted a reference for every fact.

Hope this helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hello BrownHairedGirl, I haven't made any edits on this page. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinvidia (talk • contribs) 10:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that clerical error, @Kinvidia. I made a clipboard mistake creating the edit summary. I saw it as I saved the page, but by then it was to late to fix it.

I hope that you also saw my ping on the page(s) where it was you who had left the page in a non-existent category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

That's fine BrownHairedGirl. I saw the ping on the page making reference to the non existent categories I added as well and I want to thank you for that (I'm not sure I thanked you earlier for the corrections made). Have a wonderful day. Kinvidia (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion of Disabling Categories in Draft

Hi BrownHairedGirl. I saw the edits that you made on my sandbox and I appreciate them, but since I submitted the Margaret G. Hays from my second sandbox, I just made the changes you suggested on that page. Thank you for the suggestion. Sometimes the end is only the beginning... (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, User:SailorAlphaCentauri. That helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

No, thank you, User:BrownHairedGirl. While I've been low-key editing for years, I'm really really new to working on articles. Sometimes the end is only the beginning... (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Noshery

Hi BrownHairedGirl. Thanks for your help...

LewisEisen (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Victor Yan

enough already --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Please do not reverse a correct collaboration. Check out the discussion session to which I presented the sources of the information and also check out the source linked to the changed information. The player in question gave an interview to the local newspaper telling his story and telling which neighborhood in the city he was born and raised in. There is no official document linked to the article, being that, therefore, the most reliable source. The source is in Portuguese, but I believe that in 2021 this will no longer be a problem in the virtual world, Google itself translates the article. . --Alex Cambraia (talk) 17:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Cambraia, see WP:REDNOT. Please stop adding articles to non-existent categories. Then I will stop reverting your edits.

You have now been notified of this many times. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl Only one of the categories was listed in red. Wouldn't it be more productive and less misleading just to remove a non-existent category that was already linked to the source than to reverse a correct collaboration and leave false information in the text? --Alex Cambraia (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Cambraia, the most productive and collaborative thing would be for you to stop placing articles in non-existent categories. Then the articles won't show up in cleanup lists, and I won't revert. Please stop making work for others. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl Ok milady, I understand your point of view: spreading false information is less important and harmful than leaving an empty link for a potential new category. Right! Perfect! I'll do it your way, no problem. --Alex Cambraia (talk) 18:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Cambraia, stay off my talk page. I have spent lots of my time cleaning up after you (with an explanation on each occasion), and lots more explaining the problem ... but since your response is sarcstic trolling, please get lost. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

User:PamD/WRC

Ah, sorry about that - someone userfied it for me at my request after they'd speedy-deleted it, and I haven't got round to doing anything with it yet! PamD 20:29, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

No prob, PamD. It's a quick click to fix it with the script. I am more than half way through a backlog of nearly 800 userpages in content cats.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

:Categories

Hi thanks for noticing and correcting the live categories at my draft of Joseph Beecham‬. I am normally very careful about making [[:Categories and not [[Categories: - I think I've only done it once or twice in 12 years. I really should get on and finish the article. That makes me your April Fool for this year. Best wishes, >MinorProphet (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for being so nice about it, @MinorProphet. It's an easily overlooked issue. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Digital Markets Act

Hello!

Thank you for your suggestions! I modified the draft. I hope that everything is fine now. Please let us know whether other sections of our article on the Digital Markets Act should be improved.

Ana.Rusu.97 (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl

Hi there, thanks for your help... I am a total noob on Wikipedia (I'm sure you know this already) I dont even know if this is the right way to discuss with you, but sick is life... So as I said thanks for the help, 2 things how did you even see my draft, I thought it was saved to my profile as a work in progress... nothing to hide as such, but mind blown... point and you knew this was coming right I didn't really understand your instruction and did you make the edit? Because it doesnt look any different to what you advised. As I say it's just a draft that I'm working on, I don't know anyone could see it but you help is most welcome. Hope I havent posted this message in the wrong place. Guess I will find out Nick M Rivers (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, @Nick M Rivers:, see also my answer to #Roger Pryke below. I think the following explanation is correct, but I may be wrong. I'm sure I will be corrected.

Whenever anyone saves any live article / draft / sandbox which contains at least one [[Category:]], this automatically and by default creates a live link to your draft article in one or more category lists in Wikipedia mainspace. For example, if your draft has the entry [[Category:1825 births]], clicking 'Publish' will make a link to the live list Category:1825 births.

Although this is what the underlying software is programmed to do in all cases, it doesn't look professional to have un-approved drafts looking as if they were proper live articles. The quick and dirty fix is to put a : immediately preceding the category, such as [[:Category:1825 births]] : this temporarily prevents your draft appearing in the mainspace lists and makes it look and behave like an ordinary Wikilink. If there is no colon, the underlying software also creates a behind-the-scenes list of something like "User Drafts linking to Category pages" (I don't actually know). See WP:USERNOCAT.

User:BrownHairedGirl has been running through this list and adding colons as shown above with a script, without too much explanation for new editors. The whole procedure (I personally feel) is the fault of Wikipedia administrators and software maintainers, who could very easily exempt such pages with a line or two of code, (e.g. IF [user draft] OR IF [sandbox] THEN LINK=NO], (I might be wrong) but it has been like this for something like twelve years. I don't know why. Anyway, if and when your article goes live in mainspace, just delete the initial colon for each category, make an edit summary like "Making categories live" and click 'Publish' again. Your approved mainspace article will now be linked to the live list of all people born in 1825. This may happen 'automatically' anyway, depending on which process you choose to submit your draft. MinorProphet (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@MinorProphet Thank you makes absolute sense, I just jumped right in and got started by copying and pasting an already live page into my Sandbox, so as you mention the categories would have been live. The work around is cool too, I will need to update them to be relevant to the piece anyway but hadnt realised there significance, which you explain above :-) Thanks again

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Thanks for your suggestion to comment out categories on my draft page Spncrinc (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Jewels

Just had a quick glance at your user page: I also have my own collection of gems. PS Thinking about the mythical Grainne, I remember reading Rosemary Sutcliffe's The High Deeds of Finn MacCool (published only a few years after JFK was shot), and although many have kissed the Cloch na Blarnan I once (having been gifted at my birth with the silver tongue) made my way to Cnoc na Teamhrach and kissed the Lia Fáil instead. And here I am on WP... MinorProphet (talk) 23:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Someone who has kissed both is surely of higher standing than a MinorProphet. Upgrade that username!

I enjoyed your quote list. I only wish that I had captured more of the gems I read over the last 15 years. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Well actually, I created my username under the impression that Jeremiah (yup, that's almost my name) was to be counted with the likes of Jonah, Malachi, et al. Imagine my surprise when I realised that I was in fact best mates with Daniel, Ezekiel and the exalted Isaiah (at least from Ch. 40...). Incidentally, you are not the first person to suggest a name change, but I worry that MajorProphet would be full of doom and gloom like my namesake, or appear to be bigging myself up a bit too much (although you would probably guess that my real name wasn't Habakkuk), or even completely to be avoided. I would tend to be much more ready to say "Well, I told you so..." On the other hand, I might get some draft articles finished... MinorProphet (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, @MinorProphet, I think that Habakkuk was a great dude. Mystery backstory, and a cook who fed Daniel. What's not to like? (Apart from the fact that introductions could get tedious, and you might end up like another man with an unusual name). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

Lol, as they say. My dad was a lawyer, so preparations for 'suing' someone is home ground for me. I really had no idea that Mr. H. Kuk and Dan the Man even knew each other. Just one of those things I guess, one of those biblical flings. But now it's getting late. MinorProphet (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Roger Pryke

Thank you for your correction/suggestion. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gladiator-Citizen/sandbox - never done that well with Categories - I do not understand your correction, but I appreciate it, and will follow it for other categories. Could you direct me to a precise reference which I could study and would help me understand. Much thanks again.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, @Gladiator-Citizen: Whenever you click 'Publish' in a sandbox or draft article which contains one or more [[Categories: towards the end, it places a link to your sandbox/draft article into a live listing on Wikipedia, such as (just for example) Category:British artists. As far as I know, this is a failing of Wikipedia's underlying software rather than anything you have done. WP is complex, and telling new editors about this small problem hasn't been adequately addressed. Since the content of sandboxes, drafts etc. hasn't yet been approved for main article space, and 'we' don't want ordinary users of WP thinking that your sandbox is has been fully approved, placing a : before the category e.g. [[:Category:British artists]] simply prevents this happening. If and when your article goes live, all you you need to do is remove the initial colon, and your article will be part of the behind-the-scenes listings of all articles referring (if only in part) to British artists. You could try using {{Draft categories}} but it seems like piling on another level of incomprehension to me. See also Help:Category and Preparing drafts. Best of luck. MinorProphet (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much MinorProphet - very much appreciate your time and information - I will keep trying to understand - I am now quite exhausted from finishing the article but my energy will come back! 118.127.122.147 (talk) 09:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft page categorization

Hi,

Thanks for catching that. I normally mask the category for my draft pages till they go live, but I seem to have missed that in haste. Mea culpa. Thank you. Appreciate it. Arunram (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I Have a Question

Hey, My Question is Why is your User Page section Administration ship Cut off Muhammad Furqan Butt (talk) 16:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Because Arbcom went on a rampage and desysopped me. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Link, perhaps? I'm just imagining ArbCom as a violent Communist Workers collective in the Philippines armed with machetes and billhooks, burning canefields and massacring the blameless officials whose families have been taken hostage by the ruling junta to ensure tax-gathering compliance. MinorProphet (talk) 21:54, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@MinorProphet & @Muhammad Furqan Butt: see User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive_057#Statement_by_BHG_on_the_ArbCom_decision.

No machetes, but lots of foul play. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

Moral: always be civil: being uncivil can be construed as a primary crime on WP: see The Execution of Mata Hari from linked discussion. If you can't be civil (and it's one of the very hardest things to do when eg tired and emotional), step away. I'm glad you're still here, I would rather spend 10,000 words in improving an article than in my own defence. I suggest you remove your heart-felt complaints on your user page and carry on improving WP. Arbcom doesn't care, your supporters agree anyway, and it's unsettling for new users. With best wishes, MinorProphet (talk) 23:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but I disagree about that interpretation of civility. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, that's what it said at the top of the link. Sorry if I misunderstood. I wasn't being aggressive. I have scrolled through too many "yes you did, no I didn't" complaints procedures to take much interest. On the other hand, I know what it's like to be swift and merciless with little time to waste. But if you end up calling other editors 'liars', well, "I told you so..." PS Habbakuk has messaged me, suggesting we turn up at his for a pot of stew. Angels will transport us if no car. MinorProphet (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)