Talk:CNN

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2021

Can I add an edit saying that CNN is a liberal news network channel because other news channels as fox news etc. are labeled conservative channels except for the ones that are liberal. CB30303 (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

No, you may not. To repeat what I stated in an earlier discussion on the same subject, Fox News, OANN, and a handful of other fringe media are the outliers, thus they are characterized as "conservative", "far-right", etc...to denote their unusualness within the larger media realm. The Wikipedia notes that Barack Obama was a black president. The Wikipedia does not note that Millard Fillmore was a white president. ValarianB (talk) 19:12, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

You sure can — if you have reliable sources saying they are. soibangla (talk) 19:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing has never really been the issue here. ValarianB (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, Mr. CB30303, you created your account and then 3 minutes later came to make this edit request as your very first edit. Curious timing, as there is a user named @Chimichangazzz: who is trying to make the same type of edit, and is being rebuffed. What attracted to you come to this article at this moment? Is there perhaps a web forum, social media thread, etc...? ValarianB (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

This is WP:SNOWBALL. It's been brought up so many times by the same few people and their potential sock puppets and the consensus has been clear from all the other discussion. It's time to accept the existing consensus and move on. It beats the point of consensus (and honestly, it's kind of disrespectful to other editors' time) to keep bringing up the same thing without any significant changes in the subject.— Starforce¹³ 19:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

NPOV and Advertising

The intro of this article is very self-aggrandizing and does not show NPOV. The second paragraph currently reads as:

"As of September 2018, CNN has 90.1 million television households as subscribers (97.7% of households with cable) in the United States.[12] In 2019, CNN ranked third in viewership among cable news networks, behind Fox News and MSNBC, averaging 972,000 viewers.[13] CNN ranks 14th among all basic cable networks.[14][15]"

I recommend that this information should be placed in a chart under a "Historical Viewership" section. Viewership and membership change constantly and a snapshot of CNNs high ratings/viewership should not define what CNN is in the intro of this page. One example of changes in viewership number is in the year 2021, CNN took a nosedive in viewership which has been notable after the presidential election of the year prior.12.227.66.34 (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

So...update it to the 2021 numbers. ValarianB (talk) 19:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

....You seem to forget that the article is semi protected. Also, I am not good at fancy edits so that is why this has been brought up for discussion. This edit is here until an good wiki editor can implement the change.

The change should not not just update the numbers but would be beneficially to show a yearly chart to show readers full context of CNNs popularity over time.12.227.66.34 (talk) 20:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

CNN is a Far LEFT leaning organization

Wikipedia needs to include the Subject line in their description of CNN that they are a FAR LEFT LEANING organization. Wikipedia is a liberal controlled website and completely unreliable as any source of real factual information. I A

You're going to need a couple very good and reliable sources, then once you have those you'll need to start a discussion to seek consensus. Otherwise your wanted change is never going to remain in the article. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 22:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Precisely. If Wikipedia can justify describing OANN as "far-right" then CNN needs to be described at LEAST as "far-left". What is wrong with you people? Why are you SO obsessed with obscuring the truth and presenting your feelings as facts? Especially in a resource which CLAIMS impartiality and objectivity?! If you're not going to allow honesty, then stop pretending you're any sort of valid source of reliable information; you're anything BUT, Liberalpedia. MarkoOhNo (talk) 13:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

To restore the integrity of Wikipedia, shouldn't we start with CNN?

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I'm guessing the admins and editors of Wikipedia either don't care or are unaware of how they are perceived when NPOV isn't followed. We can all agree that mainstream media is somewhat partisan nowadays, with very few exceptions in print and wire services. So, why can't we all agree to include CNN controversies and honestly describe the left-leaning skew? Don't we want Wikipedia to be a place of equality and neutrality? I propose we add sourcing to describe this to restore this website back to its rightful place of honesty. Curivity (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC) We can all agree that mainstream media is somewhat partisan nowadays..., er, no, we actually don't "all agree" on that. So kindly do not make assumptions regarding the beliefs and opinions of other users. As to CNN controversies, that article is linked to prominently in the 3rd section of the opening section. Finally, for "skew", reality has a well-known liberal bias, as they say. ValarianB (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC) I'm curious who wouldn't view the mainstream media as somewhat partisan at this point in time, and if so, what specifically do they base that conclusion on? And who's "they" who say reality has a liberal bias? If we can't agree on these fundamental issues, I don't think we'll reach a point where the majority feels the editing is equal. Curivity (talk) 05:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC) If you have have an actual suggestion for specific text to be added or removed to the article, feel free to bring that to the table. Otherwise, per WP:NOTAFORUM, we're not going to discuss the media in generalities here. ValarianB (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC) Oh, wait. You're this guy - (Archived Discussion). Do you have anything new to add, or is this just going to be a rehash of that conversation? ValarianB (talk) 12:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC) "the admins and editors of Wikipedia either don't care or are unaware of how they are perceived" As an editor, I don't particularly care for how we are perceived. Wikipedia has been receiving harsh criticisms for all 20 years of its existence, for not toeing the line of whichever ideology its critics are following. Your suggestion translates to making POV edits to articles in order to earn brownie points with whoever thinks that CNN is an American version of the Pravda. This would discard Wikipedia's integrity, not improve it. Dimadick (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC) Your accusations of my intentions being for "brownie points" are purely speculation and untruthful. Just because you refuse to accept the reality of scant internal criticism between news outlets that share similar viewpoints does not bode well for any standard of achieving impartiality. Just because administrators that may understand this and feel similarly can't or will not speak up so as to go against the "group think" that's pervasive in this medium does not equate to the reality underlying the situation. It's easier for you, or anyone, to refuse the allegations that many have put forth, such as; sourcing for Wikipedia articles that describe conservative organizations (Fox News, OANN, etc.) are heavily partisan (Media Matters as an example) and are accepted as standard sourcing. I will be proposing a change to CNN's controversies section and lead section to include new sourcing that describes CNN's outward opinionated coverage soon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/cnn-opinionated-emotional-zucker/2021/05/11/5f32eb38-7f92-11eb-81db-b02f0398f49a_story.html Curivity (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)