Talk:Ireland as a tax haven

Consistent false information

This article - written by Britishfinance - contains consistently false, exaggerated, and distorted information that is used in a political manner to attack Ireland and its corporate tax policy. Whether Ireland's corporate tax regime is right or wrong is certainly up for date; however, it is vitally important to keep to the facts, and that is something that this article simply fails to do. It must also be noted that Britishfinance has made numerous personal attacks against IDA Ireland CEO Mark Shanahan.

I recommend at the very least reading this article with severe reservations. This is an article which frankly does not meet Wikipedia's standards of objectivity, accuracy and integrity. Duke Of Dirty Dancing (talk) 19:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry no one answered before. A problem is that these are sweeping allegations, launched against one of the best-referenced articles I have seen in long years on Wikipedia. I could certainly see scope to grow (and update) the article, and I would consider that some pruning, and reduction of repetition, could be done, but the basics seem solid. Editors also don't attack each other, especially when no evidence of the alleged attacks by an editor on an outside party are provided. SeoR (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for deletion

If this article cannot be edited in a way that is fair and accurate, then I am requesting that it thus be deleted. The false information that the now inactive Britishfinance has disseminated continies to have an impact on the lack of fair and accurate reporting on this site in relation to Ireland's corporate tax policy. Duke Of Dirty Dancing (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Whether Ireland did or did not benefit from significant post-Brexit job moves (in Finance)

A recent edit added an update that (after an inarguably poor initial phase, for various reasons) Ireland eventually gained a decent number of financial services relocations. Two solid (but not outstanding or academic) sources were provided. The only thing is that the reported versions, at least, did not have a clear statement on jobs moved, only on firms (and a move of a firm or unit can involve 1-2 people with a brass plate, or hundreds). A further edit by an IP today (which IP did some other broadly useful editing) partly reversed the above, notably from the lede. Any additional perspective welcome...

Claim that eventually Ireland did benefit:

Source 1 - Dublin is Top Brexit Relocation Spot for Finance Firms, EY Finds / Luxembourg second-most popular place, followed by Frankfurt (Three dozen financial services firms are considering moving some U.K. operations to the Irish capital, or have already done so, the review found. Luxembourg is second, attracting 29 companies in total, followed by Frankfurt, which has drawn 23. Twenty businesses are moving business to Paris, according to EY’s survey of public statements by 222 firms through February. ... EY Financial Services Brexit Tracker: Note: Data derived from public statements made by 222 financial services firm between June 24, 2016 and Feb. 28, 2021)
Source 2 - New Financial (a think tank): More than 400 financial firms in Britain have shifted activities, staff, ... to hubs in the European Union due to Brexit, ... Dublin has emerged as the biggest beneficiary with 135 relocations, followed by Paris with 102, Luxembourg 95, Frankfurt 63, and Amsterdam 48. "We expect Frankfurt will be the 'winner' in terms of assets in the longer-term, and that Paris will ultimately be the biggest beneficiary in terms of jobs," the study said.

References

Wording applied today: Ireland secured no Brexit players from UK financial services (e.g. Goldman, JPM, Merrill), not even a mid-sized US/Japanese player

SeoR (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I think Brexit was not the win Ireland expected in financial services. None of the main non-UK financial services players in London came to Ireland. Only Barclays in Ireland expanded their platform, but they were in Ireland already. All the main US players went to Paris and Frankfurt. The US insurers went to Luxembourg, and traders to Amsterdam and Paris/Frankfurt. Barclays used to run a Brexit tracker that tracked all the main financial services jobs and assets and Dublin featured well down the table. The EY report was misquoted by Irish media. The EY report showed that Frankfurt got most of the assets, and Paris most of the jobs, with Amsterdam a strong second/third. The EY report showed that Ireland got a lot of shell-company type switches last year, but that is because Ireland was the only EU player to enable London based firms to move shell companies easily - no other EU player would allow this. I think you have to take some of these Irish media stories with a healthy skepticism - they feel promotional. If I have time, I will try to update this properly in the article, which I do think deserves proper treatment as it is quite accurate and researched. 46.7.85.200 (talk) 00:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)