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Minor punctuation issue with {{Welcome-retro}}

Twinkle's version of {{welcome-retro}} is missing a period at the end of "Thank you for your contributions" unless the optional "linked article" parameter is specified. —GMX^{(on the go!)} 17:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX (on the go) @PorkchopGMX. Hey there. Thanks for reporting. Can you provide a diff so I have a better idea of what to fix? Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Here's a diff. This is a problem with Template:Welcome-retro. I've made a post on their talk page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX. Should be fixed. Let them know at Template talk:Welcome-retro#Missing period if you see any further issues with this one. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion for improvement

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1520

I am a mobile user and I am using Twinkle. When I warn an editor after rollback, the editors talk page will be open in a new tab. Can you please fix it, open an editors talk page in the same tab, like RedWarn does, TIA. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Ticket created on GitHub. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Please make this an optional (opt-in) setting, I generally do not leave warnings and I do not want to deal with extra unnecessary navigation. If this is going to be mobile-only, then ignore me, as I do not use it. Primefac (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

My request is just simple. After a rollback, automatic open the reverted editors talk page to warn, but in the same tab. Because the current one is, after a rollback, the reverted editors talk page is automatically open to warn, but in another tab. There is no option for the first one I mentioned. That's it. If you are gonna make it as an optional, it's ok. Just add that in Twinkle. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 10:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

If this happens, I'm in the side of opt-in or mobile-only. I often want to return (control-tab or, if I'm feeling dexterous, shift-control-tab) to the main page to check History for related damage if it feels warranted. I'll add this comment to the ticket. David Brooks (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Definitely should be opt in only. Having a seperate tab is WAY easier for keeping track of what I'm doing, but that may just be the ADHD talking trying to stay organized. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 18:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I want the editors talk page will open in the same tab after rollback. Cause what happening now, after rolling back an edit, a notice will show up "Pop-up blocks (always show)", if I don't click the always show, you can't warn the user, and if I click always show, you can warn the user in another tab but chrome will allow pop-ups, which I do not want. I want to warn user but I don't want the Chrome allow pop-ups so that's why I think allowing me to warn user in the same tab after rollback will fix the problem I mentioned above. Using RedWarn, after rolling back, a warn menu will show up, and I can warn the user in the same tab. That is what I want in Twinkle, if you are going to make it as an optional, it's ok. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 00:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, none of us above are disagreeing with you that this is a reasonable feature requests, it's just that none of us personally want it forced upon us, hence our various "opt-in" comments. You do not need to convince anyone because no one is opposed! Primefac (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I've just explained my reasons for my suggestion, don't be mad, firstly, I did not convince anyone. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 10:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki If you click "always show" in Chrome it only will allow popups from Wikipedia, not from all websites. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Ya I know. But still don't want it. I do not know if they can remove that notice, and never show up again, and why the tool need to allow pop-ups just to be able to warn. Except for that, I don't want also to open the user talk page after rollback in another tab. If they can't make it as an option—another suggestion is to automatically open warn menu after rollback edits so warning an editor will be easy, no need to open the users talk page. If you're going to ask if why don't I use RedWarn instead of Twinkle, it is because Twinkle is faster than RedWarn for me. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 14:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

IMO, Chrome calling a new tab a "popup" is misleading. I spent a while searching for a new toplevel window, which is what the term always meant to me (or a fake one within the currently active web page, of the type that currently litters our online experience - no, I don't want to take a survey!). But I doubt making that distinction will matter to the current debate: the objection seems to be to opening the new tab. David Brooks (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be no user who objected to my suggestion. What's the update, I hope you add this feature, because no one is against it. Even make my suggestion optional, no problem. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 12:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Features for Twinkle need to be programmed, and that means someone needs to be program it. As indicated at the top of this section, the issue has been flagged as an improvement on github and when someone gets around to coding it, will be added to the live version. Primefac (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, my read of this discussion is that only one user wants this feature, and others will tolerate it if they can easily opt out of it, but in general others don't want it. Could argue that this didn't really achieve consensus. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I would also appreciate this feature. ― Qwerfjkltalk 19:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Why did you say that they don't want this feature. this feature is not a default option, it will be made an additional option. In fact, other twinkle users don't know about this discussion. And maybe, many of them, who are also mobile users, will appreciate this feature. Because when this feature is still not made, opening the talk page in another tab caused a lag on the mobile. Unlike desktop, twinkle on mobile (using desktop view) is literally difficult to use. And what is the reason why others don’t like this feature? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 23:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I have another request if you really don't like my first suggestion. what if, the warn menu opens after reversion, and then warn, so there is no need to go to a user's user talk page just to warn. Maybe no one will object to that, because that was already done in RedWarn. Just make it optional as well. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Deleted template shown?

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1530

Under the Create protection part of Twinkle, there is a Generic ({{pp-create}}) option, even though {{pp-create}} was deleted 2.5 years ago. Someone may want to fix that. Thanks. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 12:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I see it in the code, but I am having trouble finding it in the popup window. Can you give detailed steps to reproduce please? For example, 1) visit this article, 2) click this, 3) click that. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle doesn't try to transclude it anywhere. It's just the drop-down menu that shows it, though I believe, it should be removed. The location: Any red-link page → Twinkle RPP → Type of protection (drop-down menu appears) → Create protection (section) → Generic ({{pp-create}}) option. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 14:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Patch submitted for approval. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to delete the template at the top of Adam Weitsman's wikipedia page "article contains content that is written like an advertisement." Can you give me detailed steps on how to do this? From my understanding his page looks like it adheres to the wiki policy and that this banner should be taken down but I don't want to do anything that violates the codes. Thanks.

Question about special characters and possible proposal

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1533

Hello. When I initiated this RFD using Twinkle, I wanted to insert additional arrow → characters to help explain the current situation. I didn't see that option available so I instead typed =>. An editor then changed those to arrows afterwards. As far as I could tell, while Twinkle will automatically generate the arrow symbol at the top of an rfd, its edit window does not have the capability to insert additional special characters like the way we can in the standard edit window.

Maybe I didn't try very hard, so my question: Is the CharInsert menu accessible from a Twinkle edit window? If no, is it feasible to add this feature? --DB1729 (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Ticket created. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Just type →: → ― Qwerfjkltalk 14:52, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle breaks WP:UAA

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Issue #1534

Hello! So just recently, someone reported a user to UAA with Twinkle and something broke while reporting causing this to happen (the editor fixed it themself). I have no clue what's causing this or why but I'd figure I'd post this here so maybe someone could figure out what's going on. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I was gonna report this myself as the user who made that edit. I think this is caused by attempting to report someone just after an edit is made to the page, and as a result Twinkle accidentally blanks the page. EDM fan 2 (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@EDM fan 2: I reported it because this is the 2nd time I've seen this happen. I would've let you do it if I had known you were gonna report it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I just tried submitting a report and Twinkle seems to be loading the page, adding the report to the end, and then submitting the whole thing as the text. Perhaps using appendtext would be less error-prone? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. Ticket created. I was unable to reproduce on testwiki. Can you provide more details about exactly what you entered into the form? I assume AIV->UAA, username=GALE (Agency), checkboxes=Promotional username? –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a report earlier today and as far as I can tell it seems fine. Just noting. - FlightTime (open channel) 04:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Probably. I myself haven't encountered the issue but I've seen it twice. My guess is it's what EDM fan 2 described, Twinkle reports the user right after someone else does causing that. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Deploy

Hey @MusikAnimal. When you get a chance, would you be willing to run the Twinkle deploy script? There's a bug fix in there for a bug that is likely to affect Twinkle on Thursday. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Novem, I assume this THURSDAY issue is what's causing TW to look like it's been taking steroids for the last two years and is playing King Kong on top of my navbar? Primefac (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

There was just a section started at VPT, a bunch of other words are appearing as well for me, not just twinkle. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 19:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Not Novem Linguae, but yes this is the cause. There is a patch on GitHub that will fix this, but it has not been deployed yet. TheTVExpert (talk) 20:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright, we ran the deploy script a few minutes ago, should be fixed. Please let us know if any further issues.

@Primefac. No more steroids for Twinkle. 💪💪 lol –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Looks good, ta. Primefac (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry I was late to deploy! I didn't realize there was a backwards compatible fix, so I was waiting for wmf.25 to land on group 2 first (I had to make the same fix for meta:MoreMenu). A pity we weren't notified via Tech News :( — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:25, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Rename category

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1536

When requesting that a category be speedily renamed, please could Twinkle check that the proposed new name does not exist? The editor should do this, but it's easy to forget if you don't normally work in that area. (I've just withdrawn a request and replaced it by a deletion request for the erroneous duplicate name.) Certes (talk) 15:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Ticket created. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Slight error when warning a user for having a "bot username"

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1537

When you report someone for this reason, it allows you to provide a "linked article". I was curious, so I tested it in the sandbox for user warnings. However, it doesn't link an article but tells you another reason why the username violates the username policy, so I ended up with a sentence stating "In addition, it Article". The "Linked Page" should definitely be reworded to "Additional reason for username policy violation" or something along those lines, because it's not a linked page, and saying it is one is quite confusing. InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 17:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox link –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Reverting TFD behaviour

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1540

Per the outcome of this RFC, could the patch discussed and implemented here please be reversed? Apparently our lack of consensus means that new entries need to return to being placed at the top. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 07:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Roger that. Patch submitted for review. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:43, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Diff

What is the Diff in Twinkle placed at the bottom of the Turn of selected modules, what happens when you check it? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

It is the Diff module, which adds the "Last", "Since", "Since mine", and "Current" options to the Twinkle menu. The first of which is available on all pages, while the other three are available only on diff pages. TheTVExpert (talk) 00:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

What happens if I disable this? Will the revert options and restore revision options disappear in diffs? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 08:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

No, they are part of the Revert and rollback module. Disabling the Diff module only gets rid of the aforementioned options in the Twinkle menu. TheTVExpert (talk) 12:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Page protection template pp-30-500

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1542

Template:pp-30-500 is long renamed to {{pp-extended}}. To match the naming style of other pp templates, for example, {{pp-template}}, {{pp-semi-indef}} etc., Twinkle's entry for pp-30-500 should be changed to pp-extended, at Twinkle RPP → Tag page with protection template (checkbox) → Choose protection template (drop-down menu). Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 07:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Looks easy. I'd code this up right now but I gotta run. Ticket created. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Issue when protecting AfDs

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1544

Hi! As @Tbhotch raised with this edit request and explained previously on my Talk (oops!), there seems to be an issue with how Twinkle is tagging protected AfDs. Here is the edit that created the wrong template, I think. this is where Tbhotch fixed it the first time. Can someone look into the Twinkle edit? Thanks! Star Mississippi 13:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: When protecting these pages are you unchecking the "Wrap protection template with <noinclude>" in the Twinkle dialog? TheTVExpert (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

No, I didn't know that was something I should do. I just go with the standard which appears unchecked when I tested it here: User:Star Mississippi/Twinkle Test. Thanks @TheTVExpert Star Mississippi 16:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: It should be checked by default on AfD subpages and you should leave it checked. Since you are leaving it checked, there may be another issue here. I will see about looking into this further soon. TheTVExpert (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you! Let me know if I need to test anything else. Star Mississippi 17:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle doesn't recognize variant of multiple issues template

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1547

Hello! So on the article hill descent control system I used Twinkle to change the no sources template to a more citations needed template. That template and the advertising template were both inside of the template {{multiple}} which is a shortcut for the multiple issues template. However, when I used Twinkle, it apparently didn't recognize the multiple template as being the multiple issues template, so it added a new one and removed the templates from the multiple template and placed them inside a multiple issues template in this edit (disregard the "Newcomer task" tag, I simply found the article from looking through the recommended edits in my newcomer homepage), which resulted in the multiple template saying that there are no issues specified. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:24, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Ticket created. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Proposed change to uw-translation

A proposed template change to alter the message emitted by template {{uw-translation}} is being discussed at Template talk:Uw-translation. This is completely backwards-compatible and there are no changes to any parameters, so won't break existing invocations. Your feedback is welcome at the discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Block length

When I block a user for being a sockmaster, how can I change the default block length of 31h to indefinite?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23. Hey there. I wasn't able to reproduce this one. When I go to block and I select sockmaster as the reason, there is an "expiry" combo box that defaults to 24 hours, and it is changeable. Screenshot. Can you provide more details? –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh I think I misunderstood you, you want to change the "default". Sockmaster and sockpuppet blocks are normally indefinite, right? Could probably just change Twinkle's code, if there's support for this. Are there any other block types in the list that might also need their default length changed? –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppets are almost always blocked indefinitely, and the default in Twinkle is indeed indefinite. The block length for a sockmaster varies from brief to indefinite. Regardless, I want the block length default for a sockmaster to be indefinite. I am not arguing for that as the default for all Twinkle users.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Unfortunately I don't see anything in Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences about editing a specific block type's block length. Although if I'm missing something I'm sure others will chime in. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The sockmaster block preset doesn't specify a default expiry so it takes the default-of-defaults value of 31h. We could probably put it in there as indef (that seems more common than 31h). – SD0001 (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like the requestor doesn't want us to change the default (I am not arguing for that as the default for all Twinkle users). And I think coding this as a user preference would have a poor complexity to value ratio. So I am leaning toward not creating a ticket for this one. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

AfD nominations

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1548

Per WP:SK#6, Twinkle should not create an AfD nomination if the article is linked from the Main Page at the time of nomination. Cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Ticket created. Thanks for the idea. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Title beginning and ending with an equals sign

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1549
Resolved

The page =U= caused unexpected problems when attempting to file an RfD nomination for it, since {{rfd2}} cannot handle plain equals signs. Were this nomination submitted in Twinkle, it would have generated:

Twinkle-generated preview
U [[:]] → Ustaše  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  I don't know what this has to do with the topic, and it is impossible to search this emoticon-like keyword with a search engine. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The correctly formatted nomination can be viewed at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_March_27#=U=. I recommend auto-filling the template {{=}} in page titles to prevent this from happening. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed bug report. Ticket created. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:39, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The bug can be solved by fixing the template: Template talk:Rfd2#Template-protected edit request on 28 March 2022. Xiplus (talk) 01:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)