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Changing tab order

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My question is basically this. I'm wondering if there's a way to get Twinkle to load its tabs later so that the tabs that I use more often aren't knocked to the end. Even a kludgey CSS hack would be appreciated. Thanks. --Closedmouth (talk) 11:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

By default, the tool that gets initialized later will place itself farther to the right (in a ltr environment). It may suffice to load the Twinkle gadget with mw.loader.load('ext.gadget.Twinkle'); in your user script file instead of the gadget checkbox in your preferences. Amalthea 17:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I have the same problem. I'm not using the gadget page, and have Twinkle loading after Cactions, but Twinkle still shows up first. If I could selectively remove certain tabs (everything from "pp" to "p-batch"), that would help out as well. Huntster (t @ c) 22:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Use *some* of the following to hide certain tabs in your monobook.css -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
/* Hide some twinkle */
li#tw-arv {display:none;}
li#tw-csd {display:none;}
li#tw-xfd {display:none;}
li#tw-prod {display:none;}
li#tw-warn {display:none;}
li#friendly-welcome {display:none;}
li#friendly-talkback {display:none;}
li#friendly-tag {display:none;}
li#friendly-shared {display:none;}
li#tw-rpp {display:none;}
li#tw-lastdiff {display:none;}
li#tw-unlink {display:none;}
li#tw-deli {display:none;}
li#tw-batch {display:none;}
li#tw-pbatch {display:none;}
li#tw-batch-undel {display:none;}
Thaaaaank you WOS. Huntster (t @ c) 05:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I fixed some incorrect IDs in the CSS snippet above. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

SPIs

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I recently tried to use TW's ability to report possible Sockpuppets, but a lot of errors showed up.

At User:FloridaFinest, under ARV I selected "Sockpuppeteer" as the report type, and list another user account and an IP as a sock. It created an SPI page without listing the suspected socks. I had to add them in manually afterwards. It also did not notify the suspected socks. Singularity42 (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Just tried to report a SPI and nothing whatsoever happened: no errors, nothing. Mephtalk 22:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Fixed, thanks. Amalthea 11:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I just created an SPI with the same result as Singularity42. I had 3 sockpuppets in addition to the puppeteer, and I chose the notification option (if that helps.) --| Uncle Milty | talk | 17:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't read the original report closely enough, just noticed in Mephistophelian's report that it didn't work at all.
Fixed now, list of puppet accounts is no longer ignored.
Amalthea 12:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

New bug page

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I see that new bugs should be posted to the external site, but what will happen with all of the old bugs that haven't been closed? Where will discussion on those take place? -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 13:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Very many of those bugs are no longer relevant. Those that are still being encountered should be re-reported to the github issue tracker, with a link/reference to the old TWBUGS bug number. (If you prefer not to create a github account, you can alternatively report bugs here on this page.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I believe I have created issues in the issue tracker for all that I considered bugs and are likely still broken, including two of yours. Amalthea 16:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Mufka, regarding WP:TW/BUGS#450/Issue 16, can you bypass your cache and see if this works now for you? It really was broken for all admins, should be repaired now. Amalthea 16:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

2 things

Bug

Resolved: ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I still cannot log PRODs and CSDs. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I believe that your logging is not working because you still have Timotheus Canens's logging scripts enabled in your skin's JavaScript page. Try removing or commenting out those scripts. Logan Talk Contributions 23:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Actually, after enabling logging in my Twinkle preferences, it won't log my speedies either, even after bypassing my cache. Is this a known issue? Logan Talk Contributions 11:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Fixed by commenting out a script that uses the old morebits.js. My original suggestion should still work for you, Ebe123. Logan Talk Contributions 12:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
The issue causing this should be fixed, you could try re-adding assessortags.js and bypass your cache to get the new old morebits.js. Amalthea 12:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Re-enabled. Looks good. :) Logan Talk Contributions 13:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I use the "modern" skin. Not vector, and the TC's scripts were removed. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 20:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what this means. Does the problem persist for you? Amalthea 22:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
It is persisting. (Last CSD tagging didn't log. Check User:Ebe123/twinkleoptions.js. I did turn logging on. I also simplified it if that was the problem. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
It's still the scripts you import in your skin script file: you import another editor's monobook.js, which in turn imports some subscript, which then imports some old Twinkle scripts, which define a TwinkleConfig object, which in turn disables your twinkleoptions.js. Amalthea 22:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Need help with twinkle!

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hello,

if I warn someone I get this message: User talk page modification: Could not resolve redirects for: User_talk:xxxxxxxxx

What does that mean? What do they expect from me?--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 19:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The same thing happens to me with both Safari and Camino. I've reported it on the GitHub page. GcSwRhIc (talk) 19:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
What functions exactly are you using on which user page? Amalthea 20:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Any user warning on a user talk page. I tried vandalism, unsourced, and page blanking warnings and they all result in redirect error message then an an actual redirect to the main Wikipedia page. in both Safari 5.0.5 and Camino 2.1a2. GcSwRhIc (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible for you to tell us which talk page? If the title is unusual, this could be the cause of the problem. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I assume this was fixed along with the issue below. Amalthea 12:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagging redirect error?

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Hi, I tagged this redirect with {{R from other capitalisation}} and got this error message (ImageShack JPG). Haven't had any problems doing this before today. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 20:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Merged (sort of) up into above discussion. Btw, I'm using Safari. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 20:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I can reproduce it here, will look into it. Amalthea 20:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Great, thanks! – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 21:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted a cleanup change from yesterday that apparently caused these problems. I've learned today that it takes about 10 minutes for changes to resourceloader-gadgets to propagate to everyone, if anyone notices the problem after that please let us know.
Thanks, Amalthea 22:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Working, thanks. GcSwRhIc (talk) 22:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

DI and userspacing log

First of all, gotta say that I love the new Twinkle - thanks guys :)! However, when tagging an image for deletion through the DI interface, it isn't added to the userspace log. It would be great if this feature could be implemented. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Logging DI was never thought of, that's why. So people want their DI nominations logged to the same place as their CSD log? Or a separate log? — This, that, and the other (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Well personally, I'd like it to be in my CSD log, as the deletions are being made under the CSD - though I can't speak for others. Maybe add it as an option (for a stand-alone or intergreated log]] into WP:TWPREFS? Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated :) Acather96 (talk) 16:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"Restore this version" bug?

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When looking at diffs the "restore this version" appears to be dead (at least for me). I was checking out my own sandbox at User:Fyunck(click)/SandboxTennisStats and it's a no go. Firefox 4.01 and I see no "red" Xs in the error console. I think it just started happening today. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Same here. "Restore" does not work. I also use Firefox 4. Moreover, the little hand, hovering over the rollback and restore options, has now changed into a little vertical line. Can I get my hand back? And restore? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Fixed, another one introduced by cleaning up the code base. The change may take up to 10 minutes to propagate through the caches. Amalthea 07:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Amalthea, are you our go-to geek? Can you fix my PC for me also? And can we put Mandarax to work in other places if you're doing our coding for us? BTW--thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
        • And as quick as lightning Amalthea fixes things again. Much thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
          • All your thanks should go to TTO, AzaToth, UncleDouggie, and Tcncv – they did all the heavy lifting behind the scenes, I just happen to be polishing the few rough spots. Amalthea 21:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hat-note detection when tagging

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Apparently Twinkle does not recognize {{correct title}} as a hat-note and adds tags above it instead of under it. Xeworlebi (talk) 11:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed in repository, will go live somewhen today, presumably. Thanks, Amalthea 12:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Addition of {{Uw-ew}} template into code

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The {{uw-ew}} template now gives a warning different from {{uw-3rr}}. Would be glad if this template is added to the twinkle code.Abhishek Talk to me 16:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Added to the respository, will go live sometime tomorrow. And I approve: there's way too much focus on the 3rr in people's mind, as opposed to the problematic attitude that defines edit warring. Amalthea 21:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Traverse not working

Resolved: Appears to be working again. mc10 (t/c) 00:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I was just about to begin working on he image deletion backlogs, but it seems that "Traverse" isn't working. When I click "delete", the status box at the bottom says "Grabbing image links: The title parameter must be set" and nothing else happens. IIRC, there were some error messages about things being obsoleted or the like a little while back, but I didn't pay much attention because I assumed the maintainers would have noticed it. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, OK, I fixed that. Looks to me Traverse is still a bit broken, but I'm not really certain what it's supposed to do. Should it advance to the next image after deletion? Let us know. :) Amalthea 15:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, it deleted the first image in the category when I clicked delete (as it should) but then it didn't go on to the next (it used to pop up with the next image immediately). It gives an error message of "Grabbing image links: The title parameter must be set" on the line after "Deleting image: done". If you click the "Skip" button after getting that error, though, it goes on to the next one. Also, unrelated, but Traverse has never seemed to unlink images even if the "Remove image instances to the image" box is checked.
Sorry I'm not posing this on github; I don't have an account there and it just seems like it would be a pain to set one up just for a single error report. Also, if it matters, I'm running Firefox 4.something on Ubuntu Linux 11.04. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 16:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
https://github.com/azatoth/twinkle/issues/22
And now "File for dated speedy deletion" doesn't work. No error message, but clicking the "Submit Query" button doesn't do anything. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. Amalthea 23:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed to be working again. Thank you so much! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 14:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Developer request

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With me not being an admin myself, could a Twinkle-savvy admin (Amalthea or AzaToth or whoever's here) consider making all old Twinkle and Friendly scripts (User:AzaToth/twinkle*.js and User:Ioeth/friendly*.js) all contain the code in oldtwinkle.js in github (i.e. User:AzaToth/twinkle.js)? This will migrate all the people listed in the long list at the bottom of User:This, that and the other/Twinkle evangelism. Thanks, — This, that, and the other (talk) 03:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Did so with friendly.js. Can we chat about the rest tomorrow? Amalthea 19:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Have an are you sure thing pop-upbox option

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Maybe there is one and I just missed it. I bring this up because I was looking at the edits of another editor in diff, and I accidentally touched the screen where it said rollback (I am using a Touchsmart 600). I tried to backspace frantically, but it did revert. I changed it back immediately with an apology and explanation, but it really would have been nice if I had had a prompt. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 03:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Coming very soon. When it arrives, it will be a checkbox labelled "Provide a confirmation message before reverting" in the "Revert/rollback" section of WP:TWPREFS. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

File tagging

Resolved: See #FurMe merge

The tag tab does nothing when on a file page now. Anybody seeing that? Eeekster (talk) 23:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle does not provide a "tag" tab on file pages. I think FurMe does this, but I'm not sure - I don't use it. So you should contact FurMe's maintainers. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, yes, sorry. Forgot where I was getting that function. Looks like all for FurMe is down right now. Eeekster (talk) 00:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
It hasn't been working since the morebits upgrade, and FurMe's maintainer hasn't edited since 2008. We should probably find it a new maintainer. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 17:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to start a formal merge request for FurMe to become part of the Twinkle family, and then add its functions to Twinkle using the API down the road. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


google analytics

Resolved: Misplaced, and without further information we can't help either.

please delete the page concerning the aforementioned google analytics. it seems to only be a advertisement, and has been marked for deletion since mid-2009 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.132.172 (talk) 03:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you may have got lost? This talk page is about the Wikipedia Tool Twinkle that helps editors manage alot of editor functions on the site. If you have concerns over a particular page, you should try that page's talk page first. - Happysailor (Talk) 08:53, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle text modification

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I noticed one of the Twinkle single-issue notice's label and summary doesn't really make sense:

                "uw-spoiler": {
                        label:"Censoring spoiler alerts", 
                        summary:"Notice: Don't remove spoiler alerts" 
                },

This makes it sound like the opposite of the warning, Template:Uw-spoiler, which is to tell people to avoid adding spoiler alerts or deleting/censoring spoilers. I recommend it be changed to something like:

                "uw-spoiler": {
                        label:"Removing spoilers / adding spoiler alerts", 
                        summary:"Notice: Don't remove spoilers or add spoiler alerts" 
                },

Thanks. –CWenger (^@) 21:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, changed in repo. Amalthea 12:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! –CWenger (^@) 23:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Many things

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  1. PROD log is putting nonsense characters. (User:Ebe123/PROD log)
  2. {{db-animal}} to be added. Go to github. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
You have asked many times. The answer is that we are not going to add {{db-animal}}, as I remember writing a while ago. Please stop asking for it.
Looks like the other Twinkle devs don't agree with me. It's been added anyway. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, thank you for the report about BLP PROD: it is indeed broken. I also notice it adds a blank "Reason" field for BLP PRODs. These two issues will be fixed soon. — This, that, and the other (talk) 03:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

seeing double

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I'm getting two "rollback vandalism" lines in my diffs. It just started today. Is there something I should look for? I'm using Monobook with it included via javascript. User:Tedder/monobook.js. Thanks, tedder (talk) 04:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot that I had a Twinkle loader in my userspace that people used. Should be working for you now, you can also remove the Twinkle import from your monobook altogether and turn on the gadget. The problem that prompted you to use that specialized loader should be addressed in Twinkle v2. Amalthea 07:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I figured it was because I have been collecting bits for a long time. tedder (talk) 08:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

db-animal - add it to Twinkle or not?

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To settle this: Do folks want to have {{db-animal}} added as a separate criterion to Twinkle-Speedy? I've seen both support and opposition for it in the past: Support because it's a valid template and Twinkle should be complete, opposition because it's rarely used and standard A7 can cover it.
What do other's think, can we have a quick straw poll?
Amalthea 19:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see a huge issue with it, although it's almost never used and probably impractical. Twinkle should offer all of the speedy templates that are available. Logan Talk Contributions 20:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd agree that TW should have all the templates, but the template shouldn't exist. I've brought it up at WT:CSD. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 10:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Seems to me that (A) if it exists, we should carry it, and (B) whether it should exist at all is a discussion to be had at WT:CSD, and then we just follow their lead, whatever it ends up being. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Just for the record, I have used it once, on someone's pet dog who apparently liked laying around in the sun. It isn't completely useless. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:41, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
To clarify, yes, I'd like to have it on Twinkle if it's practical to add it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not really sure it's a good idea to clutter the menus with things that are very rarely useful. I think in the months since we've added the criterion I've never needed to use it. (I think it clutters up WP:CSD also, and I did not support adding it) DGG ( talk ) 20:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I used it on an article about a cat once. --The Σ talkcontribs 02:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I used it one time on a horse or some animal like that. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, when will the poll be finished? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I'll start. --The Σ talkcontribs 23:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - it's a practical {{db}} which is more specific than A7. --The Σ talkcontribs 23:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support Twinkle should be as complete as possible, and as others have stated, it is used at least occasionally. jcgoble3 (talk) 23:35, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Note: Coding at github is ready when approved. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 20:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support – It is still used, albeit occasionally. mc10 (t/c) 00:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

YesY Added. Amalthea 10:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Google chrome

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Note: If you use Google Chrome, due to the web browser, you cannot use WP:TWPREFS. We, the developers of twinkle are finding a solution, please comment here. During the mean time, you may contact me (Ebe123) to set up your preferences manually. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs (Falsifying timestamp to fool archive bot.) 22:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

You're a developer of Twinkle? Logan Talk Contributions 23:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
...Or just use Firefox to set up prefs, then go back to Chrome. GFOLEY FOUR— 23:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Fixed in repo. Should appear on-wiki today or tomorrow. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle is not functioning at all: 13 June @ 0.11BST

Resolved: by Krinkle - if it is still not working, please clear your cache/bypass it. You may also have to purge for the fix to appear. Logan Talk Contributions 23:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Checking with other users, it appears that Twinkle has stopped working: Clicking any twinkle tab regardless of browser (Firefox, Chromium, etc) does not bring up any box for you to work in. The last time I used it was about 2 or 3 hours ago, so I have no idea when it went down. FishBarking? 23:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

TW wasn't working here by 22.38 UTC. Clock in the toolbar has gone too.  —SMALLJIM  23:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Glad to know I'm not the only one. When I wanted to tag something for AfD, it was dead. LadyofShalott 23:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Sadly "me too" as PROD, CSD, Tag, etc. are all not functioning. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks for resolving this! LadyofShalott 00:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't an error in the Twinkle code, BTW. Amalthea 09:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Since this break, TW doesn't seem to work if wikEd is enabled for the user; did before. Nigholith (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Everything appears to be functional to me. What does "doesn't seem to work" mean, exactly? And can you try again in ca. 10 minutes, I just put a minor change live that would have prevented the breakage from above? Amalthea 12:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, should have been more specific. No TW functions appear on my UI at all if wikEd is enabled since this break, though it might just be my setup; I'll try again in ten minutes. Nigholith (talk) 12:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Nope, the minor fix didn't correct the issue. My user script's still acting as if TW's disabled when I enable wikEd. Nigholith (talk) 12:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
It's probably unrelated to the problem from above then. Could you try loading both Twinkle and WikiEd via gadgets instead of your skin script? For me, loading wikiEd with the code from your vector.js doesn't work. And if that doesn't help either, we'll need more information: What OS and Browser are you using? Are there any Twinkle-related errors in your javascript error console (see WP:TW/DOC#Trouble for more info)? Amalthea 12:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Aye, loading via Gadgets seems to solve it; thanks muchly :-) TW and wikEd seemed to cooperate in my vector.js untill the 13th, odd. Nigholith (talk) 12:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Not Working Again

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Twinlke isn't appearing at all for me right now. Anyone else having problems again? OlYellerTalktome 13:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Now back: WP database was locked for a few minutes. --Old Moonraker (talk) 13:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences's text is scrolling off the screen in IE9

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For some reason, the text on Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences is scrolling completely off of the browser screen, creating a horizontal scroll bar. CSS bug? If you need a screenshot, I will upload one. mc10 (t/c) 01:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Quite right... I'll see if I can fix it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Removal of the new "batch" thingies

Resolved: See #Changing tab order. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 19:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed I now have new tabs to delete things in "batches" = "deli-batch", "d-batch", and "p-batch". How do I remove these from showing up for me? -- Cirt (talk) 17:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Right now there is no way. Also, the "baches" were from some time ago. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 18:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
See #Changing tab order above for a way to hide the tabs. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I didn't realize that TW offered batch deletions. What are the criteria for determining the batch? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary text

So I've been using a slightly customized version of User:Ioeth/friendlywelcome.js for a while, which has a different edit summary for the welcome template edits. This is because I put some other (non-welcome) templates on the welcome menu and I don't want the edit summary saying "Added welcome template" if it's not a welcome template every time. So I'm wondering if there's a way I can set a custom summaryText for the updated Twinkle's welcoming bit? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia:TWPREFS#twinkle-config-section-12 yet? I think that's where you're supposed to do it. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but that doesn't solve my problem—I have custom templates set, but I want to change the edit summary because not all of those templates are actually welcome templates. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Disable features

Just wondering if it's possible to disable certain features as the list is quite long when using the monobook skin and my own additions get shoved over to the right and I need to scroll over to see them now. I only used to use the Tfd options but now it's all or nothing. Some additional configuration options to disable un-needed features would be nice. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Not at the moment, I'm afraid. What I do in my monobook.css is to move all the tabs closer together so that they waste less space, and you can of course use the CSS IDs of the Twinkle tabs you don't need and hide them there as well. Admittedly that's not the most elegant solution. Amalthea 06:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

I recognize that need to balance my complaints as a result of the changes with praise for the new features and speed included in the update. Thanks for the hard work of all involved. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Seconded. Great work to all involved in creating the new Twinkle! It looks great, and functions quite well! SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

twinkleoptions.js notice

Just wondering if the notices on twinkleoptions.js & monobook,js/vector.js would look better if they were set to full width to match the styles of the other notices shown on those pages. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

They're supposed to be eye-catching, and the messages they contain are short. Perhaps, after a while, they could be assimilated with the other boxes on JS pages. But for the moment, while the whole twinkleoptions thing is still new, I think they should stand out as they do now. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect new section month

It appears that there is a narrow window of time as seen here where UTC dates are used and local times are not yet set where there could be an incorrect heading. In other words, those West of UTC time will show the previous month last in their day on the last day of the month and those east of UTC time will show the following month early on the first day of the month. Trivial issue that will be difficult to test. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle uses the computer's time to do this, for want of a better solution. It should be adjusted to UTC, but obviously if the computer's clock is out by a few minutes, or the time zone is set wrongly, then the wrong month will appear. There really isn't much of a way around this at the moment. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
What time does the Wikipedia:UTC clock use? Does it just add or subtract based on time zone? (I'm not being snarky if this is obvious, I really can't read JS) ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 09:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It uses the computer's time, just like Twinkle. I suspect that we can get around this with some #time: magic, as follows: Twinkle locates the latest month header in the current page and pass it to a special template that compares it to the output of #time; the template becomes either the header or nothing depending on whether the two are equal. But that seems like a huge amount of work for what is basically a cosmetic fix that affects 12 days each year. T. Canens (talk) 14:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Nifty, but that won't work for figuring out the right page to list an AfD request, for example. Amalthea 14:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, for that you'll have to actually ask the server for time. But in XfD requests (which are much more expensive and generally a few server requests already) the overhead of another request is relatively smaller. T. Canens (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
(ec) Yes, as does Twinkle. I can only presume that the user's time is off -- maybe it doesn't even seem off to him since he has both the clock and the timezone wrong.
In any case, that Twinkle relies on the client clock is actually the old WP:TW/BUGS#368, and I do think we should fix this at some point (should be copied to new issue tracker). It requires another server request to get at the server time though. I've added it to the bug tracker: https://github.com/azatoth/twinkle/issues/6 Amalthea 14:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Importing Twinkle to other projects

Hi, I want to include Twinkle in the Sanskrit Wikipedia. Are there any instructions on how to do that, or can anyone guide me? Thanks. Lynch7 17:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to import it to the French Wikipedia. (Je voudrais l'importer au Wikipédia français.) ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 19:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I am not one of the developers here, and they make some time to get back to you on this. They just released a totally-reworked version of Twinkle and have been fairly busy fixing issues and making sure it is running smoothly. I assume that you are familiar with JavaScript programming? If not, it will be very difficult to get Twinkle running on your wiki (especially if you don't want it in English). Perhaps one of the developers, or someone familiar with the workings of the program (I am not) can put together an instruction list. If you are not familiar with JavaScript, try fishing around your wiki for someone who is and will be willing to undertake a massive project. There is not only the work of porting this over to the wiki and translating all of the text, but it is also very likely that most (if not all) of the templates & pages have different names & functionality. Almost certainly the wiki will have different policies as well. Further, the developers here have too much on their plates to offer more than simple instruction, so editors at your wikis will need to problem-solve & bug-fix on their own. This is likely the reason none of the have responded here yet, this sort of question is asked a lot by editors who would like the functionality, but do not have the skills to put it into action. So if there is a skilled JavaScript programmer (preferably a small group of them) willing to dedicate that much time to making it work on your wiki, let us know. Even then, I cannot speak for the developers, and it will be up to them whether or not to help. I know it sounds daunting, but that is because it is. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
As a Twinkle developer, and one who can speak a bit of French, I am happy to provide advice on any localisation efforts, but I lack the time to do any substantive JavaScript work, etc.
It would be fairly easy to transfer, say the "diff" and "fluff" (revert and rollback) modules, as they are not specific to English Wikipedia, and would only require minor text changes to accommodate a different language. However, most of Twinkle's modules, like XFD, CSD, RPP, and ARV, are very much enwiki-specific, and would likely require a complete rewrite for other language version of Wikipedia. As Johnny said above, if you can find one or more skilled JavaScript coders, you'd do well to speak to them. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:53, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies. My JavaScript is not really up to the mark, so I'll have to find someone who is. Thanks again. Lynch7 16:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not especially good at javascript (better at C++) but I think that I should mention that it is different the french wiki than the english wiki. For one, speedy deletions are done on request on Wikipédia:Demande de suppression immédiate instead of on the article. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 19:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I started twinle on fr.wiki with the name of "étoile" "star" Finished /diff (link) ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 19:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle deletion sorting

So Dinoguy1000 made a few (incomplete?) scripts to integrate deletion sorting into Twinkle, User:Dinoguy1000/scripts/amdelsort.js & User:Dinoguy1000/scripts/delsort.js. This editor is no longer active, so these scripts will not be finished (see User talk:Dinoguy1000#Twinkle and delsort). There are also two other delsort scripts that I know of, one that is no longer maintained (User:Pb30/Delsort tab), and one that relies on the current/old Twinkle (User:John Vandenberg/Deletion sorting tool). What is the likelihood that we can get deletion sorting under the hood of the new Twinkle from the start? I have no knowledge of JavaScript, so I can't tell how much of that code is usable. Ideal functionality would let editors using Twinkle or Friendly sort existing AfDs, and editors using full Twinkle sort the AfDs that they themselves are tagging (preferably though a pop-up menu they would see every time). This would save a good-many editors a ton of time. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 15:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ideally, such functionality should allow for sorting *any* deletion discussion rather than just AFDs, and should allow sorting into multiple lists as one action. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
So I posted this right before the new version was released (I didn't know it was near being finished). Most likely people have noticed it, but are too busy with putting out existing fires to respond. This has been a long-running "to do"... Is there any chance that, given the current flurry of coding focused on Twinkle, a kindly programmer will add this functionality? It has been discussed many times before (at least here, here, here, and here, maybe others), and my fear is that once the new Twinkle is stable there won't be anyone with the time and/or interest to work on it. The authors of the above-mentioned scripts want their integration into Twinkle-proper (not sure about User:Pb30/Delsort tab, but for sure the other two). Thanks! ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be fantastic if someone could integrate delsort into Twinkle. It should be fairly simple now that Twinkle is more mature. My tool is rotting slowly and has just broken again. I'm only finding time to add bandaids. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that the delsort tab relied on Twinkle and Morebits for functionality, and so hasn't been working properly since the switch. If there were a response either way that would be helpful. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 05:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
It seems to only rely on morebits, not just twinkle. The current version of morebits is (in theory) backward compatible, so the tool should continue to work when User:AzaToth/morebits.js is imported. (Having Twinkle on as a gadget won't cut it.) However, I see your point about a rewrite: the code is very messy, and will likely cease to work when the MediaWiki devs re-enable HTML5. I don't think this tool is "general-purpose" enough to justify its inclusion in Twinkle, but I'll see what others think. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
The deletion sorting tab would only need show up on deletion discussions, right? It would be my guess that most of the people using Twinkle participate in deletion discussions at least infrequently. I don't always sort the deletions I nominate, let alone participate in, but I certainly would if there were a tab for it. I think most people would, even if they'd never previously heard of WP:DELSORT, and we'd end up crowdsourcing all of DELSORT's work (which is a good thing). As I mentioned above, the most ideal situation is to sort them as they are nominated, but I don't know if any of the scripts above would help with that, so that part would just be from scratch, which I know isn't desirable at this point. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

A suggestion which would help reduce newbie biting.

Shortly after reading a current candidate for admin discussion, and noting the concern that an editor filed many multiple PRODS almost simulataneoulsy, I noticed this talk page. While everyone of these Prods and CSD notices may be valid, it must be exceedingly discouraging for an editor to see this talk page. I made a small attempt at conveying the same information with a smaller wall of text. See here, where I manually collapsed 19 notices into a single notice. ConcernedVancouverite wondered here if the approach could be incorporated into our automated tools.

I envisage that if an editor adds a subsequent PROD or CSD to a talk page that has a Prod or CSD within a specified time frame (one day, seven days?), instead of creating an entirely new entry, the tool would simply add a new item to a list.

I realize there are some complications. In my example, all 19 are A7. There are several Prods, with differing reasons. I think it might be relatively straightforward to collapse into a notice with a list when the reasons are identical—it might be a little trickier if there are multiple prods or CSD with differing reasons. However, I think we could discuss low-hanging fruit (identical reasons) now, and maybe refine it later.--SPhilbrickT 01:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. I've always wanted a feature where, when CSD tagging or image DI-tagging, Twinkle would automatically condense multiple notifications on the author's talk page into one so as to not bite. Let's see if Amalthea or one of the other devs can get this working. ;) Logan Talk Contributions 01:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree, and if it's technically possible, it is a suggestion that should be addressed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
If a proper proposal is made (i.e. showing exactly how this should be reliably done across all CSD notification templates - don't forget they are substed - and the PROD and BLP PROD warnings), it could probably be implemented, given consensus on a Village Pump or somewhere, I would imagine. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe an algorithm that looked at the recent edit summaries to check if the user had received other recent notifications? Rather than developing and debugging code that works for every permutation of notification, just add a hat note on stacked notices with a very short summary showing instead of the full lecture? VQuakr (talk) 06:46, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
If it is to be implemented we need a fuller proposal than that. If someone could hack up a demo, then us coders are happy to jump on board. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Instead of basing off of edit summaries, wouldn't it be better to base it off of what tags are already on the page? Say that when Twinkle adds a PROD or speedy notice, the heading is simply "Requested deletion of an article you created" giving a full description. The next Twinkle user (Twinkler?) that comes along leaves a tag under the same heading, excluding redundant information. Prod and speedy and AfD could be bundled, or under separate headings. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 16:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

{{whisperback}} and {{talkbacktiny}}

I would appreciate it if these two were supported. --The Σ talkcontribs 19:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to add custom talkback templates just like custom welcome templates? That would be useful to me. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 20:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible with speedy deletion tags as well? I would want {{db-animal}}. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I think it's more important for the recipient of a talkback notice to configure its nature; I, for one, would prefer to get them as WP:SMS. Amalthea 21:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Feature request

Note: This is a feature request for sysops only.

How about a block user (maybe "BL" or "BLU") button (searched all of MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle). There is delete, batchdelete, protect, batchprotect but no block or batchblock. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 22:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't an batchblock be an direct violation of WP:BEANS? :) Well, I remember I thought about it a long time ago, but couldn't think of a way to get the actual "batch" list of people to block. AzaToth 23:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Then just block, how about it? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 20:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Do you know User:Animum/easyblock.js? Amalthea 21:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Html5 local storage

I'm using the secure server and thus the script is loading relative slowing every time. Why not putting the script in the HTML5 local storage for secure server? Should be achievable with not so much amount of extra coding. (One time a day checking for a new version maybe, maybe for everybody since reducing server load, checking if browser support this of course) mabdul 20:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Caching the script is the browser's job, I'd say. Are you certain the delays you notice are due to your browser requesting Twinkle? It usually should get back a quick 304 not-modified. Amalthea 23:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
And browsers do normally (or shouldn't) cache skripts/content of a secure server! Do you get that I mean: I'm using the secure server and the script is (of course) requested every time --> That produces server load AND costs time (for me). To prevent this: local storage... mabdul 07:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm uncertain how it could be done, with some sort of cross browser compatibility; But feel free to provide an patch, and we'll look into it. AzaToth 10:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Web_Storage and Comparison_of_layout_engines_(HTML5)#Related_specifications do say that there is cross-browser support already. The problem is, that I know many facts about it, but not able to program anything. Maybe I a year or so ;p mabdul 08:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

FurMe merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The merge is underway. The end is not in sight, however. FurMe is a fairly primitive tool that will require a partial rewrite to become part of Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The intent of this proposal is to gain consensus on making the image-tagging tool FurMe part of Twinkle. FurMe runs on the morebits code base as does Twinkle, however, due to the recent Twinkle upgrade, FurMe currently is inoperable, and in addition, its maintainer, AWeenieMan, has not edited since 2008. Considering the need to find a new maintainer for the tool and upgrade it anyway, it seems like the best solution is to add its features, which complement the existing features in Twinkle, to Twinkle. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Support as nominator. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support A valuable tool that eases the task of image maintenance. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment - I just want to make sure that people approach this as a "show of support" rather than a traditional vote. This is adding a broken tool to someone's workload of regular maintenance. The consensus we are seeking is that of the devs, and they shouldn't feel pressured if they don't think it's a good fit. I'm neutral on adding the tool, though it would be nice if it were fixed. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support Should be. But first, lets let AzaToth or another twinkle programmer think about it. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 21:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support I can't find a currently working tool for image tagging. Eeekster (talk) 02:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm willing to take this on, so long as it doesn't take too long to do. By the looks of it, there are two modules that need to be added: "FUR" and "Tag" for images (which could probably be added into the current Tag module). I don't anticipate working on FurMeScroller for the time being. — This, that, and the other (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I would rather have it separate. I have never used twinkle. It would be like driving around a truck, when I only wanted a motorbike. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Well we could an unattached copy, however right now FurMe dosen't even work without jumping through hoops, and integration would mean that FurMe actually gets updated and patched. Sven Manguard Wha? 09:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Support per the reasoning directly above this. Sven Manguard Wha? 09:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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Many A7

Could we put as we have for Globalize for tags to you select the A7 option and it lists the other templates? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 23:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Why add extra clicks to the process? — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Just 1 or 0. Globalize in the tags box has such a function. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 12:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
0. Logan Talk Contributions 23:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Watching user talk pages on PROD and CSD notifications

Can we get an option on WP:TWPREFS to allow us to automatically add the user talk page to our watchlist when notifying users of PROD and CSD notifications? That option is already present for warnings, welcomes, and XfD nominations, and I'd like to see it available for PROD and CSD also. jcgoble3 (talk) 00:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

This is a feature that I would find very useful, especially for those of us who patrol and/or actually delete articles. I have often missed not having such a feature. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Reverting a good-faith unsigned comment

Why can't I do a "Rollback (AGF)" of an unsigned comment after SineBot has signed it? "Notice: Good faith revert was chosen on SineBot. This is a whitelisted bot, it makes no sense at all to revert it as a good faith edit, will stop reverting". Never mind, I'll do it a different way... -- John of Reading (talk) 15:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Rollback means undoing all the edits by the most recent user. In this case, the most recent user is SineBot, and its edits don't make sense to be reverted. Unfortunately the best way around this is to find the last good version (before the editor you want to revert and SineBot), and use "revert to this revision". –CWenger (^@) 16:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Of course, this happens often enough that it may be worth an sinebot-specific code path to treat the two edits as one … Amalthea 16:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to mention that as well. I encounter this situation with some frequency and it would certainly be nice to be able to handle it with one click instead of several. Not sure how hard it would be to implement. –CWenger (^@) 16:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
It is already implemented for the other two buttons. If you try this with either of the other buttons, Twinkle asks for confirmation and then rolls back both edits for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. I guess I never even tried it for fear of reverting SineBot. Thanks for the info! –CWenger (^@) 16:47, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

This is per design, and is described in a comment in the source code:

		// a list of usernames, usually only bots, that vandalism revert is jumped over, that is
		// if vandalism revert was chosen on such username, then it's target is on the revision before.
		// This is for handeling quick bots that makes edits seconds after the original edit is made.
		// This only affect vandalism rollback, for good faith rollback, it will stop, indicating a bot 
		// has no faith, and for normal rollback, it will rollback that edit.
		Twinkle.fluff.whiteList = [
			'HagermanBot',
			'SineBot',
			'HBC AIV helperbot',
			'HBC AIV helperbot2',
			'HBC AIV helperbot3'
		];

Though I notice that list is a bit outdated. Could someone compile an list of currently active anti-vandalism/sign bots? AzaToth 21:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Back to my original question then - why was it designed this way? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
How should it work? Situation is, latest edit by a bot, edit before by a human. What should Twinkle do if you revert that (AGF, normal, vandalism)
  1. If the bot was ClueBot NG, i.e. a vandalism revert (which /might/ have reverted an unrelated edit)?
  2. If the bot was Sinebot (which /might/ have signed an unrelated edit)?
  3. If the bot was AnomieBOT, restoring some references from history (which /might/ have signed an unrelated edit)?
Amalthea 10:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can remember, I've only used this feature to revert inappropriate talk page posts after they had been signed by SineBot. I've got so used to doing this with the second and third buttons that I was surprised to find I couldn't do it with the first button. I was trying to remove a mis-posted draft article at Help talk:Searching. So: no opinion on the other bots, but I would like all three buttons to undo the "post + SineBot" combination. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:32, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
But there certainly are situations where you only want to undo an overeager SineBot. Should Twinkle ask the user what to do in case of normal or AGF rollback? Or should those cases be ignored? Amalthea 12:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it should ask. I think the second and third buttons already ask, don't they? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

XfD closingh

Is this feature enabled? I don't see it in the TW menu, and I don't see it on the prefs page. . DGG ( talk ) 04:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

It was enabled for a couple of days, but it was turned off for all users, as it was deemed inferior to other scripts. It only ever worked for AfD. I will discuss this with other Twinkle maintainers, but I expect the outcome will be that the closer module is deleted altogether from Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorting and more

hello,

please someone who have access to Twinkle sort the userwarnings in "General Note", "Caution", "Warning" "Final warning" and "Only warning" like in "Single issues notices" and "Single issues warnings"? Also please change "General Note" to "General note" like "Only warning". Also is it possible to add more features, such as WP:DELREV or WP:UNDELETE? For example for deleted articles there could be a tab for WP:DELREV or WP:UNDELETE. Thank you.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Share–a–Power[citation needed] 11:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I am doing your request of capitalization at github but what do you mean by "sort"? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 20:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Previous attempts to sort one of those lists has been met with some opposition, a number of people do prefer the somewhat thematic sorting. I'd request some further opinions before this is changed. Amalthea 07:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-biog1

Resolved: Kept

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Uw-biog1 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

This debate is still open, since nobody's commenting, just an FYI... ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Colo(u)r changing

Resolved

Could there be a option for the colo(u)r of twinkle? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 19:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Here I must say no. No need for distraction for features that have no practical use at all. AzaToth 20:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
There's a "Transparent" color option if you click the X in the top right hand corner of a Twinkle popup. 718smiley.svg Logan Talk Contributions 20:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding File: functions

I was asked on my talkpage a few days ago about desired functionality for File: functions in Twinkle. I've never worked with the old FurMe, so I can't offer specifics on how to improve that functionality. Also, I usually work with free images, but I think general file functions would be a great addition to Twinkle. Some ideas I've had (as an example, File:DSC03111.JPG would be a great candidate for all of these):

  • File moving functionality - specifically, automatically editing linked articles to point to the new name, as well as a decent error message when attempting to move to another namespace (disabled on EN, but it just shows some weird code). Adding a note to the uploader's talk page is also helpful, as they may look for it at the old name, and some admins have been deleting file redirects on sight.
    • Good idea. I'm not putting my hand up to do it, though, as I'm too busy. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Moving files will, TW or not, require the filemover right. If this evolves into a method of bypassing the need for filemover, I would srongly oppose it. If not, commons has a file delinker thing that we might be able to steal. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
        • I'm not proposing bypassing the right, but it isn't a very hard bit to get (I mean, if I have it...). Anyone who is actually interested in moving files and hasn't set the wiki on fire recently should be eligible. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
  • All files should either have a FUR template or {{information}}. I would like to easily add these templates to files (presumably FurMe did half of this). Ideally this would allow for automatically filling some fields: "Self" templates should add the uploader as "author" and "source", "date" can be added from metadata, "permission" can be added from license, and "description" should be whatever text is loose on the page (i.e. "This is my dogz he is teh Best!") Ideally this text would be pre-loaded onto a field that users can edit/cleanup. The ability to dynamically switch between the two (free and non-free) would be great, keeping the description and source info intact, as many company logos are {{PD-text}}, many images claimed as free by uploaders are actually copyrighted, etc.
    • This is in the works. It may not be as sophisticated as that initially - I'm just trying to get it working to start with - but it may eventually become more automatic as you describe. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Non-free files should actually have both the T:I and the FUR, however the FUR seems to be seen as enough. I admit that I don't go through the effort of placing a T:I in if the FUR is good, but still... Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I would love the option of Twinkle automatically changing "Image:" to "File:" in any automated Twinkle edits, even if it is not a image-related edit (I do this myself whenever I see it). I realize this is not vital, it's just a harmless change to preferred usage, and potentially makes using files slightly less confusing to new editors (link says "Image", target says "File"). I can live without this.
    • This is more of an AWB kind of thing, rather than Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Agreed - seems out of scope for Twinkle. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
        • I personally don't see a reason for this, the two terms can be used interchangeably. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but there are other priorities. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
  • The ability to quickly add the useful templates, like {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}} or {{Trademark}}, from Category:File message boxes.
    • This is actually already done, and I'll try to get it working on-wiki very soon. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I doubt this is possible, but what about moving free files using http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonshelper.php ? I realize that this tool makes it so much easier to move the files already, but we still have 266,041 free local files left, and more are being added all the time. Currently, when you see an unused free image on WP the only automated option is to delete it! So many images are put up for deletion because they were orphaned, which has somehow become an acceptable criteria. Adding Commons functionality would probably sate those nominators. Again, I doubt such integration is possible, but a fella can dream.
    • I agree that a JavaScript commons helper would be extremely useful. I wouldn't be surprised if someone, somewhere, has already written one. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

That's all I can think of right now. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 16:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It should be in the FurMe merge. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 18:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Ebe123, I still don't get how you're speaking on behalf of the devs. How do you know that they are going to be able to implement these features into the FurMe murge? Logan Talk Contributions 20:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, Ebe123, please speak for yourself only. I am currently working on the FurMe merge: if you would like to start writing code for some of the other features that I am not currently working on (as stated above), you are most welcome. — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Archiving

How about lowering the arhiving to 5 days or so. There are tons of comments and most of them are resolved. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 20:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I will manually archive. The page is getting filled because of all the changes, usually the waters are more placid. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, keep in mind that many resolved issues should stay up long enough so that anyone with similar issues will see that it is resolved, or so regulars will know about new features. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Please stop clogging up the history with archiving. Just do them all at once; we get pinged on IRC every time there's a change to this talk page. Logan Talk Contributions 21:30, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Didn't realize, I was trying to avoid edit conflicts. I'll do it all at once later. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Why not let the bot do it? tedder (talk) 21:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Well the bot is set for doing it after a thread has been dormant for 28 days. With the recent changeover and everyone being here now... well this is out of the ordinary. I'd suggest someone just take every single "resolved" thread, toss it in an archive, and clear up some space. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:42, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
All the things marked resolved were sent to Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 23. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

friendlytabs?

Friendly had friendlytabs. Now they are gone, Will Twinkle include them? My current setup pushes a lot of tabs off screen. Or is there a snipet of Friendly code I can add to my monobook.js?  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

If you are using monobook, look for them approx 2000px to the right of your screen. AzaToth 18:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I got them back by adding "importScript('User:Ioeth/friendlytabs.js');" after my twinkle line in the monobook.js.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Was there a reason why this was dropped? Amalthea 13:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Because we didn't think there was any reason for tab names to be shortened, in the days of larger display sizes. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
That's because you are assuming that a user will only have extra tabs due to Twinkle and will always use the browser full screen (and has a wide screen monitor). There are other useful scripts that are not Twinkle based and still add yet more tabs. I have 22 tabs on some pages, and I like a bit of space to one side to show other windows.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
We also assumed that you were using Vector :) — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Never assume anything - you will always get it wrong... I love monobook.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Just as a me too, I'm missing the short tabs. I'll get used to it, as I'd rather stay with Twinkle rather than adding more javascript back in. tedder (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

If you want to get Friendlytabs back, it's as simple as adding
importScript('User:Ioeth/friendlytabs.js');
to the end of your skin JavaScript file. It ought not to interfere with Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we add this back into Twinkle, but disable it by default? mc10 (t/c) 04:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
It should be possible. I'll look into it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Deli-batch - want to get rid of these, not "change the order"

I want to get rid of the annoying "deli-batch" tabs, altogether, not simply change the order of the tabs. Is there a way to remove these as a personal option? -- Cirt (talk) 18:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh oops, I got the answer here [1]. This page archives things way too fast, had trouble finding that discussion from only a day or so ago!!! No good, this [2] appears to have removed all the tabs for XFD closing scrips. How to fix it? -- Cirt (talk) 18:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

So the tabs I want to remove are: unlink, deli-batch, d-batch, p-batch. Is there a way to do that? -- Cirt (talk) 18:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cirt
Page was archived manually this morning, a bit overeagerly, that's why fairly new sections are gone now, too. Those css rules you found at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 23#Changing tab order should have gone to your monobook.css – adding them to your script page caused errors, which stopped all script execution after it, which is why you lost several tabs.
Should all be set up properly for you now. I'll try to implement disabling individual modules in the twinkle preferences next week; importing only some modules as you used to had to be disabled with the rewrite, for various reasons.
Amalthea 19:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. Thank you so much!!! -- Cirt (talk) 19:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Pained grin Yep, that was me. Per another thread here I archived all the resolved threads, as the page was getting very large. Sorry. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Deleting pages that exist on another project

Resolved

When deleting pages using criteria that require that the target is also on another project (foreign language or commons or somesuch), Twinkle should ask for the location. For example, KESERASIAN MUSYAWARAH ONLINE DAN TATAP MUKA was deleted because a page was created on another wiki (to speed up its deletion here), but the deleter did not specify where the new page is located. As the secondary location is required for these CSD, it would make sense that it be listed in the deletion summary. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

That page was not deleted using Twinkle. Twinkle's deletion summaries are formatted like [[WP:CSD#G1|G1]]: Patent nonsense, and the automatically-provided deletion summary is able to be modified before Twinkle deletes the page (unless the admin has disabled that preference). — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Gotcha, what about when applying the templates using Twinkle? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Specifically this refers to CSD F1. Redundant, F8. Images available as identical copies on the Wikimedia Commons and A2. Foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Twinkle asks for the interwiki link, but the use can of course choose to leave the input field blank. Amalthea 09:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh, dito for for f1 and f8. Also t3, a10, url for f9, g12, pagetitle for some g6, and detailed rationales for some other. Amalthea 09:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Well then, I'm asking for existing functionality. Thanks! ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 09:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)