Talk:Ukraine

Russia is not located in Europe

I suggest changing the sentence describing how ukraine is the second largest country in Europe. Only a small part of Russia is actually located in Europe and traditionally Russia is described as eurasian rather than European. Ukraine however is located in Europe entirely. 83.233.148.202 (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You may want to consult an atlas. Mellk (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Russia is still the largest country in Europe even if it had only its European part. Georgia guy (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Holodomor in lead.

There is a particular sentence in the lead section that talks about the Holodomor. The sentence states the famine was caused by Stalin. Would it be possible to change the sentence to reflect the nuance and point readers to the corresponding articles and scholastic work on the Holodomor? FictiousLibrarian (talk). 18:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@FictiousLibrarian: I wrote that by shortening a previous sentence but I believe that nuance belongs in the body of the article, as if nuance was put in the lead the lead would become too long. I am not an expert but I understand historians dispute whether Stalin caused the famine deliberately or by accident. But I think adding that nuance would be too much detail for the lead. You are right the wikilink was poor - so have linked Causes of the Holodomor. As you are interested in history it would be great if you could improve and hopefully shorten the history section of this article. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

As far as I know, "caused by Stalin" is correct. The great hunger also caused deaths outside Ukraine, but most victims were Ukrainians. The question still under debate is whether Stalin targeted Ukraine specifically (to put an end to nationalist tendencies there) or whether he targeted all rich farming areas (to suppress resistance against collectivation). Rsk6400 (talk) 16:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Chidgk1:, @Rsk6400: Various other high-ranking Soviet leaders such as Molotov and Kaganovich were responsible for the famine. So it is wrong to say that the famine was caused only by Stalin, as specified in the lead. Stalin was among the perpetrators, not the sole perpetrator. The current wording suits the lead the best, if any reader wants to get more info over the Holodomor, they can click on the main article. Stuntneare (talk) 11:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

pronunciation of Taras Shevchenko

Is [tɐˈrɑz ɦrɪˈɦɔrowɪtʃ ʃeu̯ˈtʃɛnko] correct? Why isn't Тарас tɐˈrɑs? And how is Леся Українка pronounced? --Espoo (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Suggest you ask at Talk:Taras Shevchenko Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Remove “Pre-war” from description of the size of Ukraine.

Describing the size of “pre-war” Ukraine is tantamount to accepting Russian claim to Ukrainian territory. To say ukraine WAS a certain size is incorrect. Ukraine IS an internationally recognized size, which includes all occupied and illegally annexed territory. “Pre-war” must be removed from the opening paragraph, if this page isn’t run by Russian bots. 174.208.227.195 (talk) 17:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Section on 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine needs to be re-instated

While Putin has asked that Wikipedia not list Russia's invasion of Ukraine as an "invasion," I think that this has been the most notable war in recent Ukrainian history, and that it deserves its own section in this article again. It had its own section from February through August then without any discussion here, others deleted this section and muddled up the recent history of Ukraine so that it's not even in chronological order any more. The person who tried to kill this article around the end of July by trying to merge it with another article did so anonymously without even a user-name. Thoughts? Perhaps this article needs more editorial restrictions? Silly-boy-three (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

First Reference to the Russo-Ukraine War

The article introduction mentions "pre-war" before mentioning the Russo-Ukrainian War. The terrority that is the Ukraine has been a part of several wars, including World War II. The introduction could benefit from a proper first Reference. 173.72.189.180 (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)