Talk:Prince Andrew, Duke of York: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 22:08, 12 September 2022

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Prince Andrew, Duke of York article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2: 90 days

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Aviation: Biography C‑class

This article is within the scope of the Aviation WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.AviationWikipedia:WikiProject AviationTemplate:WikiProject Aviationaviation articles

C

This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

This article is supported by the aerospace biography project.

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Military / Peerage and Baronetage / Royalty and Nobility B‑class

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage (assessed as Mid-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (assessed as Mid-importance).

British Royalty B‑class Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject British Royalty (a child project of the Royalty and Nobility Work Group), an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to British Royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.British RoyaltyWikipedia:WikiProject British RoyaltyTemplate:WikiProject British RoyaltyBritish royalty articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Aviation / Biography / Maritime / British / European / Cold War / Post-Cold War C‑class

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

C

This article has been rated as C-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military aviation task force
	Military biography task force
	Maritime warfare task force
	British military history task force
	European military history task force
	Cold War task force (c. 1945 – c. 1989)
	Post-Cold War task force

Scouting B‑class Low‑importance

	Scouting portal Prince Andrew, Duke of York is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Scouting and Guiding on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, WAGGGS and WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ScoutingWikipedia:WikiProject ScoutingTemplate:WikiProject ScoutingScouting articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

London B‑class Low‑importance

	London portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles
B	This article has been rated as B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Daily pageviews of this article

A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 5 times. The weeks in which this happened:

Not a descendant of the King?

Andrew’s mother was Queen Elizabeth, who’s father was King George VI. So how is Andrew not a descendant of the king? 2600:8806:F48:1D00:3041:26B6:3CEE:E22E (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Language describing rape allegations

The fifth paragraph of the "Allegations of sexual abuse" section begins "Giuffre asserted that she had sex with Andrew on three occasions, including a trip to London in 2001 when she was 17." Near the end says "Giuffre stated that she [...] 'wouldn't have dared object.'" If she wouldn't have dared object, why does this say "had sex with" instead of "was raped by." Even assuming the other two instances were after she was of age, this is an allegation of rape, not consensual sex. Is the reasoning that she hasn't been publicly quoted as describing it as rape? The title of the section is "Allegations of sexual abuse" so it could at least say "was sexually abused by." The phrasing, to me, feels like it is not properly representing the weight of this allegation. AwesomelyToad (talk) 23:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there aren't any rape allegations, then we can't say that there are. See WP:BLP and WP:OR. Sources must explicitly make such a claim. DrKay (talk) 23:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article Incorrectly Claims he was Duke of York

That title, as well as all of his military titles was stripped from him by his mother, Queen Elizabeth in 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:2221:f500:818f:a05f:f164:f32c (talk • contribs)

No, he retains the peerage. DrKay (talk) 21:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

The Guardian says the $15,000 was a loan[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/12/jeffrey-epstein-is-dead-but-questions-remain-for-prince-andrew] and The Evening Standard says she was paid $15,000 to go to London[https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/who-is-virginia-giuffre-suing-prince-andrew-b950026.html]. The claim currently in the article is not in the citations at the end of that sentence. A reliable source is needed, and the content should be balanced against other claims of what the money was for. DrKay (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022

It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at Prince Andrew, Duke of York. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".

The edit may be made by any autoconfirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the {{ESp}} template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

‹ The template Edit semi-protected is being considered for merging. ›

Epstein was convicted of sex trafficking, not “convinced” 220.236.14.170 (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 36: / Line 36: @@
 The Guardian says the $15,000 was a loan[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/12/jeffrey-epstein-is-dead-but-questions-remain-for-prince-andrew<nowiki>] and The Evening Standard says she was paid $15,000 to go to London[</nowiki>https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/who-is-virginia-giuffre-suing-prince-andrew-b950026.html<nowiki>]. The claim currently in the article is not in the citations at the end of that sentence. A reliable source is needed, and the content should be balanced against other claims of what the money was for. </nowiki>[[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 21:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022 ==
+{{edit semi-protected|Prince Andrew, Duke of York|answered=no}}
+Epstein was convicted of sex trafficking, not “convinced” [[Special:Contributions/220.236.14.170|220.236.14.170]] ([[User talk:220.236.14.170|talk]]) 22:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)