User talk:Theroadislong

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Need your suggestion please

Hi!

I am new on Wikipedia and I need some guidance.

I have come across a profile where it states that the subject “leads street photography workshops”.

Example - Matt Stuart (photographer)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Stuart_(photographer)

Is that not promotional? Isn't that similar to selling a product on Wikipedia?

Does leading photography workshops comes under notability?

Can you shed some light on this please?

Thanks, David

David curator (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

It is sourced to a very reliable source so probably acceptable if it was sourced to their own website it would be a different matter. Theroadislong (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Noted that both the sources are very reliable. Thank you so much. David curator (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Draft rejected

Hello !

I wrote on the "ask for advice" and made some modifications after the response, but was told that as it was rejected nothing can be done anymore ? So the article won't ever exist ? Philippe Martin Art (talk) 10:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Is another review possible ? Would love an insight if some things need to be perfected. Philippe Martin Art (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Philippe Martin Art Your draft has been deleted because of a copyright violation, you will need to start again, please read WP:YFA first and declare any conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Theroadislong May I please know what copyright violation ? I went to read that article, I have no conflict of interest to declare. I saw in that article "Seek out a sponsor" from a close field and saw that you created many artists pages. Would you be able to help with that page please ? Philippe Martin Art (talk) 13:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Philippe Martin Art I am not an admin so cannot see the deleted draft Draft:Galerie Philia it does not appear to be a notable topic so I would not be interested in helping, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 13:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Namburi Paripurna draft

Hi, can you please take a look at the Wikipage for Namburi Paripurna which you relegated to a "Draft" earlier? I worked with others to gather some independent references to add to the article. I guess it meets the Wiki requirements now (although I still think there is a blatant bias here, as there are 100s of articles with no content or hardly any references except news of death reported in newspapers, just continuing without deletion.). Asooryampasya (talk) 15:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry but their own books and interviews are not reliable independent sources, and please don't accuse me of bias, that is a personal attack, there are indeed many other poor quality articles, see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 15:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

7 out of 12 references right now are news articles and encyclopedia articles about the author. Of course, there is always a scope for improvement and more references, but isn't that continuous improvement the whole purpose of a Wikipedia article? If the first version should contain each and every reference available, what is the point of claiming Wikipedia needs more representation of women writers and stuff? Bias comment is not about you. It is about Wikipedia's well known bias against women, which is documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia - this is a Wikipedia article. I took your feedback, asked around, and asked others too to edit the draft and improve it. I have nothing to gain or lose in this. I am not the author nor am I related to her. I am just another reader who thinks her work deserves a Wikipedia page. So, the only take home message for me is that Wikipedia is primarily for non-colored, male people. It will take a while before I can attempt to change or create any edit on Wikipedia again about Telugu people - male or female. Asooryampasya (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I have not reviewed the article again, I merely commented that they would need to pass the criteria at WP:NWRITER and that their own books and interviews are not independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Please look at the below list I have given. These 5 independent sources talk about her works and life.- Ravichandra (talk) 17:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am listing the independent references cited in the article.

• Article from Andhrabhoomi, a reliable Telugu news paper published an article on her.
• A book mentioned her contributions towards Dalit literature. It is not a passing mention, almost 1.5 pages of information is given.
• Andhra Jyoti another notable Telugu news paper published independent article about her life and works
• BBC Telugu published article includes her work
• Hans India, Another Indian news paper talked about her writings.

May I know why these sources are not considered for notability of the subject? Ravichandra (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I have accepted the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. - Ravichandra (talk) 18:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Linda Adler-Kassner

Hello, thank you for your review comments. I have made another attempt at removing / editing out the inappropriate promotional language in the "professional work" section. Any additional guidance or comments are greatly appreciated. Bcernst (talk) 19:56, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Why Did You Leave A Bad Comment On My Draft?

Now This Is Serious. Draft:Zone Of Oceania Excludes Samoan Countries And Adds 2 Untalked Sections. This Article Is About The Location Of Oceania Itself And Not The Continent, As Well As About The Part Of Indonesia In The Guinea Island. SpyridisioAnnis (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

It wasn't a bad comment? Your draft is completely unsourced and it's not clear why the content can't be included in Oceania. Theroadislong (talk) 07:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Marta Romashina

Hello, @Theroadislong

I have read your comment on my draft and have made changes accordingly, added few other realiable references and changed the layout. Please let me know if you can add any other suggestions for this page. Thank you. Cheekystore (talk) 13:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Forge Theological Seminary

Regarding your comment, "not remotely clear why this is a notable topic? Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC):" The institution is just as notable as other established entries (e.g., The North American Reformed Seminary; Whitefield Theological Seminary; Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary), fitting within the list of Reformed seminaries in the United States (see template) and the List of Calvinist educational institutions in North America. According to the Notability Policy regarding organizations and companies, "notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." There are at least two sources cited in the draft article. IRGRand (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

See other stuff exists and you have zero independent reliable sources I'm afraid and the three articles you mention are all tagged for poor referencing and lack of notability.Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I cited both a book and article that are both independent. My comment was not "This article exists, therefore this one should too." Rather, my reference to the other articles was regarding their notability and to the subjects inclusion in longstanding wiki lists. IRGRand (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles with significant content written about the seminary in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Theroadislong (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The palpable inconsistency is tiring. Your claim that the draft reads like an advertisement is unfounded. IRGRand (talk) 16:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk for other opinions, there is absolutely no inconsistency, that other poor quality articles exist is irrelevant, they need fixing, we don't need to add even more. Theroadislong (talk) 16:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Danville Mass Transit

I must disagree with your decision to decline the article. I don't see how it could possibly be understood as an advertisement, considering the language used and the fact that this is about a public transit agency, not just some random company. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people rely on the service, yet there is no article about it is a problem. Additionally, there are 9 sources cited, 2 of which are from the agency's website regarding the timetables/routes and transit center. Timetables/routes cannot be found anywhere else so the claim that the article relies too much on that agency's website is frankly absurd. Znns (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Bebras Competition

Dear Teroadislong,

I improved the Draft:Bebras Competition and resubmitted it. Is there anything that still needs improvement or should this be sufficient to be published as per the current version?

Thank you

Editor1278 (talk) 11:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Noah Zuhdi

Hello, I see that you made an edit on my draft about Noah Zuhdi, but I cannot tell where the edit was. It has been about seven weeks since my review submission and then your subsequent edit a day later. I didn't know if you were the one to review it or not. I am just afraid of the status of my draft, especially since the last review went sideways with feedback about an article needing to be mainly about my subject when all articles were mainly about the subject and had his name in the article title/headline. If you can provide any advice on my draft or are able to review it, I'd appreciate it. Thank you for your time and consideration. Przybylop (talk) 16:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I did some minor editing for style per WP:MOS here [1] Sports are not really my speciality so I will leave it for another reviewer. Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I appreciate it. Przybylop (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Xsoundbeatz

Hello

I have read your comment on my draft and have made changes accordingly, added few other realiable references and changed the layout. Please let me know if you can add any other suggestions for this page. Thank you. Timial13 (talk) 17:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Board of Trustees election

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My Article Was Rejected For Useless Reasons!

Capitalization Doesn’t Matter For An Article, And Wikipedia Does Not List It As A Policy, But Also, The Article Is Pretty Realiable That Not Even A Single Thing About This Is Forgotten In Blogs. Sources Are Mostly Some You Heard Of, So I Did Not Add Them. So The Next Time You Review Draft:Zone Of Oceania, I Hope You Accept It, And It Is Something Way Too Important For Wikipedia. That’s Not All, IT IS NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH! It Is Also Notable. SpyridisioAnnis (talk) 09:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Sources

Hello. I just want to ask why some other Wikipedia articles got accepted even though most of their sources come from social media websites? For example, this article;

Jonaxx - Wikipedia

I was just confused why the article got accepted but some of the writers' drafts got declined just because they have social media as their reference even though it was already processed through the WayBack Machine? Kaizen the Great (talk) 10:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

See other stuff exists, I have tagged it for the issues. Theroadislong (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Vladimír Geršl

You Commented my article: "This is blatantly promotional."

Well it is not. I Am not paid by the person, nor I know that person on some friend level. I am just interested in Czech developers and this one did not have an article on Wikipedia even though his career is quite important in our country.

Every biography is a promotion of the person it writes about, so I don't know what you want from me? Petr.michael (talk) 11:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

That was NOT my comment but I do agree with it. You say "Every biography is a promotion of the person it writes about" no that is absolutely incorrect, we only report (good and bad) content that has been written by reliable sources, promotion has no part to play in Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 11:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, what I wrote there is my summary of things I read about Vladimír Geršl. It is not some copy paste promotion material. You will not find it anywhere else written like this. So I don't know what to do about the article so it will meet your criteria. Do I have to "find some dirt" on him, so it would not be so positive?

By the way .. when we only report as you wrote. We still do a promotion of the person by it. If you wouldn't report on something it will be forgotten by time. So I think what I wrote isn't "absolutely incorrect" , it is just another view on the same thing. Petr.michael (talk) 14:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Zowey Rens

Hello! I just want to ask if is this draft okay? What other things do I need to improve in order for it to get accepted? I already cited reliable websites especially Google News and the subject is notable in India as well as in the Philippines for their contribution in different international anthologies. She was also the youngest Wattpad author who established her own publishing house in India, but no one has still made an article about that.

Draft:Zowey Rens - Wikipedia Kaizen the Great (talk) 12:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Her, being the youngest Wattpad author to establish a publishing house, was just posted on Facebook pages. Hopefully, someone will write an article soon about it. Kaizen the Great (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Glen_Melville_Reservoir

Hello,

I am currently teaching a group of students on how to edit Wikipedia. One of them wrote this article which you reviewed to mainspace. Another wrote this article but it got drafted. Both articles are from here which we used as a working list.

I have now made some input into the draft and resubmitted. I was wondering if you can take a look/review.

Cheers! OWilsn (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

editing of page mushtaq ahmad veeri

this page is still under process. there are many references which i can mention on time. i need time to complete this page. Toperthebest (talk) 05:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft

Hello, I have 3 Draft pages that need a review, I hope you will review it, have a nice day. Ahmedadeljaff (talk) 19:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Inviation to comment on AfD

Hello, as you are a very experienced editor and very fair, I would like to ask you to comment on AfD for Andrew Aziz and comment on Wikipedia:AUTHOR and Wikipedia:Notability (books).

Thanks. Bestwaytoedit (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why you have asked me to comment on this/ I tend to agree one of the other users who said "Non-notable, a stock broker doing his job". Theroadislong (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry that was a mistake here. I wanted to ask for an opposing editor to comment (against what I am voting, not votestacking) somehow messed up here. My apologies but thanks for the feedback. Bestwaytoedit (talk) 17:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Yesterday Today Tomorrow

Hello, in case you weren't already aware, Draft:Yesterday Today Tomorrow is meant to be proposed changes to the existing article Yesterday/Today/Tomorrow, by an editor who has disclosed their COI at their talk page. Storchy (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I have tagged the draft for deletion as a copyright violation of https://www.yttassociation.org/ytt-approach they would be better off requesting edits on the article talk page AFC is not required. Theroadislong (talk) 17:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, the COI editor is trying (if a bit grudgingly) to comply, but has struggled a bit with how to propose COI edits: see their user talk page for the thread.

I've removed what I think is all of the copyrighted text from that draft, though the rest of it looks like it was copied from someplace that I haven't found yet. Did you want to withdraw the speedy tag for now, since we haven't got a URL for the rest? Storchy (talk) 17:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done thanks. Theroadislong (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Fixed issues with Jackson Premium Outlets

Hi @Theroadislong, I fixed the issues that you brought to my attention. The article is framed neutrally, I removed any sources that didn't mention the outlets and/or Simon Property Group, and I removed the reference to Disney's Animal Kingdom (related to the Six Flags being the second biggest theme park). Would you please review again? Freeholdman12 (talk) 18:27, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

AFC "Emirates Draw"

Hello. Thank you for your feedback on my article. I saw that you rejected the draft Draft:Emirates Draw by stating that "It read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Article need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources" So the draft already got references from reliable, independent sources like Gulf News [1] and Khaleej Times [2] and I have added more references from independent, reliable, published sources like Al-Bayan (newspaper) [3], Al-Ittihad (Emirati newspaper) [4]. Please review. There are plenty of references available but I fear that adding more references would make it WP:REFBOMB because it is a small article. Thanks again. Fifthapril (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Amber Vittoria Draft

Hi! The reason for rejection for the Draft:Amber Vittoria page is unclear. Could you elaborate? Thanks! Anvz (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I declined your draft (not rejected) because the subject did not appear to be notable with the comment not clear how they pass WP:NARTIST? It has since =been declined again. Theroadislong (talk) 06:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Jreg

Can you help me make the Jreg article LilbigJ (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

You will first need to find multiple reliable sources that cover them in depth and with significant detail, YouTube is not a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

My submission got declined

Hello,

Just following up on my article submission about guitarist Jeremy Green:

I am a little confused at the article being declined, the reason given seems to be along the lines of no "expert" support of the artist's work. However this musician has worked directly with players who are considered legends on their instruments, resumes that include some of the greatest of all time in their genres. He also just completed a full album with one of the recognized world's best drummers Keith Carlock - (Steely Dan, Sting, John Mayer). My question is: don't these musicians represent the views of "experts"? Certainly their involvement in Jeremy's work is an 'expert' endorsement. These musicians are without question experts in their field, they put their name on his work and promoted it on their own promotion social media channels.

I am not arguing, I am just confused. Mbgirl13 (talk) 17:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

The reason was "references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)." Notability cannot be inherited, just because he works with notable musicians doesn't mean that he is notable. Please aslo note that Wikipedia and YouTube are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Request on 09:05:26, 13 September 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Iamstevezapp

• Iamstevezapp (talk · contribs)
  • $1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia approvers can’t seem to make up their mind about a page in submitting. First it was you need to cite sources, ok done. Second it was you need better sources, ok done. Then told it reads like an Ad not encyclopedia, ok so I fixed that I beefed up content and sources with articles from Billboard.com Guitarworld.com AP.net NPR Live Session Allmusic.com, and now I’m told it’s not enough? Help me understand why if I added quality sources that why did you decide it’s not enough just now rather than prior to the additions?

Iamstevezapp (talk) 09:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It is not clear how Draft:*repeat repeat passes the criteria at WP:NBAND can you suggest how they might? Spotify and radio set lists are not reliable sources by the way.

Comments on Inga Vesper

Thanks so much for your comments, I've taken out the Amazon and Goodreads sources. Ingabinga (talk) 14:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

ANI thread

An editor opened a thread about you at ANI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continued harassment, stalking, and interference by an editor based on professional disclosure. Please note that I am really a messenger at this point, I have no opinion on the merits of the thread. Ymblanter (talk) 16:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

My Beatles Worldwide Hits page

Hi - I am new to Wiki and don't know how this works but I see my suggested page has the comment that it is already covered by the Beatles Discography page. I don't think it is because mine is a list of all the hits the Beatles wrote and recorded - the Discography page is only a partial list of their own hits and does not include the hits they wrote. Mine has 300 hits on it. The Discography page has way less - nearer 50. But I don't know whether discussion is something Wiki does? DoctorStevieG (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I have moved it to Draft:List of the worldwide hits of The Beatles and removed the decline. Theroadislong (talk) 17:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

help with photo credit

Can you explain how to do the photographer credit correctly in this page (top image)? The photographer must be credited somewhere. I appreciate your help

Thank you.

Tamar Ovaryian (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

The photographer is credited on the commons page where they uploaded it, assuming that they did indeed upload it, if you uploaded it then it is a copyright violation if you are not them. Theroadislong (talk) 18:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Spelljammer

I wanted to check to see if once an article has started the AfC process, if it has to stay in that process. You declined a submission for Draft:Spelljammer: Adventures in Space; another editor flagged it to me as I've created a bunch of D&D book articles. I rebuilt it from scratch. If this was an article I had started myself, I would be confident in moving it into mainspace without the AfC process. But since it was started by another editor & declined in AfC, I wasn't sure if I could just move it. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Already accepted, good work, you can always move articles from draft if you are confident they will pass WP:AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 06:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Not understood

Hi, I didnt get what are you trying to say. I have already added so many references and citiations. And I am adding mre and more. Can you please make this clear. GuptaHarshita (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)