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Is Albany really "one of the oldest surviving settlements from the original Thirteen Colonies and the oldest continuously chartered city in the United States"?

Yes. While not the oldest surviving, continuously settled, settlement of the original Thirteen Colonies, the French fort of 1540 (see History section) is the oldest European settlement that was then resettled and is currently inhabited; the phrase "one of the oldest surviving settlements" is used so as to avoid confusion (claiming "oldest" strictly leads some to believe the article is making claims it is not). Albany is also the oldest continuously chartered city, based on the fact that it is definitionally a city (not just a settlement referred to as a city); New York City is the oldest chartered city, however it forfeited its original Dongan Charter in Leisler's Rebellion (1689). While New York City did in fact reestablish itself under its original charter, for two years the charter was not in effect, making Albany's charter the longest-lasting, continuously active charter (see History and Government sections). Furthermore, New York City consolidated in 1898 and adopted a new charter, which was further revised in 1938.

Nobody really knows what the "oldest" settlement in America is. Are you counting places where Native Americans lived? That's in the American Southwest. Are you saying it had to be "continuously settled"? Well define that, and find proof that at least one person lived there since the given date of settlement. It just can't be done. So we'll live with the "one of the oldest surviving settlements from the original Thirteen Colonies" claims, because, hey, it works.

The description of Mayor Corning's (a Democrat) term seems partisan and biased, especially with what seem to be kudos going to Governor Rockefeller (a Republican) for his effort in development during the same time. Should this be rewritten?

No. While the two may be of different parties politically, there is no refuting the fact that Corning's tenure was known for its efforts in sustaining the status quo. Rockefeller, however, was known for his want to always develop. These are well-known and agreed-upon facts, as are the outcomes due to these policies that have become clear in the recent decades. Note also that major portions of the history section of this article were based on a book by Paul Grondahl (political affiliation unknown), which is generally fair but somewhat critical of Corning; other portions are based on a book by John McEneny (D)—a self-proclaimed Corning idolizer—which is also generally fair but somewhat supportive of Corning.

Facts are facts: Corning hated change and Rocky loved it. That's not to say this article praises or criticizes what Corning or Rocky did. Many are still unhappy that I-787 took over the waterfront (a Corning blunder) and many still ~~dislike~~ ~~hate~~ detest the architecture of the Empire State Plaza (a Rocky blunder in their eyes). But you don't see that commentary in the article.

I heard/saw a McDonald's commercial that claimed that Albany was originally known as Kayderosseras (KI-yuh-DARE-uh-STARE-us), but it also said Beverwijck (BEH-ver-vike) was acceptable. Which is more correct, if either?

Beverwijck was definitely the first name of the settlement that eventually became the city of Albany. The community settled around Fort Orange (later Fort Albany) and incorporated as a village in 1652. This map shows what the small community looked like at the time; the village was within the protective stockade.

Kayderosseras was a large land patent dating to the early 18th century essentially making up the land north of the Mohawk River and west and south of the Hudson River (yes, south: the Hudson turns west as one travels closer to its source). The land was not within the borders of present Albany County (though it was back then since Albany County made up most of upstate New York) and it was not within Albany's city limits. This idea is false. Locals may recognize the name due to the creek in Saratoga County. Others will notice the distinct resemblance to the vanilla ice cream-orange sherbet swirl, Kaydeross Kreme, sold at Stewart's Shops; the name is not a coincidence, coming from the Saratoga Springs-based company.

Don't trust a marketing campaign, at least not completely.

There's not much mentioned about literature and film. I remember a book/movie/poem/etc. that had to do with, was written/produced in, etc. Albany. Why isn't it here?

Admittedly, the main authors of this article aren't 100% versed in the literature and film of Albany. If you know of something relating to this subject, please start a new thread below with the proposed content addition and someone will respond. Your content should meet the following criteria:

It should be reasonably notable, even to someone that doesn't live in Albany.
It needs to have a reliable source, preferably something online to link to (please include the link with the content).
It can't be too long. Two to three sentences, maximum.

Looking forward to the suggestions!

We can add stuff, but it must be relevant, interesting, and sourced. And it can't be too long; this article is already long as it is.

Why isn't there a section on arts?

Good question. The main authors of this article admit they are not very familiar with the art community other than knowing that Art on Lark and the Albany Institute of History and Art exist. Before rewriting this article, there was a section in Culture called "Artistic community". We have no problem including it (in fact, we wish we could!), however we don't know where to find the sources necessary to verify the claims. The verbiage can be found here. If you have sources (preferably online ones), feel free to update the draft and leave a comment on this talk page mentioning the change. Not until the section is complete will it go live, however.

We aren't trying to disenfranchise anyone, we just don't have verifiable sources to back up the original claims. And... we don't really know what we're talking about when it comes to this subject.

Section sizes

Section size for Albany, New York (48 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	15,055	15,055
History	50	46,899
Mohican, Mohawk, and Dutch before 1660	5,287	5,287
British occupation to 1800	5,366	5,366
Plan of Union	1,168	1,168
Revolutionary War and real estate	2,608	2,608
Early decades of American independence	1,750	1,750
1800 to 1942	18,577	18,577
1942 to present day	12,093	12,093
Geography	5,161	10,670
Climate	2,888	2,888
Cityscape	412	2,621
Neighborhoods	2,209	2,209
Demographics	17	29,749
City of immigrants	7,090	7,090
Religious participation	9,441	9,441
Modern overview	22	11,198
2020 census	11,176	11,176
Crime	2,003	2,003
Economy	2,151	5,432
Tech Valley	3,281	3,281
Arts and culture	70	33,171
Nightlife and entertainment	3,926	3,926
Festivals	5,536	5,536
Museums and historic sites	5,880	5,880
Literature and film	5,154	5,154
Architecture	12,605	12,605
Sports	12,319	12,319
Parks and recreation	7,053	7,053
Government	6,821	10,537
Politics	3,716	3,716
Education	10,340	10,340
Media	8,429	8,429
Infrastructure	19	9,683
Transportation	63	9,664
Highways	1,736	1,736
Trains	1,186	1,186
Airport	1,443	1,443
Bus	3,955	3,955
Boat	1,281	1,281
Sister cities	1,676	1,676
Notable people	81	81
See also	369	369
Notes	52	52
References	28	28
Bibliography	3,680	3,680
Further reading	2,833	2,833
External links	2,316	2,316
Total	210,372	210,372

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I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have landed on this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here indicating if I have concerns or not.

In general, I see the process as this: 1) Give the article a quick look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, resolving any minor issues as I do so; 2) If I have concerns, open a GAR to see how serious those concerns are, resolving them myself if they are not serious; 3) If during the GAR I feel that there is significant work to be done (more than I can or am willing to do myself), I will put the GAR on hold and notify the main contributors.

My aim and intention is to keep the article listed - I would rather the article was improved and kept listed than the article is delisted. Where a delisting seems likely due to the amount or nature of work needed being greater than I am able or willing to do alone, and the main contributors are unavailable or unable for whatever reason to do the work, then appropriate WikiProjects will be notified at least seven days before a delisting would take place. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very well researched and attractively presented article, with a professional level of prose. I don't have any serious concerns; however, points for consideration:

At 61 kB (10142 words) of "readable prose", the article is over the limit of the average concentration span so is demanding a lot of the reader, and has exceeded what is generally considered WP:TOOBIG for Wikipedia. Long articles can be off-putting for a number of readers; some people may not engage with the article due to its size, or find it tiresome to navigate for the information they want. Some serious consideration could be given to trimming this to a manageable size in order to encourage more readers to engage with it, and to make it more manageable and enjoyable for those readers who do engage with it. To balance that, there are times when an article's size is justified by the depth, range and complexity of the topic. However, to put it into context, Bulgaria is 44 kB (6953 words), China is 65 kB (10266 words), and Malaysia is 52 kB (8281 words).
The article is richly illustrated. However, thought could be given to how helpful many of these images are: there are three images crammed into the Transport section, giving us illustrations of the airport, a station, and the port, each of which has their own article, which a reader could visit if they want to know what the airport or station look like. WP:MOSIM advices that images should not sandwich text - something that happens in several places. Some reduction of images might be useful.
The WP:Lead would benefit form some attention. There are several short paragraphs, and the information may not be presented in the best order. MOS:INTRO advises that the opening paragraph should define the topic. When asked to describe the essential points of Albany, that it is one of the oldest surviving settlements from the original thirteen colonies is perhaps more important than that population was 97,856 in 2010.

Though I feel the above points somewhat distract from what is otherwise an excellent article, they are debatable editorial points, and are not serious enough to further question the listing. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Albany, NY Fire Department Suggestion

Can someone please help link to this orphaned article? Gbawden (talk) 07:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a link to Template:Albany, New York, which is at the bottom of the article. --Albany NY (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs Updating

I don't have time right now to gather the references to update this article, but in case someone else can get to it, I'm noting that the information about the public and charter schools is out of date. Several more charter schools have been closed in the last few years and according to the school district enrollment is increasing in their schools is increasing because of these closures, as well as increases in the school age population. Perhaps it would be better to eliminate such facts rather than have data that needs frequent updating to stay accurate.samtha25 (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, it is grossly out of date and the city school district's *increase* in enrollment is dramatic. Will hunt down some refs. DMorpheus2 (talk) 18:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done DMorpheus2 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Montage

What's the reasoning for removing the montage? I don't think age really matters, the (blocked) editor is throwing out the baby with the bathwater on this. It's not as if the skyline has been drastically altered.

If the disruptive editor keeps this up I will escalate the situation to ANI or SPI. Buffaboy ^talk 23:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The article states that "Beverwijck" translates as "Beaver District" in English. That is not correct. It is a literal translation of the words "bever" and "wijck" (modern Dutch: wijk), but Beverwijck was named after its Dutch counterpart in the province of North Holland and that name has nothing to do with beavers. You may check this reading the history of the Dutch village of Beverwijk. 82.95.79.140 (talk) 07:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Bias in intro section?

Much of the text in the introduction section sounds like it was written as a promotion for Albany. Such examples include "It marshalled the power of immigrants and their descendants in both cities", " Albany is known for its rich history, commerce, culture, architecture, and institutions of higher education", and "Albany has been a center of higher education for over a century", whatever that means. (Maybe define the meaning of "center"?) Also, there are several paragraphs of "Albany had the first x" between citations 11 & 12 that aren't cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:E488:5500:C132:6DBD:F85D:9AFA (talk) 05:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. It really should include the popular image of Albany as the USA's center of political corruption DMorpheus2 (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fortune 500 headquarters

The second paragraph of this article is mostly incorrect. I am certain that most of the companies listed here (merrill lynch, american express, goldman sachs, general electric) are not headquartered in Albany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.252.38.101 (talk) 13:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Dubious elevation

Currently the info box says

Lowest elevation (Sea level (at the Hudson River)) 0 ft (0 m)

I'm deleting this because its location on the Hudson River is not at sea level (if it were, the river would not flow to the sea). Hopefully someone can find a source with the correct info (and check if the figure for highest elevation is correct). Loraof (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Loraof: Belatedly

Fixed

𝒬 𝔔 00:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed 2 feet as its lowest elevation. The Poughkeepsie article states a zero elevation, so there seems to be a pattern of using the river as a zero datum. 68.196.165.94 (talk) 01:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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			::I noticed 2 feet as its lowest elevation. The Poughkeepsie article states a zero elevation, so there seems to be a pattern of using the river as a zero datum. [[Special:Contributions/68.196.165.94\|68.196.165.94]] ([[User talk:68.196.165.94\|talk]]) 01:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)