Talk:Belgaum

Name

It may be time for us to revisit this move discussion. Six months ago, we determined that the old name for this town was still the common name. Since then, there have been many anonymous editors who tried to rename the article, and it is now protected to prevent disruption. The search results now are fairly evenly split between the two names, but the newer media articles all seem to prefer the name Belagavi. The Times of India, for example, uses the term Belagavi almost exclusively, using Belgaum generally to refer to the district or organization that still use the former name. Bradv🍁 12:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

It appears only anonymous users want to change the name. Any as of March 23, 2019, the name dispute is still continuing, but this time, changing the name throughout the article, so it's inconsistent with the title. I've reverted the changes as a reviewer consistent with consensus here, thereby inadvertantly entering into the content dispute. Blah! It's a legitimate dispute, nobody's right or wrong here. When I googled 'Belagavi', it returned results for 'Belgaum'! We need stability, and I'm voting to leave the name as is. Sbalfour (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Belagavi Pramod123123 (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

Please change the name to Belagavi 2409:4071:2390:10B2:147C:1428:4960:70BE (talk) 05:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: see previous requested move Interesting Geek (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2022

27.97.197.220 (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

May 2022

@More eminence: Do not use unreliable sources in the article. Go through WP:RS and WP:RSN, About Belgaum is not a reliable source. Secondly, do not put unsourced content, third do not falsify content like you did by replacing pop figures for Kannada with Marathi. This kind of POV is not entertained in WIkpedia. Discuss your concerns here and seek WP:CONSENSUS per WP:BRD. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Those are not just unreliable source but if come and ask any old age members of the city they would reply you the same . I myself born and brought up in the city , so I know much better about it than any one. Look like you are against the marathi voice!? More eminence (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

And about the MES article, whats the problem with you about the ideology they follow? They can follow any ideology who are u to stop them ? . Listen my dear friend you might be an expert in Wikipedia but I am an resident of the city so please I know what am I editing. You people just don't want marathi to be recognised by people and spread hatret More eminence (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Wikipedia articles are properties of Wikipedia and not of any organisation or a person. Thus, the articles should follow the policies and guidelines laid by Wikipedia, including WP:V, usage of reliable sources WP:RS, no original research and maintenance of WP:NPOV, among others. In other words you are not a reliable source. Secondly, maintain WP:CIVILITY when conversing, comments like "Look like you are against the marathi voice", "You people just don't want marathi to be recognised by people and spread hatret", will get you into trouble.

Third as for the Maharashtra Ekikaran Samiti, per WP:NOINDICSCRIPT, Indian scripts are not allowed in article leads and infoboxes, This specific article is not a special case. It is done in every India-related article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: This falsification of source data is exactly the thing that can get you blocked. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok about the script of MES why are you editing the ideology? They can follow any ideology they want Why are you editing it ?

More eminence (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: If the 'Karnataka occupied Maharashtra' part you added here can be sourced then re add that with a citation. I removed it since it was unsourced and looked very much POV. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Is this an sufficient source to do so ?? More eminence (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/will-incorporate-karnataka-occupied-areas-into-maharashtra-uddhav/article33592882.ece More eminence (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Yeah you can use the above source to add the 'Karnataka occupied Maharashtra' part in Maharashtra Ekikaran Samiti I believe. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks brother! Can you please tell my why was image of Sambaji Maharaj removed from belgaum post ? More eminence (talk) 01:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Is the Sambhaji statue located in Belgaum? The image description didn't say anything like that. Previously, I removed a similar image of a statue of Sambhaji located in another city. Only images of locations, buildings, statues, institutions from the city of Belgaum should be added. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes ! Dharmaveer Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj chowk is the most important circle in the city . It's located at the centre of city and its a pride of city , I had uploaded an other photo just because it was clear You can check on Google maps (Dharmaveer Sambhaji Maharaj Chowk VG55+P6F, Kirloskar Rd, Raviwar Peth, Belagavi, Karnataka 590001) And one photo need to be uploaded is about the most famous garden in Belgaum which is an important landmark of the city ! With your all permission can I add that photo to ? Please verify on maps (Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaja Garden RGX8+2W3, Kapileswar Colony, Shahapur, Belagavi, Karnataka 590003,) Please guide me sir More eminence (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: The image you posted before is a statue of Sambhaji in Pune. The full image is this. We need an image of Statue in the Dharamveer Chowk in Belgaum with proper licensing / free licensing.

As for the garden, please link it here in the discussion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

File:Dharmaveer Chatrapati Sambaji Maharaj Chowk , Belagav.jpg Will this be the required image?

And about garden you said I really didn't get what you meant, so please can u tell me once more! More eminence (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The image is More eminence (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: I have added the Dharamveer Chowk image you provided in the infobox with proper formatting. As for the garden, I was asking whether you have that uploaded in commons? IF yes link it here like you did with above image. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

First I really thank you brother for uploading that image and would like to say sorry also for being rude to you ! You have helped me understand Wikipedia in a better way and would always remember it

So about the Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj garden The images are And More eminence (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Image <ref>File:Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj garden belgaum 4.jpg<\ref> More eminence (talk) 18:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence:I've added this one, since the venue is a garden and should a bit of the surroundings per my opinion. Are these pictures clicked by you? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you sir ! Sir can this article of Deccan Herald be suitable for the edit of cuisine of belgaum . Like in Belgaum north karnataka food is not common,it's a mixture of Maharashtra,goa and karnataka. Also puran poli , vad pav etc which I had edited but you reversed it , please guide me whether those edits can be remade using this source? <red>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html<\ref> More eminence (talk) 02:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Sry this one <ref>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html<\ref> More eminence (talk) 02:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

//www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html More eminence (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the Cuisine section as per the content in the source you provided. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ? More eminence (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk:Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ?

More eminence (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ? More eminence (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Check my revision [1] and the accompanying edit summary. The term was said by Thackeray in the source, so I've added it in the paragraph and did not remove it. It should not be part of the section header. Belgaum border dispute is enough, also we do not put sources in the headers per guidelines. Secondly, it should be part of the Government and politics main section since the dispute is a political one. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

First thing let me tell you it's not just a political one , it's a dispute which even common people of the city aslo participate with any political intentions. It's a part of city since independence and city has got national recognition for this dispute which is between two States.Secondary when uddhav Thackeray says it he was a chief minister of a state which means it was a voice of 12 crore population of Maharashtra whom he represents and not a single person.Even this issue is acknowledged in the Maharashtra assembly also so it's not a small topic as you think . And yes link in header is wrong and I accept it but it should be a seperate header. Hope you got my point brother More eminence (talk) 18:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has its own rules which are different from the politics and other things of the region the Wikipedia article is dealing with. Secondly, this is an article on Belgaum city not an article on the border dispute, thus only major changes relating to it should be added. You have added unsourced content, it should be removed, or better expand it in the Belgaum border dispute article with sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure I totally respect to the rules of Wikipedia.But just wanted that the dispute is an important aspect of belgaum city , it's not a simple political agenda for sure . Thanks for your all time support. But just wanted the header to be mentioned as "karnataka occupied Maharashtra" as well because this is the name by which local people reffer it to and even entire Maharashtra as reffer it as same , so I request you to kindly permit me to mention "karnataka occupied Maharashtra" in the header as well . And always you support and suggestions. More eminence (talk) 22:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

No, Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra or Karnataka-occupied areas is most likely used by Marathi speakers only, and not by Kannadigas or anyone else in the world most likely. So it is a POV term used by certain people, thus should not be allowed per our WP:NPOV. Consider a similar situation on a broader scale → Azad Kashmir. It is the official name of the administrative region in Pakistan, but India calls it Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, a term not used in the article, and is only used in context in prose. Similarly Belgaum border dispute is the article name (WP:COMMONNAME), there is no reason why we should modify the subsection name into certain POV when the article's name itself doesn't use the phrase Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra. Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra as a phrase is only suitable in the prose of the section, which I have sourced and copy edited per Uddhav Thackeray' comment. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok I accept it sorry More eminence (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2022

Kindly request to add Veera Rani Kittur Chennamma and Veer Sangolli Rayanna photo along with Chatrapaji Shivaji Maharaj Amey400 (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

1. Wiki header should be changed to " Belagavi" and article informatio. should contain the unofficial name or old name Belagaum inside the article . It seems to be the other way round. 2. More edit requests will follow once the first one is rectified. 2601:40B:8402:4920:992A:7765:5EFB:E6BE (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: see WP:ON small jars tc 16:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 March 2023

Belgaum → Belagavi – official name was changed in 2014, and Majority of the Reliable sources published after that are using the "Belagavi" so as per WP:NAMECHANGES the article is eligible to rename as "Belagavi" , Sources which are using "Belagavi" : The Hindu, The Times of India, The Indian Express, Deccan Herald, Mint (newspaper), Asian News International, Hindustan Times, Free Press Journal etc ... . ಹುಲಿ🐯 ^talk 20:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)