Talk:Critical race theory

"Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct with no biological basis?

Seem to me that there's something wrong with this sentence, but I don't see how to fix it: "Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct with no biological basis." First of all, it makes it sound like all scholars of CRT would agree with this. I doubt that's the case. Secondly, it is speaking about race, not racism. There are those believe that race is something that exists as a biological thing, one would think, depending on how the word "race" is used. It's a confusing topic (for many). The sentence just seems extreme or whatever. Can someone who understands this topic better reword it? Misty MH (talk) 21:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that this is accurate - race is a social construct, and that's not strictly a position held by scholars of CRT. If anything I would question its inclusion for how it zeroes in on scholars of CRT as opposed to most scholars across disciplines. Genetics studies have been especially illuminating on the subject, but if you just think about ways to separate groups of people by phenotype, there are far more options than hair type and skin tone that are more closely connected to heritability than those two markers. It's a historical accident that a genetic group on one extreme end of the skin color spectrum ("white") found themselves at the top of the resources heap, specifically in weapons, at the same that global technologies advanced to a state where it was possible to move massive populations across the world. That accident led to their dominance over other cultures in the advent of the modern era which ended up being more lasting than past epochs. If that same technology had come about in the high middle ages, the world would have middle eastern Islamic culture, west African, or Chinese culture at the top, and they would have invented a completely different set of imaginary pseudo-scientific biases to justify their place above the rest of the world. Curugh.Firetone (talk) 21:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Race is manifestly not a social construct. But what is more important is that CRT - surprise, surprise! - is self-contradictory, because it claims that 'white people' exploit neutral laws to 'oppress people of colour'. Talk about having your cake and eating it ...

Public controversies

Thread retitled from "Public controversies - false and misleading information (source - 181)".

False and misleading statement made - “ In early 2021, Republican-backed bills were introduced to restrict teaching about race, ethnicity, or slavery in public schools in several states” (source 181 - from cbs article https://web.archive.org/web/20210613004743/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/critical-race-theory-state-bans/). This statement accurately quotes the article, however the article is baseless as none of the things mentioned in the quote above are mentioned in Bill 377 which CBS uses as its predominant source. (Bill 377 - https://web.archive.org/web/20210613011006/https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sessioninfo/2021/legislation/H0377.pdf) Upon reading this bill it is evident that the cbs has falsely reported on the law, and this has resulted in the misleading quote above being put under “Public controversies.” The actual bill states: “ (a) No public institution of higher education, school district, or pub- 11C school, including a puplic charter school, shal_ direct or otherwise compel students to personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to any of the rollowing tenets: (1) That any sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin 1s inherently superior or inferior; (11) That individuals should be adverselv treated on the basis Of their sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin; (iii) That individuals, by virtue of sex, race, ethnicity, reli-gion, color, or national origin, are inherently responsible for actions committed in the past by other members of the same sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin.”

This needs to be edited to represent factually accurate information. This is one of many problems that Wikipedia seems to be continually encountering. Editors need to check the sources of their sources. This is a lazy mistake. These types of lazy mistakes are being made on a recurring basis and result in a misinformed and divided public with high levels of cognitive dissonance. 2600:6C50:B00:3927:C958:5AAD:4E70:C789 (talk) 02:38, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

The bill itself is a primary source, not to be relied upon. There are some news sources that summarize the bill more faithfully to its content:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/06/idaho-critical-race-theory

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/us/critical-race-theory-idaho-bill-trnd/index.html

https://www.idahoednews.org/top-news/legislative-roundup-4-29-21-little-signs-nondiscrimination-bill-but-questions-anecdotes-and-innuendo-that-birthed-it/ Sennalen (talk) 03:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Agree. We use reliable secondary sources for interpretation of primary sources. TFD (talk) 04:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Peer Review

The section titled Cultural nationalism/separatism can be added on to by speaking on the reparations given to Native American tribes due to their land being stolen. They're most notably in the north near the border of Canada. I think you can find some good things here. Other than that, I think the article you've made so far makes sure to keep the integrity of the message while also adding on relevant ideas. The tricky thing about ideas that have already been presented is that it's hard to specify what should be added. I suppose adding more articles to add on to some of the emptier subtopics later down in the article would up the effectiveness. Hope this helps! Overall, good job! ASPASP09 (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: The Economics of Social Justice and Injustice

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Relevance of comment in lede

Is "rather than criticizing or blaming people" really a relevant comment? This is not included in other article uses of the term "critical"; Critical theory (which is very much related), Critical period, Critical point, etc. etc. Zilch-nada (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)