Talk:List of wars involving Bangladesh

"Naf War"

I removed the entry for the Naf War. The ref seems to be to a three day skirmish referenced here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1106521.stm. Springnuts (talk) 15:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Pratapaditya

Raged Bengali Wiki, provide proper citations with title, author name, publication, page numbers and quotations for the content you have added. I will check it again in few days. If you fail to do so I will remove them again. If you keep readding unsourced content/falsifying sources, I will have no other option but to report you. Please refer to WP:RS, WP:CITE to learn which are reliable sources and how to cite them in an article. A.Musketeer (talk) 03:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

NVM, appears to be a sock. A.Musketeer (talk) 04:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I am quite sure! Can you please file an SPI, A.Musketeer! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I mean user Mr.Victoren398 seems to be a sock! Ekdalian (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I just did. Also, please do not move the page without discussion. Thanks. A.Musketeer (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Recent Move & Revert

Hey A.Musketeer, can you please explain your logic in support of keeping 'Bangladesh' in the article name and not the more appropriate 'Bengal'! As Lancepark had mentioned while moving the article, 'accuracy for the Bengal region proper: eastern (now Bangaldesh) and western Bengal', you seem to have reverted them as well citing the same reason! Please share your objection. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Bengal is a historical geography as the article states. However, this list also includes modern wars and battles fought by Bangladesh, so titling it "List of wars involving Bengal" would be highly inaccurate. A.Musketeer (talk) 13:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry A.Musketeer, if we go by your logic, we have to split the article into two, and all pre-Bangaldesh information should ideally be moved to the other article on Bengal! Hope you understand, the formation of Bangaldesh as a separate nation is a comparatively recent event in history. I can smell Bangaldesh related POV from your talk page! Pinging neutral experienced editors.. @Fylindfotberserk, LukeEmily, Admantine123, and Aman.kumar.goel: please share your opinion. Thanks Ekdalian (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Before 1970s, we had lot of wars involving the region. And i can see that most of the events are from that period only. So, i will support Ekdalian in this case. The move is unjustified.-Admantine123 (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Since most of the article is about wars before the creation of Bangladesh in 1971, it would be highly inaccurate to name it "List of wars involving Bangladesh" and an obvious case of WP:POVPUSH. I'd Support move of List of wars involving Bangladesh → List of wars involving Bengal. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Ekdalian, there is no POV from my side, this article has always been titled as List of was involving Bangladesh for years, I'm not sure why we are even having this discussion. There is also a List of wars involving South Korea, nobody is trying to move it to List of wars involving Korea. Besides, as I said, Bengal is a historical entity and the list also includes modern wars and battles. For instance, both sides of Bengal participated in Indo-Pak wars of 1947 and 1965, but in opposing sides, so how would you explain those wars? If you want, you can create another article titled List of wars involving Bengal but please do not not move any content from here. A.Musketeer (talk) 21:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Also pinging @LucrativeOffer, SRS 00, and Nafis Fuad Ayon: for their opinions on this matter. A.Musketeer (talk) 21:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

We shall not act as per your wish; rather we shall follow the consensus! I have reviewed your talk page, and will take you to AE or an appropriate admin's talk page for POV pushing on South Asian topics! Till now, the consensus seems to be in favour of my move (any neutral editor would support me, needless to mention). Anyway, I shall wait for others, if they wish to respond! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Making personal attacks will rather weaken your own case. There is no consensus here. If you wish to move the page, start a WP:RM first. Please do not engage in move wars. A.Musketeer (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

A. Musketeer, actually it's your case that is weak. Bangladesh was not in existence when the most of the events included in this list took place. This original article should remain the list of war involving Bengal only. In future, if it becomes voluminous enough, when Bangladesh will participate in new wars, you can think of seperating it into two.- Admantine123 (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

If you think my case is weak, please feel free to start a WP:RM and get a consensus to move the page. I am not sure what you meant by "Bangladesh was not in existence". The usual manual of style of these lists is to include all the wars involving current and predecessor states like List of wars involving South Korea, List of wars involving Sri Lanka, List of wars involving Myanmar and others. Thanks. A.Musketeer (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian and A.Musketeer:, Bengal is divided into two parts -east and west. These wars are not restricted to only the eastern part of Bengal, were they? Or are you sure that in every war, eastern part of Bengal was always involved? If no, it is not accurate to call them "List of wars involving Bangladesh". It can be called "list of wars involving Bengal" and we can specify that part of it includes present day Bangladesh(partly). Hence I agree with Ekdalian.LukeEmily (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Just keep the title as it is. Bengal is a geographical/cultural region, not a political entity. Bangladesh is a political entity. We don't have any article on List of wars involving Arabian peninsula but we do have List of wars involving Saudi Arabia. If anyone thinks West Bengal is underrepresented here may be they can create List of wars involving West Bengal. LucrativeOffer (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

A.Musketeer, are you pinging experienced neutral editors or selective ones with less than even 500 edits who would support your Bangladesh related agenda!

By the way, LucrativeOffer, what you effectively mean is two articles having the same content but two different names!! Please note that we are here to build an encyclopedia, not to promote regionalism! We haven't tried to represent West Bengal, but what we want is Bengal which represents the article correctly. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

• As a casual observer, I would comment that the state of what is now Bangladesh was prior to 1971 but subsequent to the Partition of India was known as East Pakistan, and was part of the territory of Pakistan. Furthermore, Bengal was and remains a culture within the subcontinent of India and its military history is separate from those of the modern nations in which it now exists. I hope that these points will inform any future discussions regarding the appropriate title for this subject. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
• Ekdalian, you are still engaging in personal attacks which shows you have nothing serious to argue. I do not have any agenda. The title of this page is perfectly okay per WP:TITLE and WP:LISTNAME. The content includes wars involving Bangladesh and its predecessor states just like any other such lists i.e. List of wars involving South Korea. Your time is best utilized elsewhere my friend. A.Musketeer (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 3 October 2023

List of wars involving Bangladesh → List of wars involving Bengal – Most of the wars mentioned in the article belong to the entire Bengal region and not restricted to the eastern part i.e. present day Bangladesh. Ekdalian (talk) 08:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Support Mehedi Abedin 12:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - As discussed earlier, the list is titled perfectly as per WP:TITLE and WP:LISTNAME, no convincing reason given to change the title. All of these wars listed here involved the country of Bangladesh and its predecessor states, following the convention of other such lists like List of wars involving South Korea for instance. A.Musketeer (talk) 00:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

  All experienced editors, Fylindfotberserk, LukeEmily and Admantine123 have supported the proposed move in the above section 'Recent Move & Revert' citing the same reason! Fylindfotberserk has even explained, Since most of the article is about wars before the creation of Bangladesh in 1971, it would be highly inaccurate to name it "List of wars involving Bangladesh" and an obvious case of WP:POVPUSH. I'd Support move of List of wars involving Bangladesh → List of wars involving Bengal. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

This is clearly canvassing, you have selectively pinged editors who support your position to vote in this RM. Not that the argument is convincing anyway. A.Musketeer (talk) 22:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Per my opinion in the discussion above. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

As for the comment above by Musketeer - "All of these wars listed here involved the country of Bangladesh" - A case of distorting facts I see. The Pala Empire, Bengal Sultanate, Bengal Subah, Bengal Presidency, etc weren't restricted to the new state of Bangladesh. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no distortion of facts. Please refer to Banglapedia - Ancient Bengal, Bengal Sultanate, Bengal Subah, Bengal Presidency all of these are considered predecessor states of Bangladesh. Nobody is claiming the wars were restricted to the current territory of Bangladesh, some of the wars even involved what is now Myanmar and Pakistan. Now would you propose a rename to List of wars involving Asia? It would be as stupid as it sounds. A.Musketeer (talk) 22:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: extending to establish clearer consensus. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Wars are fought by political entities. The country of Bangladesh is a political entity and all these wars involved the people of Bangladesh in different periods of its history. Bengal is a geographical region. Renaming this page to 'List of wars involving Bengal' doesn't follow the existing norms in Wikipedia (we don't have any pages on List of wars involving Arabian Peninsula or List of wars involving the Balkans). LucrativeOffer (talk) 02:46, 12 October 2023 (UTC)