Talk:Morocco

Mention of Mauritania as a bordering state

An editor removed the mention of Mauritania bordering Western Sahara on the reasoning that it is irrelevant. Western Sahara is treated as a territory, nevertheless disputed, of Morocco on the map. So should Mauritania be mentioned, or only bordering states and regions of undisputed territories? Hamamat32 (talk) 22:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Western Sahara is mentioned as being south of Morocco. This is a fact and the wikilink to Western Sahara is there for anyone who wants to learn more about it and the other countries that border to it. M.Bitton (talk) 23:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Morocco's borders stop at the 12th parallel, over 30 kilometres (19 mi) north of the northernmost point of Mauritania. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

The Sharifian empire

I noticed that the Sharifian Empire, which was the name of the nation from the sixteenth century until before the French protectorate in Morocco, is not mentioned anywhere, The Sharifian Empire even has a separate article in Wikipedia in the following languages: French, Spanish, Arabic, Dutch, and Romanian. And I'm wondering if the article were translated into English using the same sources, would it be published? 102.38.8.5 (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

@Smartshri99: you didn't answer the question. Where did you get the 400BC from and why are you introducing a sock's wish? M.Bitton (talk) 10:46, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

https://books.google.de/books?redir_esc=y&id=F-8uAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Kingdom shri44 (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

If you have no intention of answering the question, then please do me a favour and don't waste my time with cryptic nonsense. M.Bitton (talk) 15:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Countries with coastline in both the Atlantic and the Mediterranean

Shouldn't the UK be included as well, given that Gibraltar and parts of Cyprus are UK territories? 31.124.181.40 (talk) 09:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2023

the land thats marked as western Sahara is Moroccan and there’s Moroccan people and families living there and they hold Moroccan nationality with Moroccan ID 41.141.128.134 (talk) 22:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this and the Western Sahara article say otherwise. M.Bitton (talk) 23:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2023

Morocco founded in 789 AD 196.113.9.93 (talk) 12:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 12:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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the creation date of the country is wrong. The country was created in this date 789 AD. The date quoted in wiki is the Independence Day. Not création date. Thanks Nuritcka (talk) 10:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits

@Hamamat32 I suggest you to start using the talk page before you risk getting blocked for violating WP:3RR. Clearly, your edits are not improvements since it looks like all you've done was revert to an older version of the page. I have no idea why you would remove the hatnote that clarifies the potential reference of "المغرب" to the Maghreb region (which you did not explain in your edit summary). Furthermore, the official language you changed is recognized as Standard Moroccan Amazigh, not Standard Moroccan Tamazight, and it's commonly referred to as Berber (just as the other official language indicates "Arabic," not "Modern Standard Arabic"). The change you made, which "tweaked the layout," does not make much sense either. There is no need to repetitively include "(Arabic)" and "(Standard Moroccan Tamazight)" after every Arabic and Berber phrase in the motto and national anthem. Take a look at the formatting of the infobox on other country pages, like those for Tunisia and Algeria, to get an idea of how it should appear. Skitash (talk) 20:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I told you, I did not revert to an older version, and you defiantly violated 3RR, with four reverts in the span of a day ([1], [2], [3], [4]). I explained in the summary of my first eidt that the "about addition" is unneeded, which is referring to the "المغرب" note. As this is the English Wikipedia, having that at the top of the page is unnecessary since it's not a common mishap among English speakers and readers. As for the other changes you and Hero7373 made, they are what I would call not improvements. I do not see anything wrong with having the languages clarified in parentheses, nor with the SMT wording, and adding an additional name in the lead is also unnecessary. Regarding the examples you mentioned, other stuff exists. Hamamat32 (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Once again, you have failed to explain how your edits are supposed to constitute improvements to the page. XTheBedrockX's edit [5], which you have blatantly reverted without an explanation, is entirely valid, considering that English Wikipedia is not restricted to English native speakers but rather to an international audience per WP:AUDIENCE, and therefore articles should be made more accessible and understandable for as many readers as possible. Hence, the Arabic name should be clarified for readers who encounter it across the article. Regarding what you personally perceive as improvements or not does not matter here, for this is a consensus-building platform where you can not expect to force your edits and mass revert several editors. All edits of the three users which you have unexplainedly reverted so far were intended to either clarify certain words, e.g. "المغرب" and "Berber," or reduce redundant repetition. Skitash (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd have to agree. There's a reason the "R from alternative language" shell template exists, after all. XTheBedrockX (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I honestly still think that the al-Maghrib disambiguation note is completely unnecessary, but alright, fair enough. I'll just change the wording to English to make it more intelligible to the non-Arabic speaking reader. As for the "Berber" phrasing in the infobox, I'll alter it Berber languages, as this is much less vague than just Berber but still not as wordy as Standard Moroccan Tamazight. Having the language clarified in parentheses in the motto and national anthem is fine, I don't see much of a reason for removing them. Hopefully this is a compromise that we can settle with. Hamamat32 (talk) 20:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

This won't exactly solve the problem. Maghreb and Morocco are two different words in English, unlike in Arabic. Morocco is not referred to as "Maghreb" across the article, and thus your proposed hatnote "For the subregion also known as Maghreb in Arabic, see Maghreb" is pretty useless. As XTheBedrockX said, there is a reason why the "R from alternative language" template exists. Your proposed edit to change "Berber" to "Berber languages" is inaccurate. Standard Moroccan Amazigh is one standardized language, unlike the several mutually unintelligible Berber languages that exist. Berber would be a more appropriate term as it is commonly used to refer to this standardized official Berber language. Regarding your final point, no, it is not fine just because you think it is. Take a look at any other country's infobox formatting. Skitash (talk) 20:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay then, Arabic wording it is. But your edits to the infobox are contested, and as such you'll have to gain consensus here prior to implementing them as per WP:CON. Therefore, I'll restore to the version before for now. Remember, you've already violated 3RR, so don't add this to the list. Hamamat32 (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)