Talk:Chinese Communist Party

Please change the name of this article to 'Communist Party of China'

The terms 'Chinese Communist Party' and 'CCP' have been associated with the Republican Party's xenophobia against China as well as microaggressions against Asian-Americans. As The Washington Post's Phillip Bump pointed out in a recent news analysis. Republicans have used terms like CCP as pejoratives to blame the PRC for everything wrong with the world, especially the pandemic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WakeFan1991 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Please read the very, very extensive discussion of this topic above. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 17:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

About the only time the Republicans talk about China is to malign it, so it really wouldn't matter what they call it. If they switched to using CPC,that would be used in exactly the same way. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

User:WakeFan1991 If you would like the name to be changed, please add "Support" under the move discussion above. Depending on the consensus of editors, the article may or may not be moved. Félix An (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I support the change to CPC for Communist Party of China. It is the Communist Party and nothing to do with the race of the Chinese people. That was a malicious name calling by politicians to smear all people of the Chinese race. Bengcheng (talk) 08:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2023

I request for the Category:Socialist parties in China to be added to the External Links. 95.151.245.1 (talk) 11:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Category:Communist parties in China (which this article is in) is already a sub-category of Category:Socialist parties in China, so per WP:CATSPECIFIC, I don't think it should be separately listed in the parent category.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023

"change this:

As of December 2022, individuals who identify as farmers, herdsmen and fishermen make up 26 million members; members identifying as workers totalled 6.7 million.[179][2] Another group, the "Managing, professional and technical staff in enterprises and public institutions", made up 15.9 million, 11.3 million identified as working in administrative staff and 7.8 million described themselves as party cadres.[180] By 2022, CCP membership had become more educated, younger, and less blue-collar than previously, with 54.7% of party members having a college degree or above.[177] As of 2022, around 30 to 35 percent of Chinese entrepreneurs are or have been a party member.[175]: 13  At the end of 2022, the CCP stated that it has approximately 7.46 million ethnic minority members or 7.6% of the party.[2]

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As of December 2022, individuals who identify as farmers, herdsmen and fishermen make up 26 million members; members identifying as workers totalled 6.7 million.[179][2] Another group, the "Managing, professional and technical staff in enterprises and public institutions", made up 15.9 million, 11.3 million identified as working in administrative staff and 7.8 million described themselves as party cadres.[180] By 2022, CCP membership had become more educated, younger, and less blue-collar than previously, with 54.7% of party members having a college degree or above.[177] As of 2022, around 30 to 35 percent of Chinese entrepreneurs are or have been a party member.[175]: 13  At the end of 2022, the CCP stated that it has approximately 7.46 million ethnic minority members or 7.6% of the party.[2]

A recent study[1] found that, between 2005 and 2018, a progressively higher number of applications to become CCP members came from those social groups identified as workers[2], while highly educated, white-collar workers did not apply with the same intensity. As a result, over the years, there has been an increase in the gap between individuals applying to become CCP members, belonging primarily to less economically advantaged social groups, and individuals admitted to the CCP, belonging to white-collar social groups.[3]

" Fa.angiolillo (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.  Spintendo  22:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2023

Please, add Han supremacy and imperalism as an ideology of the CCP. Donaldtrumpisatheist (talk) 18:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Not entertaining your request beyond this reply as, judging from your few edits today after creating your account, you are clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. Yue🌙 21:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

No mention of far-left?

Genuine curiosity, why is this not mentioned? Typically with a political party, its' idealogical stance is clearly stated as far-left, left, center, right, or far-right. The CCP is communism, marxist-leninism, etc. Marxism is undeniably far-left idealogically, somehow marxist-leninism isn't far-left (not sure how that works). Anyway, it'd be nice to have the political alignment along the left-right axis documented here. If disagree, please explain why. Thanks. 107.10.129.126 (talk) 11:58, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Political positions are relative. For example, what constitutes left in the United States is right-wing in many Western European countries. It's difficult to understand how the CPC - the only political organisation in China - can be deemed far-left when it controls the centre ground of politics in China. In the United States, the CPC would surely be far-left, but in China, where the communist party rules? One would have to think of them as the centre and those opposing as far-something. Liberal democrats are probably far-left in China since they want to overturn the system in some form of revolution. Far-right would probably be the nationalist corner and "the capitalists" who want to maintain party rule but replace the Marxist ideology with a capitalist one. TheUzbek (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, so does the Chinese Communist Party fall under the category of "big tent"? 107.10.129.126 (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

There have been numerous discussions on this matter in the past, and they have all ended without consensus. One argument that I found interesting was that the left-right political spectrum is a Western political construction and you cannot neatly put every political party on it, nor can you generalise parties as "big tent" because that label holds weight as well. In a nutshell though, the non-consensus consensus has been that it's too much trouble to keep it in the infobox and have constantly unfruitful debates as to why it is or isn't correct to label the party "far-left". Yue🌙 08:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the "big tent" both does not fit and fits very well! We can see from the Eastern European experience that many former communists suddenly become rightists. We also know from history that many good communists were very nationalist and favoured less spending on welfare, while others were anti-nationalists and supported higher social spending. So, in a sense, a big tent categorisation could be correct. However, the CPC seeks to educate its members in Marxism-Leninism, that is, a specific political value orientation. While history has proven policy and ideological differences are accepted within the realm of this thought system, it also has obvious limits (of course, in this sense, it is no different from liberalism). Policy factions within the CPC could probably be categorised as left or right (as some scholars have indeed tried to do). However, most scholars also admit that these factions (or organised groupings, to be more exact) do not have clear policy platforms. So, while Central Committee member A can, in theory, disagree on policy issues with Xi, before its adoption, if Xi's favoured policy is adopted, Central Committee member A has to accept he lost the battle. Central Committee member A cannot form a policy faction or group with other like-minded members - that would breach democratic centralism and he could be expelled from the Party because of it. So, policy differences exist within the CPC, but there is no organised platform or group that represents them. There are specific individuals, however. If there is any truth to the rumours, there might have been policy differences between Li Keqiang and Xi that could have been divided on a left-centre-right axis. But that is on the individual level.

That is, the CPC is not big-tent either. It's simply put a Leninist communist party that bans factionalism. TheUzbek (talk) 08:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Leninist communism is universally recognized as far-left idealogy. @Yue is incorrect in stating the left-right spectrum is a Western thing as many Eastern nations have political parties that are categorized on wikipedia per reliable sources as far-left, left wing, center, right wing, or far-right. Political parties in India, Cambodia, Vietnam, Japan, etc. It is worth noting that many historical communist leaders in the East studied in the West. Point being that it is customary to have a major party's idealogical skew in the infobox, but if consensus hasn't been met then consensus hasn't been met. 107.10.129.126 (talk) 21:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It is not my personal opinion and I do not subscribe to that view. I was not a participant in the previous discussions, I am simply answering your question: "[Why is there] no mention of far-left?" Yue🌙 21:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@107.10.129.126 But that was in multi-party systems. China is not a multi-party system. Communism is not treated as far-left everywhere either. Portugal and France comes to mind. TheUzbek (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

“Political compass” descriptions tend to be problematic across Wikipedia and lead to frequent edit wars and contestation. This is true even in characterizing politicians in Western democratic systems.

The overall problem is that “left right” are relative terms that say more about the speaker’s position, or their time and place, than they provide specific information. They are not very useful to an encyclopedia project.

The Democratic Party of the United States is described in American sources as a left political party. This does not make sense in a global political context, but in the American context it is indeed a fair characterization, as it is the leftmost party which can wield power.

Within the Chinese political context, left-right is even more imprecise. Can the CPC be far left if it criticizes “left errors”? Where does that leave further “left” political projects like Shengwulian? How does that square with changing policies of the CPC over time, or ideological contributions like the Three Represents?

As a relative term, left-right really tells the reader how the writer thinks they should think about the subject. All political labels and characterizations involve some amount of contestation. It is better to use more concrete labels with less disagreement in their meaning. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

China’s far left died in October 1976, when the armed forces backed a coup d’etat against the Gang of Four. The remaining leftist wing was further purged in the early 1980s (Chen Xilian! Wu De, Chen Yonggui! Et al). So, ‘in the contemporary context of Chinese politics’ it is no longer accurately described as “left” or “far left.” DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 17:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't even understand what you mean by this. Deng, Jiang and Hu were all communists. The reform debate ongoing in China which Deng & co pursued had already started twenty years earlier in the Eastern Bloc, and Yugoslavia led the way. And Deng began to lead the way. That is why Yugoslav-Chinese relations were so close in the 1980s. TheUzbek (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

It is completely fair to categorize the CCP as far-left idealogically. This is a hot button issue, though, so gaining consensus will likely be an uphill battle. 74.132.113.19 (talk) 05:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed 107.10.129.126 (talk) 12:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)