Talk:Igbo people

First book about the Igbo language in the West Indies (1777)

The correct German title of the book of G.C.A. Oldendorp (published 1777) is: "Geschichte der Mission der evangelischen Brüder auf den caraibischen Inseln St. Thomas, St. Croix und S. Jan", in English: "History of the Mission of the Evangelic Brothers on the Caribean Islands St. Thomas, St. Croix and S. Jan" (found by Google) --Tfjt (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you have the source? Is it reliable? Ukabia - talk 18:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Look here: Jorge A. Santiago-Blay: Medical Importance of Scorpions in Puerto Rico: A Preliminary Survey, page 316, Literature cited.[1]. Greetings from Düsseldorf, Germany --Tfjt (talk) 20:07, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've corrected it. Thanks! Ukabia - talk 21:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I doubt, Herodotus wrote about the people as well as their activities in Greece,I think that should be older, many literary works talks about the Igbo nation. Christian Ngozi (talk) 10:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Igbo tribes

The Igbo had no supra-tribal govt at the beginning of the colonial people, but we do not list the Igbo tribes. Which were the primary units of tribal identity then, and which do people identify with today? — kwami (talk) 09:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have known people who identified themselves as "Ibo", but have never met anyone who self-identified as "Igbo". I am not trying to introduce contention, but I suspect that there is some story behind this, and that it may deserve mention in the article. I see that a number of people claim that "Ibo" is a colonial mispronunciation of "Igbo", but nobody seems to have bothered to trace it's origin, or explain why the linguistic classification is always "Igbo", even when "Ibo" is used to refer to a people. This seems a likely area for research.

Your Y chromosome is not your ethnicity

People who do not understand population genetics should not be allowed to talk about "Igbo chromosomes". There are people in England who know of no other ancestors than Englishmen who show up with "Igbo Y chromosomes". There are just very few of them. That's population genetics, and this is unrelated to ethnic identity.

People who try to construct ethnic origins based on classification of their Y and mt-DNA are just on an ego-trip to build their private narrative about "roots", and this isn't notable outside of their respective biography articles.

Genetics are just a very, very small part of the concept of "ethnicity", and the Y-haplogroup is just a very, very, very small part of the field of "genetics".

Like any other ethnicity, Igbo people are those who participate in Igbo culture and tradition. Most of them are in Nigeria, a few of them are scattered as part of the Nigerian diaspora. --dab (𒁳) 10:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Years needed in first footnote

I've been trying to find the years for the sources mentioned in the current first footnote that talks about Igbo population. The Nzewi book referred to is the following:

Nzewi, Meki (1997). African music : theoretical content and creative continuum : the culture-exponent's definitions. Olderhausen: Institut für Didaktik populärer Musik. ISBN 9783930915798.

I'm not sure what the Mushanga reference is. Maybe this? I'm waiting for it from library reserve to confirm... Ender and Peter 01:39, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

So, it was definitely not that Mushanga book because I checked it out and on page 166 is an article written in French that doesn't mention the figure "20 million" or "20 millions" anywhere. Unless someone can find this "Mushanga" source, I'm going to delete that part. Ender and Peter 17:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Ibo

I'd be fine with using Igbo as the more correct name even if it weren't now the more common one (which it is) but this historical importance of the name Ibo necessitates including and bolding it in the lead, not burying it in a list with names like Heebo in the middle of the article. — LlywelynII 04:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

pronunciation

My impression, which could be totally wrong, is that the name of this people is usually spelled "Igbo" in English, but the "g" is regarded as silent in spoken English, so it's pronounced /ˈibo/ in English. If this is correct, it would be good if we can give readers some guidance about the pronunciation, so they don't go around saying /ˈɪɡbo/ and getting laughed about by their friends. – Greg Pandatshang (talk) 22:21, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The /gb/ sound is a digraph which is very different from any English sound. In English, /ibo/ sounds better than /igbo/. The actual word 'igbo' and other words containing digraphs are generally difficult for people outside West Africa. TEK1 (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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For editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. As this will almost certainly result in the removal of the "genetics" section from this article, I'd encourage any contributors to voice their opinions there. --Katangais (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Controversial edits

@ChiefPrinceAndDuke: Can you please explain what you're trying to achieve with your contributions to this article. You changed population figures from 34 to 55 million, without any verifiable source to back that up. You added "erroneously" to the alternative form of Igbo (which is verifiable, based on a high number of sources who use the name), which is pretty much a [[WP:NPOV|non-neutral adjective). You removed information about subgroups who dispute the Igbo Identity, even though they are backed by verifiable sources. What exactly are you doing?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 02:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I did not change the population figures to 55 million. You can check the page history before making unnecessary accusations. Secondly, Ibo is an adulteration of the term "Igbo" and it is a verifiable fact. That many people use it does not make it correct. I don't even understand why you consider the Igbo Jews as a distinct ethnic group. Do you even know what an ethnic group is? Igbo Jews are merely people of Igbo extraction who practice a form of Judaism. Then again, since a large number of the Ekpeye subgroup believe that the are Igbo, whilst some others believe they are not, to avoid controversy and for neutrality and impartiality, isn't it better leaving them out of the list entirely? You asked me what I'm trying to achieve? I'm trying to correct misinformation, because billions of people the world over depend on Wikipedia to make sense of the world around them. Now my question is, why did you remove Asaba and Port Harcourt from the list of major Igbo towns and cities? ChiefPrinceAndDuke (talk) 07:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

• What I'm concerned about is, the population figure and the "erroneous" you kept adding. Like I said in one of the edit summaries, explanations on how a word came about is not included in the lead. For example, "Eko is a corruption of the word, "Oko", but you don't see the explanation in the lead, but rather in the Etymology section. That's how it is done per WP:MOS. Wikipedia works based on guidelines, not what you think is right.

Also, I wasn't the one who added the subgroups with disputed identities, but the citations, next to the claims confirm the claims; a quick google search also confirms the dispute, that's the reason I kept reverting your edits, because it isn't following the Wikipedia's guideline of Neutrality.

@Ochmany: can you kindly provide reference to the statistics you're adding about the populations.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:20, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

You keep making that mistake. I did not add those population figures. I do not add what cannot be satisfactorily verified. ChiefPrinceAndDuke (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• But you're adding an information in the wrong section. Check out other articles, and check the sections where explanations of their words are given.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

@Jamie Tubers: Why do you keep on editing this page, resisting new information and smuggling controversial statements without verifiable sources? You claimed that many Anioma do not consider themselves Igbo without backing it up with a verifiable source? You repeatedly removed a line information the reader why the pronunciation "Ibo" is erroneous though it has a verifiable source right next to it. If only you had bothered to open that link. Having gone through your edits on this page, I have just discovered how glaring your partiality and bias is. I have always maintained that Wikipedia is not an avenue for advancing personal opinion, hearsays and agenda. If you desire a platform where your personal opinion is the gospel, I recommend that you create a blog. ChiefPrinceAndDuke (talk) 08:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

• Read the reply above.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

How are Igbos related to Ibibio, efik, ogoni etc

How are Igbos related to groups like the Ogoni and Ibibio? They live close to each other but what is the relation to each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibua (talk • contribs) 17:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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"Ṇ́dị́ Ìgbò"

What is the reference for this spelling? Not even Igbo language is aware that Igbo should be spelled Ìgbò. I with grave (Ì) is not part of the Pan-Nigerian alphabet. The Igbo language page references "The current Ọ́nwụ́ (/oŋwu/) alphabet, a compromise between the older Lepsius alphabet and a newer alphabet advocated by the International Institute of African Languages and Cultures (IIALC), was agreed to in 1962." Are we using this? Or is "Ṇ́dị́ Ìgbò" an example of IIALC spelling? Why would you even impose this on the article without citing a reference? The diacritics are useless if we aren't told whose orthography we are looking at. --dab (𒁳) 09:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I now understand these indicate (low?) tone. According to Igbo language, "tone is not normally written". Not sure if we need it here, especially as it took me ages to find out what it meant. Reference the spelling, and then add a footnote explaining what we are looking at. --dab (𒁳) 12:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Organization is spelled incorrectly 2601:183:8480:3E29:951B:CEFB:8831:7F0A (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2017

Add that similarly Bahamians also use "yinna" to refer to "you all" near the mention of Jamaican's use of "unu". 2601:154:8000:104:30AA:B5BE:B0DB:2189 (talk) 01:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Gender and Igbo Culture

I added a tidbit of information to the culture section of the article about traditional constructs of gender. Please feel free to correct, revise, and add to this information because I feel that it needs more attention. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winchell97 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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The Igbo Early chiefs

The Igbo people of southern Nigeria were at a time led by Nubian chief's who retained the title to their names, the practice was observed among the southern Igbo groups. For instance, the Arochukwu Legend known as "Eze Agwu" maintained a Nubian title to his name, however, he was called "Inubia Agwu" likewise other Nubian chiefs who lived among the Akpa caves shared a variant title known as "Nubi", however examples include "Nubi Osim" or "Nubi Akuma," though, both names appear to be Igbo names with Nubian titles. The two Nubian titles observed were "Nubi and Inubia" but in reality its the same title but varied due to differences in dialect, for instance among the southern Igbo groups the word for a leader or chief is "Ezeyi" or "Eze" , there could many more variance observed depending on the dialect of the speaker. The early chiefs exercised executive authority over their districts or clans, which could include the creating policy frameworks for trade, commerce and development in the society. They also organised the various units of the political structure which is the okpara system also referred to as government Ndi Okpu. The local executive chiefs is also responsible for protecting the masses, training the young and preparing them for war if necessary. The Igbo nation had no executive kings, because the political structure was not established based on hereditary, rather it was a republican system and could not have been a kingdom, the best among the men leads the people. Achievement and merit were key instruments used to select Chiefs into their varying localities. After the Nubian chiefs settled, certain group of priest kings began to surface for instance Njoku in southern Igbo groups and Nri among the northern Igbo society, several others emerged at competitive rates. These priest kings engaged into religious services and later influenced the establishment of city states explaining the various dimensions of Chukwu to sorrunding ethnic groupd, which influenced the development of markets in Ife, Ogiso, Idah, Aro, Ewe etc. These religious chiefs became a part of their host community and lead them well. The various Igbo thoughts about God shared abroad is Ose-na-buwa(Osebuluwa), Oghene(Oghini), Oricha(Olisa), Obasi(Obashi) which was received as Osenobua, Oghene, Orisha and Abasi among the Ogiso's, Urohbo, Yoruba's, Efiks Ibibio. The Igbo nation aside from their executive and religious chiefs, also had present a society of Judges known as The Ikpe society or the leopard cult. Christian Ngozi (talk) 01:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2020

The people are popularly known as IGBOs not Ibo Menkay (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021

Nigeria has never conducted an ethnic census so Igbos are not 18%. Stop that falsehood..Stop that lie SAINFIELDCASTRO (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Igbo people constitute over 22% of Nigerian population size SAINFIELDCASTRO (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2021

Chudibiz (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Igbos are more than 15.2% of Nigeria. They were formally estimated as 18% of Nigeria. Actually they are more than 20% of the entire Nigerian population. Establish users please correct this error.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 10:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Ibo and Igbo

Chapter 4 of African Founders: How Enslaved People Expanded American Ideals by David Hackett Fischer (Simon & Schuster, 2022) https://books.google.co.il/books?id=4whuEAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false, especially pp3-4-5, refer to Ibo and Igbos as if they refer to different groups. Mcljlm (talk) 17:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I am a man, and the man of the century and the man of my house so to be frank I personally feel like i should be able to edit or this would be an outrageous act and I would by law be required to sue you for all of your money due to the square root of the perpendicularity of the triangular prism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Governmentiscrazy (talk • contribs) 16:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022

Igbos did not kill twins. Please consult Igbo scholars—not Yoruba scholars who are trying to re-write Igbo history. 2600:1700:D2E1:1F40:1C18:6124:4EBD:B740 (talk) 19:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Twin killing

Not accurate! Please consult Igbo scholars before publishing this nonsense. It was the Efik tribe that killed twins. 2600:1700:D2E1:1F40:1C18:6124:4EBD:B740 (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Igbo descendants

Most numerous in Virginia and Maryland, as opposed to the Caribbean and Latin America. Please keep your cite accurate. Again, consult Igbo scholars before posting on Wikipedia. 2600:1700:D2E1:1F40:1C18:6124:4EBD:B740 (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2023

I hereby request to have the page updated with historical facts Okwudilichi (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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"The Things fall-Apart Novel by an Igbo Author Chinua Achebe"

This line is a mess in respect to diction and capitalization, but there's no option to edit it.

It should be "The novel Things Fall Apart by the Igbo author Chinua Achebe" 2602:306:C4CE:B769:38C8:F0BF:90B6:F60F (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

What about the Egbo Society and the dreaded Egbo men?

The 1910 book Folk Stories from Southern Nigeria, West Africa by Elphinstone Dayrell refers frequently to the Egbo men of the Egbo Society, which was something like a priestly class, but was more-clearly a society of independent judges and executioners who decided when some action against social norms merited death by torture. Sometimes they're said to have supernatural powers. They're always described as independent from, and not subject to, the local ruler. There are multiple references to ritualistic occasions when everyone in a village must hide indoors from the Egbo men, who roam around and beat anyone found outside. This ritual is also described in the 1920 book Dr. Hitchcock of Uburu by W.P. Livingstone (p. 21), which is set in Igbo territory. They were obviously hugely important in 19th-century Igbo life; yet there's no mention of them here. Philgoetz (talk) 02:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

minor edits

> Igbo secret social orders likewise had a stately scriptcalled Nsibidi.

"script called"

> Igbos had a schedule where seven days has four days

The next paragraph is close to what the source says, but this part got mangled, and it should be "calendar" not "schedule." 71.34.65.112 (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2024

There are no credible sources in academia or popular culture that support the claim that the Biafra flag is considered by some to be the ethnic flag of the Igbo people. That claim should be removed. Prime Malik (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide explicit reasoning as to why citation 35 does not properly support its claim B. Then, reopen the request when actionable so it can be reconsidered.
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Etymology

Can you prevent people with certain agendas from spreading falsehood about the term “Igbo” origin? Has nothing to do with Igalas. 204.197.177.13 (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)