Talk:Gay men

Not a prude by any means, but...

...I don't think it does the cause any good to have 3 images of purported historical "gay sex" on the page. It reduces the concept to a merely sexual one. Also, I'm skeptical the Pre-Columbian image is even contextually appropriate as there is nothing in the image notes declaring it an image of gay men in particular, or even of two men, for that matter. Haven't we gone to great lengths to demonstrate that homosexual acts don't define gay men? Greyspeir (talk) 18:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

There is quite a bit that I don't agree with in that comment. I'll start by saying that the only 'cause' here is the creation of an encyclopaedia that (as neutrally as possible) reflects what reliable sources say about a subject. The fact that, as an editor, I may or may not also be a gay man must be irrelevant to what I contribute to this effort (full disclosure: I identify as a exclusively homosexual cismale human). Second, three images out of 34 in the article is about as far from reduc[ing] the concept to a merely sexual one as you can get! If anything, it's emasculating. Sexuality is a key element of gay men's experience (at least it has been for me). Being encyclopaedically neutral does not require being neutered. Lastly, those are sections about the historical views of gayness. It is anachronistic in the extreme to pretend that gay men (by whatever term may have been in use in the time and culture presented) were not at that time largely defined by, often celebrated in, and usually depicted through their sexual expression. To retroactively emasculate them is, in my view, highly disrespectful of the lived experience of millions of gay men throughout history -- including me. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 19:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

We can disagree on our philosophy then. I won't lose sleep. I do have a problem with some of the images being clearly "men engaging in homosexual acts" rather than images of "gay men". There is no indication in the sourcing of the images to indicate they are gay men. Greyspeir (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Other info missing?

What about gay men in sports, Asian and other media, politics, etc? George Ho (talk) 19:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah there is a lot missing in this article—most notably, positivity. It’s so negative and depressing and ignores so much of the positive, cultural topics. Sports being one of them. Feel free to add a section and cite some sources. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 03:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

Victor Nedkov is on the list Gorgrimale (talk) 10:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Image in wrong place

The image of Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum (Egypt, Africa) is placed in the Americas section. --2804:2FB0:70D:2A00:80CE:EB40:2F2F:47A8 (talk) 17:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is a display artefact based on screen layout and resolution. The image is correctly placed in the article (as in, the article's Wikimarkup) but displays incorrectly if the article itself is viewed with a larger screen. For me, I see it at the bottom of the Americas section on my large monitor. If I shrink my browser to a narrower layout, it displays in the correct place. I've seen this behaviour in a lot of pages, normally when an infobox 'squashes' the text. The only way I've seen to fix this is to move the image lower in the section. Anyone have a better solution? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't we change the picture?

Shouldn't there be another imagine instead of this one? Since the Apollon et Cyparisse by Claude Marie Dubufe, 1821 is crealy a depiction of greek mythological pederasty, I think we should change it. 2A02:2F00:3203:3200:4939:FB23:EC70:E19B (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Past versions of this article used File:TwoMenKiss.GayPrideParade.WDC.10June2017.jpg, and was replaced last month, with the rationale that Apollon et Cyparisse is SFW and a renowned painting. I agree with your reasoning (that it's better to illustrate this topic with real people) and I've gone ahead and restored this as the first image in the article. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 04:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)