Talk:Homer Simpson

Please add comments to the bottom of the page

Use the "+" tab link instead of the "edit this page" tab link above to add comments. Make sure to add four tildes (~~~~) to sign your name at the end of your comment. As of now, go to the article checklist at the bottom of this page to see the most recent addition. J. Finkelstein 21:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, PLEASE ADD RELEVANT CULTURAL INFORMATION TO THE ARTICLE

Or at least, post a link to a source that has cultural information on this talk page so that somebody else can put it into the article. When we get some good cultural information, we can start cutting out some useless list-y information. J. Finkelstein 02:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Userbox

• Heres a userbox for you Homer fans: {{User:Scorpion0422/Homer Sexual}}

d'oh!This user is a possible Homer Sexual.

Contradictory Comedy

I think a lotta this stuff may be fruitless. The Simpsons is full of contradictions, plotholes and bad continuity - something which is often played upon by the writers for much of the humour in the later series.

Rewrite

I am going to slowly work my way through each section and rewrite them. I will remove anything that is POV, pointless, extraenous, original research, overly trivial, uncited and generally odd. -Localzuk ^(talk) 19:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm up to the Health Issues section but am giving up for the night. I will be back tomorrow to carry on. I am hoping to get this article at least back up to Good Article status. If anyone can go through and add <ref></ref> style references to particular episodes where needed that would help a lot.-Localzuk ^(talk) 23:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Right, I have made a lot of changes to the article. It still needs a lot more work to reduce the over-reliance on his fictional details and increase the information about his influence on society, his creation, how his voice is produced etc...-Localzuk ^(talk) 16:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section

I am moving the trivia section onto the talk page so that anything useful can be worked into the rest of the article. As it stands, it has very little value in the article as it is difficult to read, too long and contains a lot of pointless things. Take a look at WP:TRIVIA and WP:AVTRIV for information on how to use trivia more effectively.-Localzuk ^(talk) 22:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

• According to Simpson and Delilah, Homer's social security number is 668-47-8008.
• According to Blood Feud, Homer's blood type is A-positive and his earmuff size is XM.
• According to Duffless, Homer's eye color is blueish greenish yellowish.
• Homer appears to eat Comic Books from the Silver Age
• Homer's age is also given as 36 years in Homer the Vigilante and Homer the Heretic.
• In a few episodes Homer is seen playing the lottery and he always gets two liberty bells and one cherry.
• A 55 I.Q. would serve 25 points below the border of mental retardation (which is 80, but in English law is set at 70), the Forrest Gump character portrayed by Tom Hanks had an I.Q. of 75, 20 points above Homer's. A 55 I.Q. in reality would be considered extreme mental retardation and an individual with that I.Q. would in most cases have difficulty speaking, a very short memory and find it hard to purchase everyday items and above all, would never be able to drive a car, which Homer does often. Homer's idiocy in reality would be defined by an I.Q. between 70 and 90, rather than 55.
• Creator Matt Groening incorporates his initials (M.G.) into Homer; the "M" being the hair on the side of Homer's head and the "G" being Homer's ear.
• According to The Dad Who Knew Too Little, Homer's e-mail address is chunkylover53@aol.com.
• Once Homer bought a $1.00 package of Drake's Yodels instead of a lottery ticket that was $1.00 that he knew was a $500.00 winner.
• Homer is addicted to painkillers, mentioned in Behind the Laughter.
• Homer's favorite movie is Look Who's Oinking.
• His favorite band is Grand Funk Railroad.
• Also enjoys listening to The Rolling Stones, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and Cheap Trick.
• In a few episodes he is portrayed as a skilled guitarist.
• Helped his softball team win the championship game by getting knocked unconscious by a pitch with the bases loaded.
• Dreams of one day owning the Dallas Cowboys
• Owner of the Denver Broncos
• Has Don Ameche's Academy Award on his trophy shelf.
• Middle name is Jay.
• Proposed to his wife Marge with an Onion Ring.
• Has dislikes for: New York City, Mountain Dew, President George H.W. Bush and son George W. Bush, Hippies (although he was one in one episode)
• Once mistaken as Big Foot
• Served in the Naval Reserve
• Has been to: Japan (Thirty Minutes over Tokyo), Australia (Bart vs. Australia), Cuba (The Trouble with Trillions), Brazil (Blame It on Lisa), England (The Regina Monologues), Scotland (Monty Can't Buy Me Love), France (Bart-Mangled Banner), Italy (The Italian Bob), the Netherlands (Burns' Heir), China (Goo Goo Gai Pan), Canada (Midnight Rx), Sweden (Homer's Barbershop Quartet), Africa (Missionary: Impossible), India (Homer and Apu and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore), and outer space (Deep Space Homer).
• Other than being a Nuclear Power Safety Technician, he has also been: a country music manager, a clown, an astronaut, a minor league baseball mascot, a newspaper reporter, the owner of the Denver Broncos, a navel commander, a body guard, the owner of an internet providing company, a snow plow driver, an artist, a boxer, a circus freak, a server at a fast food restaurant, a grave digger, a missionary, a self-proclaimed inventor, the mayor of "New Springfield", a vigilante, the union representative of his power plant, a public safety advocate, the inventor of tomacco, a black jack dealer, the voice for an animated character, the inspiration for a bumbling policemen on a sitcom, the father figure for an orphan child named Pepe, inventor of the Flaming Homer, grand master of a secret society, a snitch, a 'Guitar Hero’, an employee of the Kwik-E-Mart, a greeter at Sprawl-Mart, and also a series of get rich quick schemes that never panned out.
• A character named Homer Simpson appears in Nathanael West's 1939 novel "The Day of the Locust".

Homer Jobs - Should their be a list of Homer's Jobs ?

Top Ten on Late Show

Homer appeared as himself on the February 13, 2003 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman to present his Top Ten reasons as to why he was excited to be on the show. The list:

10. I'm happy to reunite with my college lover Biff Henderson.
9. Free crackers in the Green room. Mmm... Crackers.
8. I can take advantage of low, low New York prices.
7. Uh, couldn't come up with this one.
6. I love the Dancing Itos.
5. I finally get to be on a real network.
4. Your minimum guest payment is the most money I've ever seen in my life.
3. Marge always puts out on vacation.
2. I get to raid your writing staff.
1. Paul and I have the same barber. Give me my money, Letterman. I want my money.

Likes

Homer is a fan of music by Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, The Who, Queen, possibly KISS, and The Beatles. He's also a fan of Sheriff Lobo, enjoys bowling and is also a fan of Rex Morgan, M.D.

Trivial information being added and more information required

Please can we try not to add little snippets of trivia unless it is absolutely necessary. For example, we do not need to know the name of the hair re-growth formula. If we don't keep the trivia out then the article is never going to be a good or featured article.

Also, can we try and add some more 'real world' information, such as his cultural impact, details of his creation etc...?-Localzuk^(talk) 16:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sexuality

The entire section on sexuality seems a little redundant. There's never really been any dispute over Homer's sexuality, so I don't see the point of listing every joy-inspired kiss and throwaway joke relating to homosexuality in the show's run.

The section claims that Homer is "severely homophobic". His predjudice has hardly been mentioned since Homer's Phobia, which is where all the evidence the section provides comes from. Since the ending to that episode centers around Homer accepting gay people, coupled with the acceptance he's shown in later episodes, I believe this is irrelevant. Shiro Sirius 21:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, is fantasizing about making out with a clone of yourself considered homosexual or just self-centered? Or masturbation? ;-) 65.95.157.80 06:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Its not gay its masturbation ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 12:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing "unsourced" template

Excuse me if I have missed out on previous discussions concerning this topic, but isn't the show itself the source for most of the statements in this article? I'm removing the "unsourced" template because of this. --Impaciente 19:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Each claim still needs a citation to their episodes. Else it is 'unreferenced'. Don't get unverifiable confused with this.-Localzuk^(talk) 19:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

105 IQ

Is an IQ of 105 really that smart? I've heard that the average is either 100 or 120, which certainly doesn't seem to fit how smart he was in that episode. 65.95.157.80 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The average IQ in any of the scales is 100. I believe they choose 105 as Homers higher intelligence just to illustrate how low it originally was. 85.225.24.12 14:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think its also to show how dumb evrey one in springfeald is if he is a genus compered to them ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

mysterious tv commercial

The seen from an episode where homer becomes a limo driver, it shows lisa reading a gag newspaper & outta the blue a limo ad mystyreously apperes on the screen when the tv is supposedly off, what happened?

Wikipedia is not a fan site. You would be better asking that sort of question elsewhere. Thanks, Localzuk^(talk) 06:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

A little more work needed!

The article is shaping up quite well I think, although it still needs more 'real life' information. I have now added a brief summary of the 'Dream Jobs' section - this is likely in need of some work to improve it.

The only other thing that remains, as I see it, is that we need to put down the last couple of citations to episodes that are requested.

We still need to make more an effort to split the general character traits from the individual episode bits. We also need to remove as much of the 'reading into jokes' as possible and reduce the amount of examples we use. Any ideas anyone?-Localzuk^(talk) 11:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• I've removed a few episode details, including his flask hidden in the hollowed out bible, and his pie crust with cloves experiment. ----Raenbow

Gay episode

Which episode did Homer think Bart was gay? Homer made a friend with a homosexual, then he found out he was gay. Homer though Bart was acting gay, so he took him out and made him do manly stuff with him. -71.224.24.99 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL I dont recall any episode like that. Although it's not beyond an animated comedy like the Simpsons. ^{TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ | ÇόηṬŕĺβs )} 21:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Forgot the name of the episode but it was an actual episode.

The Name of the Episode was Homer's Phobia

Homer's Age

The article states that Homer was 36 through seasons one through ten; I've never heard his age to be 36 in any episode, but the article mentions that it was initially 36 in DVD commentary. I've heard ages 38, 39, and in one episode, Homer was given the age 37 during a season eight episode, proving the statement of Homer being 36 for the first ten seasons wrong. Plus the article says in seasons 14-17, he was 36 again, which is also wrong. Here are episodes/sources that mention Homer's age:

• DVD commentary- 36 years old
• "The Homer They Fall" (Season 8)- 37 years old
• "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace" (Season 10)- Homer believes he 38, Marge corrects him, saying he's 39 years old
• "We're on the Road to D'ohwhere" (Season 17)- 38 years old

16:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there was an episode where he reminisced his time at summer camp sometime "in the late 50's, the 60s, or the early 70's,", which would place him to be somewhere in his thirties or forties. ^{TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ | ÇόηṬŕĺβs )} 21:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed! Include this info please. The info box should now read 36 - 39 (depends on episode) instead. Cheers, Localzuk^(talk) 22:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I want to add that the book "The Simpsons: A complete guide to our favorite family" says he is 36 years old. --Maitch 19:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and that book was published in 1999 - 7 years ago... Things have changed as time went by, for example when new series' come out. The age varies - why try and change it to a single year when it is obviously not a single year?-Localzuk^(talk) 20:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, that would be the second book. The first book was published in Oct 1998 - 8 1/4 years ago...-Localzuk^(talk) 20:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually I have nothing to do with this ongoing edit war. I justed wanted to list another source. --Maitch 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Listitous starting to re-grow

We appear to be suffering from a bad case of 'list-itous' or 'example-itous' - where we seem to be continually adding items to each are of the article as examples of Homer's habits, abilities etc... The main problem with this page is these lists. Most of these items do not add anything to the discussion of his character and just seem to be coming from fans who remember far too much about the episodes. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia. This means we provide a collection of information that summarises a subject according to its important and interesting points. The key words here being 'summarise', 'important' and 'interesting'.-Localzuk^(talk) 23:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Born in Canada?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020720/simpons_canadian_020719?s_name=&no_ads=

Quote from the article:

In Montreal for a performance of The Simpsons - In the Flesh stage show at the Just for Laughs comedy festival, Groening noted Thursday his dad was born in Canada and Homer is named for him so . . . .

"That would make Homer Simpson a Canadian," Groening said in an interview. "I hope Canadians won't hold it against the show now that they know.

How to Improve the Article

This article has been graded as a Top priority within the Simpsons WikiProject and has been chosen by the Article Improvement Drive in an effort to upgrade it to at least Good Status. It needs some work, some sections will have to be sourced, others will have to be cleared. So does anyone have any ideas? -- Scorpion0422 21:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I have proposed a reorganization on the Simpsons Featured Article Drive I would like comment on. Natalie 21:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've said it before, and I'll say it again - end the lists!!! If we can get past the obsession of having to give 10 examples for every minor detail of Homer's character then it should be much easier to sort out.

Also, the last drive said that we need less focus on the character traits and more focus on real world things (ie. more in the cultural influence section).

Finally, we need to analyse things from a more 'non-fiction' manner - for example, it is not enough to say that Homer is a fat lazy slob, instead we need to show the reasons why this is done etc... Relate it to the real world.

As it stands the article looks like a fan listing.-Localzuk^(talk) 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I haven't taken a full look at everything yet, but most of the lists will go. Pages with a lot of lists generally don't become Good Articles. -- Scorpion0422 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been through the article twice and done major culls in the last 6 months, but the lists re-grow. I think that Natalie's ideas regarding structure are correct - I think the structure we have at the moment leads to this list problem. If we can move away from it then the problem should sort itself out really. (Much like reducing the trolling in a criticism section by merging the criticism throughout an article - if it isn't shiney, people aren't attracted to it).-Localzuk^(talk) 22:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Very true Localzuk. But if you think Homer's lists are bad, check out Bart Simpson. Natalie 22:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The first thing I thought when I looked at that page is 'argh, my eyes!!', this was closely followed by 'it looks just like Homer Simpson's article did a year ago'. Boy does that one need work. Lets hope we get cleared up here quickly.-Localzuk^(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we need a General Biography

I noticed that Homer no longer has a general biography because its been merged into various sections. He needs a short one, but how big should it be? Because it could just turn into "In [Random Episode] Homer [Did random thing]." which won't get it featured.

I have suggested at the project page (linked above) that we remove any one-episode information, unless it is given as a reason for a theme of Homer's personality. An example of things that would go out: all of Homer's one-episode jobs, any one-episode changes in appearance. Things that would stay in: how he apparently lost his hair (given in a flashback episode), the crayon in his brain (since this is, AFAIK, the only reason given for his wide swings in intelligence). Natalie 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, all single episode info should go - as it is not relevant to 'Homer as a whole'.-Localzuk^(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How should we do it?

I've been looking through some pages and I've been wondering how much of the page should be dedicated to Homer in the show. Shoul we write basically a biography of Homer based on the show with some stuff on his real life impact, or should we do the reverse and focus on his real life impact?

I do think it is important to note most of whats there, but I've been looking at pages for some (liek Bugs Bunny) which focus more on Bugs Bunnys impact than anything. Of course, Bugs Bunny is far older and has gone through many more changes than Homer. -- Scorpion0422 00:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Influences

At prior peer reviews it was mentioned that this section needed more content. How can we increase the content (as most of the additions I made to it have now been removed)?-Localzuk^(talk) 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for input

I posted this at the Featured Article Drive for the Simpsons WikiProjectt, but haven't gotten any comment there: I think Homer's page should completely ignore the in-show history, as this really isn't important to understanding his character, in favor of more personality traits (i.e. interaction w/ family, religion, etc). If there are no complaints in the next couple of days I will make these changes (getting the other info from the older versions of the page), so if you hate this idea, please tell me! Natalie 21:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

GA notes

Good article it seems, just some notes:

• All cites have to be directly after sentences or punctuation.
• Images in infobox and personality sections need fair use rationales.
• Get rid of the Recognition heading: you don't need it.

Wiki-newbie 15:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I also just noticed the Biography section has some past tense. Please correct it to present tense. Wiki-newbie 15:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Except for the biography note, I just went through that section and since it refers to events that happened in the past, shouldn't it be written in past tense? -- Scorpion 16:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:WAF specifies that all fiction should be written in present tense. It never happened, that's why, if you catch my drift. Also, refs should go after commas. Wiki-newbie 16:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

You mean it should be ,[ref][/ref].  ?

And I looked through the section and in a lot of cases, changing it to present tense would ruin the article. -- Scorpion 16:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, Fair use for young Homer please. Wiki-newbie 18:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still having problems with the Biography. Basically, just edit the article to write stuff like Homer is born, Homer returns and so on and so forth. Wiki-newbie 19:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the bio. Last couple of things, and believe me that GA will lie on your talk page. Could you cite the episode about Maggie's birth, and the DVD commentary about his age? Also, put a note down about the show's floating timeline, so a Simpsons newbie won't think the show is always set in the early 1990s. Wiki-newbie 19:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. -- Scorpion 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Why is the citation note in the section heading? The superscript doesn't show up in the TOC, so it seems to read "Biography1", which seems odd. Can this citation be moved to the end of the section or is there some precedent/policy I'm not aware of? Natalie 20:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know where else to put it, but the floating timeline should be noted somewhere. GO ahead and move it. -- Scorpion 20:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree it should be noted. I'm going to put it in italics as the first sentence. Natalie 20:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I see you have already moved it. Works for me. Natalie 20:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

GA awarded

Well done. First GA for a Simpsons character, now let's see what we (I may have a go) can do for the other members of the family. Wiki-newbie 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

As Homer would say, Woo-hoo! Natalie 20:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It still has a long way to go before its FA quality, but its a good start. For the time being, I think the focus is going to shift to Bart and try to get him to GA status. Good job to everyone who contributed! -- Scorpion 20:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Location

Is there any information on his location? I mean like he lives at 742 Evergreen Terrace and his phone number is (636) 555-0113 (as proved in A Tale of Two Springfields, but was for that episode 939 instead of 636). Cipher ^(Yell) 18:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

As you said, he does live at 742 Evergreen Terrace but in a few other episodes you are told that they live at different addresses. For example, on New Kid On The Block Bart prank calls Moe Szyslak to get revenge on Jimbo Jones for dating Laura Powers. Bart says his name is Jimbo Jones and he lives at 1092 Evergreen Terrace. Fr4zer 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Category overkill

Most of these are one-episode situations.

• Category:Computer and video game characters keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional agents
• Category:Fictional alcoholics keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional Americans keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional astronauts
• Category:Fictional bodyguards
• Category:Fictional bowlers Keep Scorpion, weak keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional boxers
• Category:Fictional celebrities
• Category:Fictional characters with mental illness
• Category:Fictional chauffeurs
• Category:Fictional Christians weak keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional clowns
• Category:Fictional farmers
• Category:Fictional golfers Keep Scorpion
• Category:Fictional inventors
• Category:Fictional musicians Keep Scorpion
• Category:Fictional police officers
• Category:Fictional prisoners Keep Scorpion
• Category:Fictional Protestants weak keep edgarde
• Category:Fictional sailors
• Category:Fictional soldiers
• Category:Fictional time travelers Keep Scorpion
• Category:Fictional vigilantes
• Category:Fictional writers Keep Scorpion
• Category:The Simpsons characters keep edgarde

Does anyone object to my deleting the rest? / edgarde 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep the ones you & I mentioned and dump the rest, but random people keep adding them, so many will be back. -- Scorpion 19:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't fictional Protestants and fictional Christians kind of overlap? I'd say just fictional Protestants. And Scorpion is right that the article needs frequent policing to keep people from adding a bunch of unimportant junk, including categories. Natalie 22:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

They overlap a little, but i don't see the importance of keeping them. He converted to catholic and made his own religion in some episodes. and also, when was Homer a soldier? The time traveller one is also pretty weak since he only went back in time once or twice. --Kzrulzuall 09:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

He's technically been in the army/navy three times, and we should list him as a Christian but perhaps Protestants could go. -- Scorpion 13:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star

I was just thinking that surely the Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star should be put on the page about about the show, The Simpsons, and not the Homer Simpson page as this Walk Of Fame Star is for the show and not the character. Fr4zer 12:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Page protection

Childish amounts of spam appear on this page quite regulary, i suggest that this page should be rewritten and potected

I assume you mean vandalism, but I still don't think it's quite at the level of protection yet. Admins tend to be wary about protecting pages. Natalie 14:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Homer Jay Simpson characterized by being often ill-tempered, in particular in his role as father and husband?

The present article states that "Homer's personality is one of frequent stupidity, laziness and explosive anger". An expression of the latter personality trait towards his son is even illustrated there as

Homer is therefore an example of an ill-tempered individual - he should be explicitly so called and linked.

Further, the present article characterizes Homer initially and generally already as "crude, overweight, intolerant, inept", and then refers to Homer specificly in his role as husband and father again and redundantly as "often inept".

Consequently, I'm going replace the second, redundant instance of "often inept" with the more specific "often ill-tempered". Frank W ~@) R 21:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

so? -- Scorpion 21:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That link doesn't actually link to any specific info about 'ill-temper' it links to a non-existent subsection of a disambiguation page... What is the point of linking to there?-Localzuk^(talk) 21:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Your edit contains a wikilink with extraneous text (much like the extraneous text contained in the broken links in your above comment), which is a great reason to revert it.

Although often [[Temper#Anger:such as the ill-temperance expressed by ::Dr. Evil::-s sea bass|ill-tempered]]

A redirect to Anger might be okay, but IMO it was fine or better before, and I have no problem if someone else reverts it to "often inept". Please fix whatever it is that inserts nonsense in your edits. / edgarde 21:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this all this discussion is about? The use of the word "inept"? A redirect to the word anger would be ok but [[Temper#Anger:such as the ill-temperance expressed by ::Dr. Evil::-s sea bass|ill-tempered]] is just too much..

Actually, if u read it properly, ill tempered doesn't fit with the text. It seems really awkward.

Although often "ill-tempered", he is a caring and devoted husband and father and has come to be known as a lovable oaf.

His neglect towards his family should be laziness not his temper problem. As said in the article, his temper is usually caused by somethin and is unintentional, except in some circumstances. His ineptness is usually towards his disbelief of duty and work. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

However, don't forget the meaning of "Kwyjibo" where Marge adds "and a short temper." --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 05:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

But kwyjibo in the context has nothin to do with his ineptness towards handling family tasks. The kwyjibo, in the context, means he is very short tempered. Anger and inept is two different things. When ur inept, u are either unable to do somethin, don't know how to do somethin or can't be bothered to do somethin; which is when laziness comes in. Im sure, and it has been mentioned quite a few times in the many series', that if homer tries to do somethin for his family, he will succeed. I make this clear: his ineptness has nothing to do with anger Short temper might come in when "inept" is first mentioned, but not the second time. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 08:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Overall, to answer this question I'd say his stupidity caused by that crayon. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 02:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Stupidity? i thought we were talkin about the use of the word "inept"? --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 02:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Homer the Greek?

In the episode I Am Furious Yellow, Homer states 'I'm simply passionate, like all Greeks!' Is this just a throw away gag, or should it be mentioned in the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwarlock (talk • contribs) 22:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

There is no other episode to support this theory, so i'll say that its either a one-time thing or one of the stupid things that homer says. Most one time things aren't worth mentionin in this article --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Images

There's too less images for this article, suggest we get more images that shows homer doin different things, such as being anry at Flanders, sleepin at work, etc. --|K.Z|Z.K| Do not vandalize... 05:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

There's enough images, this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery. --The preceding comment was signed by User:Sp3000 (talk•contribs) 05:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It would also be hard to justify such images under fair use. We have a good balance at the moment.-Localzuk^(talk) 07:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Many freely-licensed images available here.

[1] Can be used to show the cultural effect of homer as well as heavy marketing for homer (and the simpsons). W3stfa11/^{Talk to me} 03:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Omar Shamsoon

In The Arabic Versions Of The Simpsons. Homer's Name Is Omar Shamsoon. As Both Bacon And Alcohol Are Forbidden In Islam, Beer Is Replaced With Soda, Hot Dog's Are Replaced With BBQ'd Egyptian Beef Sausages. Also Homer Hanging At The Bar With Alcho's And Lowlife's Have Been Completely Cut Out.(Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 12:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

Spoiler Tags?

I would consider homers full middle name to be a spoiler, and possibly other elements of the article. Should this article be tagged as containing such? --Nog lorp 05:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Catholics

I see a category below "Fictional Catholics"; isn't Homer a "Fictional Protestants" ? --Göran Smith 19:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

For the most part, yes, and specifically a Presbolutheran (as stated in the Movementarian episode). But there was also a more recent episode in which Homer and Bart converted to Catholicism. I don't remember if the status quo was restored at the end of that episode. Robert Happelberg 20:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't watch that episode. I think then, we should have both of these categories in the article. --Göran Smith 20:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I just remembered that Liam Neeson played the priest in that episode. A little digging gave me the episode's title: "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star". Robert Happelberg 22:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In most episodes, permanent changes to character and situation are rare. Since Homer didn't actually convert to Catholicism in the episode (ie no Baptism or RCIA) and since (to my knowledge) he hasn't been depicted attending Catholic services in later shows, I don't think he or Bart should be in this category. --Wgbc2032 23:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Philosopher of the Century / Philosophy

Hello, I believed Homer had won the prize 'Philosopher of the Century'. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter, but in this article, nothing is said about Homer's philosophical views. I hope this will change soon, --LAUBO 15:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC),

I think it was "Philosopher of the Year" and it should be mentioned. --Maitch 16:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It was mentioned, but there was no source so I removed it. -- Scorpion 17:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It was "Philosopher of the decade" and here is the source source. --Maitch 18:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I just made some (hopefully) improvements to the Biography page, mainly just things to smooth out the flow. Hope you're all OK with that. Rumiton 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

'Footsoldiers' comic connection?

agent simpsons - aka 'nuke' supposedly killed by daredevil & captain america

- it's interesting looking at comics for truth ;)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.56.41 (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

References

I fixed all the refs. All the dates in the refs should be wikilinked so they can appear according to the individual user's preferences like this: April 5, 2007. They are all done now, also if you add refs be respectful of the people who worked on the article before you. I see someone didn't bother to see what format was used in the article and instead just used templates, giving the refs two different styles. I followed the one that was indicated as the preferred one in the hidden text in the references section (you can see it if you click edit on the references section) and formatted all of them that way. In general try to follow the format used in an article when you edit it. Thanks. Quadzilla99 08:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Space

How come there's nothing about him being an astronaut?

Because it is a minor detail - ie. trivia. If we included every single thing he has taken part in, the article would be a huge mess and would not be worthy of being on this site. This is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia.-Localzuk^(talk) 14:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Where he's from

We have a rather silly discussion about where he is from in the article at the moment. As his place of birth is only mentioned briefly in a couple of episodes, we can't really focus on this. Should this be in the article in as much detail as it is? Or should it be reduced to 'Homer's place of birth varies depending on which episode it is discussed in.'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Localzuk (talk • contribs) 14:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Super Smash Bros. fighter?

Why is that category there? Homer isn't in any of the Smash Bros games.

Its most likely vandilism, if its still there, I'll remove it. Gran² 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Jay and image

Why are people reverting the fact that Homer's middle name is Jay? D'oh-in in the Wind confirms it to be Jay. And also the whole point off using the offcial artwork is because it is easily the best image avaliable. Gran² 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

As both Scorpion and 98E are about to break the 3RR, I suggest you just leave both images on for now. Gran² 21:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

yo, i got a question

how fat is homer?

(note: my friend told me 2 write this, please dont ban me)

- kozmic|sk8r 07:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)