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Before I make an addition that may be incorrect for some well-known reason: Is there any good explanation as to why "The Mummy"/"Ramses the Damned" isn't listed here? -- Derek

In the spirit of being bold in updating pages, I'm just going to add "The Mummy"! -- Derek

It was probably just an oversight. Generally, as long as whatever you're adding is both NPOV and accurate, nobody will mind.  :-) Cheers, --KQ

P.S., Derek, if you sign with three tildes ~ in a row, with no spaces, it will change it to a link to your userpage. Four will put a link to your userpage and the time you saved the page.

• I've added a little bit at the end of the third paragraph to ellucidate Rice's standing as a writer. It's meant to give just a litte perspective. Please erase if stupid or over the top--Case 18:57, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Link to Belinda is to Belinda the moon of Uranus. Folks, please watch the links.

Where does the Talamasca fit in? Does it make sense to be a separate page that talks about its purpose and its main characters like Petyr Van Abel and David Talbot or does it make sense to just define it? I wasn't even sure where this belonged so I wanted to get some thoughts.... --Jpittman 02:27, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think it would make sense to make a seperate Talamasca page. Especialy since someone might put in a prank article pretending its real. Like they tried to do with Borges's imaginary land of Tlon. The Talamasca could make a fun article. There is enough to make it long. In my more romantic or crazy moments, I've thought of Wiki as a sort of Talamasca. A loose association of "scholars" working to gather all the information we can even on less respected matters. Accepting all information and loosely filtering it. An open inquirery into all things. We watch and are always there. The character Arron describes the Talamasca along these lines in the Witching Hour to the character Michael Mayfair. I'm just being indulgent. Still fun though to think along these lines. Rice created a complex myth system with the Talamasca which is very rich. It is the perfect kind of alternative history for an article. Tons of characters and events to get into. The Mayfairs should get a seperate page also.--Case 19:17, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Her reputations is damaged? Please!

I don't know who gets off or got off writing about Mrs. Rice's reputation and popularity being damaged by her post on Amazon. I and the Rice readers I know never even heard about it, so I don't think it was at all a significant event in her writing history. What a few bloggers in their small community might say is not all that relevant to the great number of readers who genuinely enjoyed "Blood Canticle."

I second that. I actually removed the part about where she allegedly had written with bad English.

EliasAlucard|Talk 19:27, 15 May, 2005 (UTC)

• Added the link to the reply posted on Amazon.com. I admire Anne for taking a stand - It was certainly long overdue. Drae 09:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• • ...I'm sorry, you say you ADMIRE her for that? It was nothing more than a lengthy, self-indulgent rant, a more literate version of, ironically, many fanfiction-writing teens' old "DUN LEIK, DUN REED!!! H8TRZ!!" rants. Don't get me wrong; her books are... fine. But that little tantrum shows a woman with the vocabulary of an entire dictionary but, alas, all the maturity of a self-important 13-year-old fangirl. Her prose is lovely much of the time, but if I'm to judge by her little "episode" on Amazon, she should stick to novels and leave essay-writing waaaaay alone. I won't comment on how silly it seems to me that she refuses to so much as have an editor LOOK at her work (mostly because I haven't read her most recent, editor-free books, I just happen to know that people should very rarely be allowed to edit their own book completely by themselves, and it strikes me as kind of arrogant to assume one can do it and get consistently good prose), because it's a moot point here. That was NOT the most mature response to criticism that she could have pulled out. Defending your work is fine, but jeez, stop whining just because somebody didn't like your latest novel as much as the rest of them; it's rather uncooth, and not really befitting a reknowned author.

• • I do think it damaged her reputation, because I've met people that had never read her before, then read that and instantly said they never wanted to bother. Heck, after reading that, I'm inclined NOT to read her later work myself. Granted, I wasn't a diehard fan to begin with, but sheesh. Lord help us if she discovers her own Wikipedia page! /jk

• • Seriously, though, folks, do keep in mind though that just because something hurts a reputation does not mean book sales or the quality of her writing will go down. I don't doubt that some people became curious to see what the fuss was all about, and have since bought or read the book to check for themselves. Controversy sells; it's why The Da Dinci Code sold so many copies even with bland characters.

• • Just because you hadn't heard of that post, does not mean it wasn't infamous, though, EliasAlucard. I don't even normally actively look for Anne Rice information, and I still heard whispers of the infamous "Anne Rice Amazon.com tantrum" on other sites.

• • In any case, though, Drae, while I very much disagree with your opinion on her Amazon comment, I would still like to take the chance to thank you quite sincerely for adding the link. I've been looking for it for months, myself, and somehow hadn't found it until seeing it in this very article. Runa27 22:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

A reminder for argumentative nerds:

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Why was it removed? EliasAlucard|Talk 13:30, 12 Jun, 2005 (UTC)

Opening paragraph

This is a waste of time

Look, if you got some important stuff to add, or constructive criticism to this article, then feel free to say so. If you're going to keep on acting like a pompous prick, then get the hell out of here. You're not bringing anything of value by saying everything is stupid and the rest of us editors have a bad voice in our head when we read, or whatever your claims.

The facts remain, that she has written many vampire books, and although a majority of them are within The Vampire Chronicles, not all are. Therefore, it is better suited just to mention that she's famous because of her Vampire books.

Second, of course there are a lot more readers of her books that aren't goths or whatever. But it's not everyday an author brings such an impact to the goth-culture because of her/his books. So leave that part as well. I don't know if all of these different but similar IP adresses are from the same person, but I advise you to get a registered account, and sign your names when you're going to discuss something on the talk pages from now on.

EliasAlucard|Talk 17:13, 25 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

It is a waste of time, another note to EliasAlucard

You idiot. I'm not threatening you. It's not my draft. I haven't written even 20% of this Anne Rice Article. Stop assuming things like you actually knew something. This article is by any means not mine. I do not own it. But as little as it is mine, it's even less yours. You're an anon user. I've got over 2000 edits in my edit history. I'm taking Wikipedia seriously. How many edits have you done? It's a handful, less than 10 edits all in all. Stop reverting, because you're braking the 3-revert-rule. In fact, I've edited this article more than you have edited anything on Wikipedia. If you got something to add, do it (provided that it's true), if you've seen something you know isn't true, remove it. But stop changing everything to the same thing but with different words. You can do that for an entire eternity. The article was fine as it was. Stop reverting it, or else you'll be banned by the ops for a revert war.

EliasAlucard|Talk 13:04, 26 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

You go ahead and enjoy your life. Leave Wikipedia to us who don't have one. And if you're going to respond, don't write 59 000 letters just to prove some stupid point. And for the last time, the version with the opening paragraph that you dislike isn't my version. I didn't write that one. It's still better than your shitty version though. My wording of "you better" is a threat? When did I write that anywhere on this talk page? Moron.

By the way, this is a clear sign of how stupid you are: "So for the last time ...she is a popular mainstream writer ...NOT a Goth writer. Much like Bram Stoker is NOT a Goth writer." Nowhere in the article does it state or allege that she is a Goth writer. All it says, is that she's had influence on the goth culture today. There's a clear difference, you stupid idiot. If you can't tell the difference between such simple stuff, then stop editing here altogether. No one wants your help here.

EliasAlucard|Talk 18:34, 26 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

Daughter's age

I have no interest in getting into a revert war over this, and if it's changed again, I'll leave it alone. However, according to annerice.com, her daughter died at 5 [1] in 1972 [2]. I trust this over external third party sites. Being born in 1966 doesn't necessarily mean that she was 6 years old when she died in 1972; it depends on the dates of birth/death. Clearly, she died before her sixth birthday. To further illustrate, I was born in 1978, but I'm 26 years old. At first glance, this may not make sense (since it's 2005, I should be 27, right?). Well, I was born in September, so I'm 26 for two more months, even though this is the 27th year since 1978. I'm guessing that it was a similar situation for Anne Rice's daughter. --Myles Long/cDc 17:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for citing a source for your information, it is greatly appreciated. It's a damn shame the anonymous editor could not do the same and had to resort to harassment instead. Hall Monitor 17:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. In fact, the bio EliasAlucard cited [3] proves my point. Michele was born September 21, 1966, and she died August 5, 1972. She was *almost* 6 years old, but not quite. --Myles Long/cDc 17:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not interested in a revert war either. I just can't take that anonymous user seriously. He changed it to 1971 for instance. I think his IP should be banned. He should use his registered account since he claims he has one. And all of his messages are just confusing. I feel like erasing all of them since they're not making any sense, and they're very incoherent to read... and quite frankly, a waste of time. Anyway, I forgot to add "and" at the age issue. Feel free to correct it.

EliasAlucard|Talk 19:50, 26 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

I really must return to work. EliasAlucard ...your proof positive that politics run rampant here. You as well Hall Monitor. I am opting not to sign in for one main reason. Users should not need to. That was what all this was about. Can someone come here and fix something without being harassed. Clearly not. It WAS pointed out several times to you the source of her age. AnneRice.com ...about 6 times including on your own discussion page. Vandalism is what you cried rather than admit to a mistake(s). You, as mentioned is proof positive that this is NOT an open forum.

Speaking for myself, you were vandalising by adding superfluous {{cleanup}} tags and submitting incorrect years, i.e. 1971. Shall I provide diffs? Go away, troll. Hall Monitor 18:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that one Hall. If she died in 1972, and you changed it to 1971, how could it be my mistake? She was barely 2 months from 6. It never was about pride from my part. Look, I just think that your edits suck. Plain and simple. You come waltzing in here, and act all high and mighty, calling everything about the article bad and stupid, and everyone else too. Then you make changes. Changes I don't like. Then you refuse to login and sign your comments. Do you know how confusing and what kind of chaos all of your messages are? The very fact that you refuse to sign in just to prove a stupid point, proves you to be a hypocrite when you accuse us of pride. Please go away. Stop editing. We don't need you here, really. You're just wasting our time. Also, until next time you're going to accuse me and everyone else of bad English, get this straight: You are equals you're. Your is not the same thing. Get it straight, dipshit.

EliasAlucard|Talk 20:23, 26 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

I just want to make one thing clear: anyone who happens to be a self-proclaimed professional, and can't even differ between your and you're, is not a professional. And why are you so offended by "the name calling?" Are you twelve or something? Are we hurting your feelings? This is getting ridiculous. Your vandalism on Hall Monitor just proves us right when calling you a vandal. Look, I'm going to be frank now: every edit your IP does on Wikipedia is going to be reverted by me, or someone else, until you're blocked permanently.

EliasAlucard|Talk 22:22, 26 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

i actually read the reverts because I just wanted to work on this and now i'm not signing in either-this looks bad in here. all that Eliasalucard wrote looks like a flame war (holocaust)-no thank you. i will come back later when this guy goes away 05:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

If that's how you feel, then don't come back; I'll be here forever.

EliasAlucard|Talk 11:03, 01 Aug, 2005 (UTC)

Rice home damaged by Hurricane Katrina?

Please be aware that I have twice-reverted this edit by Pacian. To protect the integrity of Wikipedia, I have politely requested that Pacian or someone else please WP:CITE a credible source for this information. Hall Monitor 22:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

VAMPIRE LESTAT

From the very first book i was hooked and totally in love with him , and and the witches also and in the last book just when you brought the vampires and witches togeather you stated that was to be the last Why? i some time think about the charecters and all the things you could have them do or become or the adventures they could have . please reconsider lestat and mayfairs are the greatest friends ive ever found in books, i never read much untill the witching hour then the vampire lestat i have two sets the ones i read and the special keepsakes edition . you are a great writter and have made me a great reader and i know atleast 65 people who are just dying to hear about the witches and the vampires again. there are vampires in the movie the vampire lestat that we never introduced to atleast 3 you could write about them . anyway we love you in california.sincerly teresa milligan

                          8600 citrus ave #253
                          fontana,ca. 92335

Deary... this isn't Anne Rice's personal website, nor is Wikipedia the US Postal Service. PantherFoxie 05:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Anne Rice Has Found God/No more Vampires

According to Newsweek Anne has promised that she will "Only write for the Lord" since she has re-discovered her faith in the Roman Catholic Church and her next series are going to be based on and narrated by Jesus Christ. This might mean no more vampires, witches, etc. Perhaps this should be included in the main page?

Howard?

Her name was Howard Allen O'Brien? I don't get it. Did she have a sex change?

No, that's just what her parents named her. It's a bit sad, dontcha think? But yeah, no worries, Anne Rice/Howard Allen O'Brien is 100% female, since birth.PantherFoxie

The discovery of Rice's diabetes

In the "Health" section, the article says that Rice's diabetes "were discovered" when she went into a diabetic coma. Does this mean that she had not known it herself? Or were her diabetes simply not *public* knowledge until the coma? -- Creidieki 03:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I believe that Rice herself wasn't aware that she had diabetes until she went into the coma. Hbackman 05:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

How is it possible for her to have reached 57 years of age and not know that she had Type 1 (juvenile) diabetes? Perhaps this should be Type 2 (adult onset)? TC —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.29.93.176 (talk • contribs) .

Type I refers to diabetes due to the death/disease/malfunction of the pancreas due to disease or defect. Type II is insulin resistant diabetes where the pancreas still functions but at an impaired level. Things have changed a LOT from the old labels and understanding of diabetes and there are millions of people who have no idea they are diabetic right now. 64.140.179.102 08:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Her Amazon response

I don't think it's good form to reprint her entire response. First off, it interrupts the flow of the article. Second, reproductions of text normally go on Wikisource. Third, we don't own the copyright. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 01:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with this; however, as someone just re-added the Amazon letter, perhaps we should open it up to discussion so that we have some consensus and don't get into an edit war. Any other opinions? I'll delete the letter again in a few days if people don't generally think that we should keep it. Hbackman 19:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

...no responses. I'll assume that that means everyone's okay with this. Hbackman 01:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Ack! Put it back, that was classic! I'm not OK with it, please please please puhleeeease put it back *cries* Lady 3Jane 03:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait before a reply... I somehow missed your post. :( Anyway, if you can make an argument that Quadell's concerns aren't valid (or aren't sufficiently valid enough to warrant the removal of the text), people may be willing to consider reinstating the text. Objection number three is the most important -- if you can't prove that copyright is in the public domain, whether or not it interrupts the article's flow to have the text of the letter in there is a moot point. Hbackman 23:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't see this discussion before adding a link to the reply Anne posted on Amazon.com. I don't see the harm in linking to the source, however if this breaches anything, please feel free to remove it. Drae 09:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Linking is fine, since it's not a violation of copyright to link to something, and I do think that it's worth it to make the text accessible -- I just agree with Quadell's thoughts on putting the actual text in the article. Hbackman 23:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

LSD

Where did Anne Rice deny trying LSD? The original reference came from an interview. Is she trying to deny a previous admission? After smoking marijuana and experimenting with LSD for about a year Anne had a disturbing vision. She began wondering what happens when a person dies and if that person knows they are dead. --Thoric 06:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I was curious about the above comment, since the current page no longer has any mention of LSD, so went trawling back through the History to check. A quick googling shows that the connection has been widespread, but does anyone know the truth? Is it that she previously admitting to it, but has now back-tracked, or is it that she never said anything of the sort, but finally "denied" years of third-party speculation. To be honest, I've always thought that "seeing through a vampire's eyes" is more akin to MDMA use, but then even that could just have been speculated from someone who had never used it, having read enough reports from people who had. Nick Cooper 21:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The Vampire Chronicles

I believe she began writing the Vampire Chronicles after the death of her daughter, but I don't have any source to back it up. If anybody can provide such source, then I believe a sentence or paragraph should be added in the "The Vampire Chronicles" section mentioning such.--Sandridge 01:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

See "Prism of the Night - A biography of Anne Rice" by Katherine Ramsland. Anne Rice began writing "Interview with the Vampire" some months after her daughter's death, rewriting an old short story of the same title which she had written some years before. However, at this time she did not intend to write a whole series.

Her biography at A&E mundo Biography(tm)

Film Adaptations

I question the source of the following statement, "It has been rumoured that the second film's theatrical release was based solely on its producers' wish to capitalize on the death of Aaliyah." What is the source of this rumor? Perhaps it just isn't explained well, but obviously the producers planned on releasing the film or they wouldn't have produced it, and production obviously began before Aaliyah's death since she is in the movie. I'd like to remove this sentence altogether, but thought I'd see what other people thought first.--Sandridge 01:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarification Please

Does she currently reside in La Jolla or somewhere in the Coachella Valley? La Jolla is on the coast, and not even particularly close to the Coachella Valley, which is in the desert.

>>>>>>> Anne Rice has recently left La Jolla and has moved to Rancho Mirage, a desert community. (see: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060111-9999-1m11rice.html)

Minor change

I've removed a comment about her reply in amazon.com being "a single unbroken paragraph". I suspect this is entirely due to the limitations of the amazon interface, which converted her newlines into spaces. Toby Douglass 18:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll leave it as it stands, but I've written Amazon reviews and had no problems inserting linebreaks.Cactus Wren 06:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Article reorganization

Having just read this article for the first time, it seems to me that the sections on diabetes and her relocation could be rolled into the biographical section. I feel it interrupts the flow of the article to have these sections intermingled with sections on her books and her responses to critics/fans. Just a thought. --GentlemanGhost 10:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I reorganized the article to give it a more chronological structure. It needs more discussion of her writing career, which is, after all, why she's notable. Nareek 11:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Amazon post

I'm concerned that the citation of the Amazon post in the Catholicism section is misleading. From the section, one would think that she was renouncing writing about vampires because she'd become a Catholic. In fact, she kept writing about vampires after her conversion, her post doesn't really address the religious question, and she seems to be saying that she's glad the Chronicles are over because some fans are giving her a hard time about her not writing the way they want her to. I'm thinking that sentence should be cut. Nareek 19:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

A little more on the biblio

I'd like to know about where & when Anne Rice's fans started becoming disheartened with the series & what went wrong. (I know that Memnoc was a huge dissapointment & that the gay & yaoi fans concidered either Merrick or Blood & Gold to be "the final straw." & even just information on the changes in her website over the years (easily accessed by inputting her html in at archive.org) & maybe the comic addaptions of her books from America & Japan (there's an official manga & loads of doujinshi).

Bibliography violates structure

A Bibliography should ALWAYS include the dates of original publication. The way it is now violates the form of a bibliography and really now do the right thing and put the original publication dates back in. This new format is unacceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hesterloli (talk • contribs) 02:11, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Why has the bibliography been changed??

I've referred to this article on wikipedia numerous times for it's well outlined bibliography section. What happened? There are no dates at all in this new structure. It was much better the way it was before.

I would also like to note that when you click on each title of the different novels, almost all of those corresponding articles are also lacking the publication dates as well. To put it bluntly this oversight is quite annoying. I'm willing to do a bit of research to find the publication dates dates if someone else can fix the article itself. I don't want to muck it up even more. 69.105.196.188 03:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Interview With The Vampire (1976)
The Feast of All Saints(1979)
Cry To Heaven (1982)
The Vampire Lestat (1985)
The Queen of the Damned (1988)
The Mummy (1989)
The Witching Hour (1990)
The Tale of the Body Thief (1992)
Lasher (1993)
Taltos (1994)
Memnoch The Devil (1995)
Servant of the Bones (1996)
Violin (1997)
Pandora (1998)
Armand (1998)
Vittorio the Vampire (1999)
Merrick (2000)
Blood and Gold (2001)
The Master of Rampling Gate (2002)
Blackwood Farm (2002)
Blood Canticle (2003)
Christ The Lord: Out of Egypt (2005)

found this list of her works here: http://www.annerice.com/bs_AllNovels.htm, however it does not include her stories written under her pseudonyms

69.105.196.188 03:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

what movie? which movie?

Removed the line

Japanese Visual Kei rock band Malice Mizer allude to the movie in their song Transylvania from their 1996 album Voyage ~sans retour~.

until someone who knows this band better can clarify which movie is being referenced. -- Geno Z Heinlein 13:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)