User talk:Moosh88

Welcome!

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- Mailer Diablo 15:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Zvart.jpg

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed you Image:Zvart.jpg to Zvartnots Airport. However, you might not be aware of Wikipedia:Copyrights? If the image can be placed on Wikipedia, please indicate that the image page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Burgundavia 05:51, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Armenian names

Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base. So a short article saying "Vigen is a moderately popular Armenian name" or something similar is not really very helpful. --Henrygb 23:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Armenia on Template:Europe

Why do you keep putting Armenia on the template??? You are warned several times. Please DO respect the poll on the discussion page. Maartenvdbent 09:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Moosh88. I believe we may disagree with you on many issues regarding politics and history. But on one thing our interests and viewpoints match, and that is Armenia's inclusion in Europe template. As you probably noticed, I have voted in favor of Armenia's inclusion in the template, along with Georgia. I believe that these two countries *should* be listed along with Azerbaijan in the list of the European countries and their omission is an unfortunate error.

However, I would call you to avoid reverting, because, I believe this hurts your own position and most importantly, it may cause counter-reaction on part of other editors who would just resist Armenia's (and possibly Georgia's) inclusion in the template just because they do not like your actions.

I would suggest you to start a new topic in Template talk:Europe and convince people that Armenia should be listed in the template, just like Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Cyprus. You should try to convince them that it should be listed not because "it is unfair not to list Armenia while listing Azerbaijan" (very simplistic and unconvincing argument), but because Armenia, just like Azerbaijan, and pretty much like Turkey and Cyprus are *European* both in terms of its contemporary political affiliation and culture. If you initiate such a discussion, I am prepared to support you as much as I can. --Tabib 09:40, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree with Tabib. I am also in favour of the inclusion of Armenia, together with Georgia, but we must do it with the right procedure. What also is frustrating is that you keep putting Armenia on the template and you don't do that with Georgia, which is arguably more European in some grounds. Maartenvdbent 17:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

This is full and complete nonsense: no one can vote to change the geography. Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, etc. are not located in Europe and, for this very reason, these countries cannot be viewed as European countries, no matter how many people will vote for this.65.148.145.22 00:28, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That is not true. Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey have some of there territory in Europe. Turkey has so according to ALL sources (Britannica, CIA et cetera), Georgia and Azerbaijan according to some of those reliable sources. Cyprus is not European according to geography, but it is considered to be because it has a culture more similar to Europe than to Asia and it is a member of the European Union. I agree that Armenia has no territory in Europe, but it is considered Europe often. See Europe article. Maartenvdbent 11:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Be nice

I saw the comment you left on User talk:Coolcat. That wasn't particularly nice. Even if you don't like what another person is editing, please avoid making personal attacks like that. →Raul654 18:19, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Your Knowledge of History is Limited

Just as the title says, from what I've seen you say it seems like you know very little. So I'm asking you to please stay out of historical discussions which you know very little about. Putting things which you found on a google search doesn't impress anyone, except mental midgets. - Unisgned Moosh88

On wikipedia you cannot ask people to leave out of discussions. Your knowlege of Wikipedia:Wikiquette is non existant. History is open for interpretations. There are always at least two different versions. Thats one solid thing in History science. Cat ^chi? 22:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vilen and Armenia

Alright, two quick things to address here:

First, the issue of Vilen, incase you didn't see my comment on the talk page, there was a consensus reached on the issue of whether to include Vilen at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Vilen and you even wrote a comment. Hence, the article should be removed as per community consensus.

Second, I agree with you on the fact that Armenia should be considered a part of Europe. However, your excessive rudeness is not needed. Remember, we're trying to be a community here, not a bunch of squibling idiots who need to hurl insults at each other just to get an opinion accross. Just remember the golden rule (yes, i know its cliche, but work with me).

Otherwise, I hope to see you as a great contributing member of Wikipedia someday! Just remember to try to keep the emotions/passions on the low down. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:49, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Vilen

Well, first, the other given names deal with a specific movie/album or something, or contain complex etymologies, or provide a list of famous people with that name. Pokemon, though annoying, have a degree of notability to them as the names are unique to Pokemon and may have origins or at least can be expanded on much more than just a given name. Also, having given names would allow for an ginormous amount of articles (think of the Chinese given names, or Indian given names, or Russian given names). All given name articles need to establish notability in the world. Also, could you sign your comments with four tildes (~) see WP:Sig. It just helps people to identify whose posting these comments without having to go back to search histories. Thanks. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 04:02, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Re:Vilen

Well, i would suggest trying to add to the History of Armenia as it seems that's a topic your intrested in. Overall, whenever i learn something new or get bored, i just surf around and find things i know about and add to them. And remember, nobody's perfect so it's okay to make bad edits once in a while. Some users have even yelled at me! lol. But yea, stay cheery, follow the community rules and just enjoy Wikipedia! If you have any further questions, go ahead and ask me (although i'm pretty new at this too :-S)Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions

More Vilen

The question still remains do we really need a Vilen article? Although it is a common armenian surname, perhaps it belongs more on the armenian wikipedia as it does not meet the English wikipedia requirements for notability... I know it must kind of sucks in your opinion, but we all have to comprimise sometimes. HOWEVER, if a Vilen becomes notable enough (say an emerging artist, actor, politician, etc.) to deserve his own article, then the creation of a Vilen given name page could be useful as a redirect toward that. But for now, just work on other things that need more attention. Sound good to you? Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions P.S. Basically, the current names act as disambiguation pages, while Vilen does not.. yet... however, if it can act as a disambig page someday, please make it so!

Disambiguations

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation, basically, a page that directs users to other pages that would fit it.. for example, see Bob as a almost perfect example. So if anybody/thing comes to be known as just "Vilen" as a nickname or somethng, that would justify a disambig page, or a sort-of-redirect page like Rick. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions

And your also right, people do argue over trivial things and start edit wars. As a reponsible member of Wikipedia, we try to avoid such things. One arguement i got into recently was at Talk:R2-D2 over wheter he was male or not :-S anyways, the purpose of wikipedia is to reach a consenus opinion, a compromise agreeable to both sides (as i eventually did in the R2-D2 case...) but yea, so basically, make logical arguments when your making your case, don't be rude to people, don't revert another person's edit without first discussing it in talk and remember, the administrators are here to help as a final solution. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions

How to add article to a category

I have responded to your question on how to add an article to a category, see Category talk:Ancient peoples. Hope that helps. Cheers. --cjllw | TALK 04:31, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

I'm going for admin!

Hello my Wikifriend! just wanted to tell you that I have been nominated for Adminship at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sasquatch. Any votes would be appreciated! Thanks =). Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 07:00, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Please put comments on talk pages.

I'm glad your're going to add your sources to Teishebaini. But please add discussion on my Talk page, not my user page. And the name is Jesse(account: JesseW => real name: Jesse). JesseW

On the article

In response to [1]

For a while, I've been trying to figure out what I actually think of the article, so I could reply, but my thoughts came out empty. This is probably because it's difficult to take the article seriously. It's easy for a person to theorise about the motivations of governments and about the type and sphere of influence of various lobbies. In reality, things are a lot more complicated and there are a lot of factors in any government action that may not be obvious, and some can be illogical or random. A non-journalistic opinion piece that presupposes its conclusions and does not give arguments contrary to its stance is dangerous to believe in any case. In any case, however, I think the recognition of the genocide is one of the smaller problems of our nation, given the corruption, emigration, quality of life, economic recess, Nagorno-Karabakh, income inequality, state of infrastructure, and other issues faced by Armenia. --Aramգուտանգ 12:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Greetings Moosh88

Anshousht Hay em. Karogh es inds het kapnvel ays hasceov: --Eupator 03:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks I got your e-mail, I took it off so others couldn't see it.--Moosh88 03:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

History of Azerbaijan lead and new content

Hi, Moosh88. I am afraid that the lead for the aboevmentioned entry is far too lengthy. Would you be able to better distribute its content throughout the article so we can arrive at a propper lead? Also, please review the uncited additions of 207.200.116.68, which I have reverted, and evaluate their merit and/or reintegrate them into the body of the article. Thank you in advance. El_C 03:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

More help sought

Hi again, thanks for all your help, and I need more of it, if you can spare the time. Can I have a your opinion on Hamshenis. Many thanks. El_C 10:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Starship Troopers

Hi. I saw your edit to Starship Troopers. I'm curious: who's the Armenian character? —JerryFriedman 00:27, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I haven't read the book in ages, so I don't recall his name, but I think it was the guy who didn't get along with the turkish soldier.--Moosh88 06:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Hm. I reread it recently, and I don't recall any two soldiers not getting along. —JerryFriedman 15:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi there

I'm new here at Wikipedia and I'm Armenian as well. Gah, it posted my IP. I'm user:Milou ge. 24.205.14.16

Yet more help sought

Hi, Moosh88, I hope you are doing well. It dosen't appear this is a language you are fluent in, but I thought I try anyway to see whether you find the contributions of 69.149.37.75 to be legit. I'm at a loss, and probably oversuspicious. Alas, here goes! Thanks. Cordially & sincerely yours, El_C 02:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Yerevan

It would be great if you could expand on Yerevan's history section. Milou ge 02:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

BCE/BC/CE/AD

I noticed your edit here, and thought I would point you to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Eras, which states that "Both the BCE/CE era names and the BC/AD era names are acceptable". See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#Principles, which states that "When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change." See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#BCE-CE_Debate, which states that "An extended discussion was followed by a vote which was evenly divided leaving the existing policy, both styles are acceptable, unchanged." As such, I have reverted your edit to the Rome: Total War page. —Simetrical (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

R. Daneel Olivaw

IIRC, Daneel appears in F. Fear (as Demerzel), F. & Chaos and F. Triumph. Are you sure he appears only two books of the trilogy? --Perfecto 14:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

He doesn't appear in Foundation's Edge. So no he is not in all of the newer Foundation books, but he is in more than just two. So the article could say some like "he appears in all of the newer Foundation books, except for Foundation's Edge"--Moosh88 03:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right he doesn't, but F. Edge is not part of Second Foundation Trilogy. Visit the article and see which book is part of which. :) --Perfecto 04:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy (navigation) RfC

We have a content dispute issue. Please comment on the talk page. This message is being sent out to everyone who didn't vote Delete in the last TfD of the template, ie: User:SimonP User:Jules.lt User:Pjacobi User:thames User:Michael User:Christopherparham User:FranksValli User:Silence User:Andymussell User:Moosh88 User:Rick Norwood User:Izehar

Urgent deletion issue

Hi, I created the Philosophy (navigation) template, and I voted for saving it too (as an IP). However, when I duplicated the template to adopt a new tag name, Infinity0 had a cow. We've been in an edit war since I started the template, and we escalated our battle to TfD, which was a big mistake, for now the whole project (both templates) is at risk because some people are voting to delete both. Meanwhile Infinity0 and I are voting to delete each other's TfD candidates, ironically pushing the delete votes for both templates into the majority. We need your help. Neither of us want both templates to die.

Here are the reasons to choose the "Philosophy Quick Topic Guide" tag:

• Both templates are identical, as changes are ported after each round of disputes, to keep them that way. We've nearly come to a compromise on the few edits that we are still at odds over, but Infinity0 is one stubborn kid. Our competition has improved the template continuously, which is a good thing.
• The conversion of the old tag to the new tag is complete.
  • The new tag has placement in Wikipedia articles. It is hooked in to the top level of the Philosophy hierarchy, and then some.
  • The old tag has virtually no placement in any Wikipedia articles. It's discussion page link sits on a bunch of users' talk pages, and that's about it. And since I placed most of the old tags, it didn't seem out of place for me to upgrade them.
• Since the content of the templates are identical, and the fact that jousting will continue on whichever template wins, it makes sense to vote for the one that maintains the project's presence on Wikipedia.

Please vote to save the template: click here. For further discussions click here

Go for it! 04:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Urartu

"Even more" is unsubstantiated. The analogy is there to make the article simple. If it was "even more" I wouldn't have added it in the first place. The analogy is also applicable because in all three cases A is IE, B is non-IE.--Eupator 21:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I know why you added it. I don't think it's appropriate. We cannnot say it's one and the same, we can only speculate.--Eupator 04:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. We can only speculate because we have no contemporary sources regarding the ethnic makeup of the region. Not even one. All we know is what language was used to write in cuneiform, a language related to Hurrian (perhaps its derivative) and that's not Armenian or even Indo-European nor were their names for the most part. See Argishtis I of Urartu for a possible IE etymology though. --Eupator 21:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote :)

Մենք արդեն իրար գիտենք, հիշողությունտ ո՞նց ա:--Eupator 05:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Parev

Thanks for the hello. Good to see you here, and hope to bump into you as we expand this wiki! :-) --RaffiKojian 07:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello

It's Armenak from the forums! :-) Hakob 01:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. I've mostly concentrated on geography (cities like Dilijan, Gyumri, etc.) but I can contribute to history as well. I have quite a decent collection of Armenian History books. 24.205.27.237 04:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

It's in the best out of the bunch: Armenian. Hakob 05:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Sasha Ogata

This article has been deleted as it made no claims to notability per the guidleines for inclusion for humans. If you have references that provide evidence of such, just ask me and I'll restore the page for you so that you may add them. - brenneman^{T}{L} 05:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

That was inconsiderate of you to delete the article without notifing me first. Anyways, she fits under the notability guidelines as she has appeared in many magizines, has a fan base, and name recognition. So, do restore the page and I'll add the relevent info.--Moosh88 07:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that by notifying you of the speedy deletion I was actually giving you a good deal more consideration than many would have. Would you prefer if restored in your user space where you can work on it or restored in main space with an AfD nomination on it?
brenneman^{T}{L} 07:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I've restored it to User:Moosh88/Sasha Ogata. Once you've got it up to a level that you think passes the guideline, move it out into main space or drop me a note and I'll do it for you. You should be aware though that the bar for glamour models is very high in that AfD tends to treat them with brutal disdain. - brenneman^{T}{L} 08:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Glamour models

Afd goes feral when they think they see advertising. Porn "stars" get savaged for this reason, but then usually a few people charge to their defence based upon "wikipedia not censored for minors" or somesuch. The pseudo-porn industry falls into the gap - too "advertish" for most people, not "adult" enough to get defended. Drop me a note when you've got the article up to what you think is the level that will survive a nomination and I'll have a look at it and tell you what I think. - brenneman^{T}{L} 04:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'd put in the exact volume of the magazines that she's appeared in, with links to the relevent online version where they exist. As it stands it is no longer a speedy deltion candidate but would be highly unlikely to survive an AfD nomination.
• I also note that it appears you've done a cut and paste move from the userpage version to the mainspace version. This is very close to the top of the "worst things that you can ever do" list. It breaks GFDL as it loses the page history and is very difficult for an admin to clean up after if more than one person has edited the page.
• I'm going to re-delete the new version and you can move the userspace version into main space by using the "move" tab. Then you should tag the re-direct left behind for deletion. If that's all too much stuffing around, let me know and I'll do it for you.
  

brenneman^{T}{L} 04:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Katie Couric images

You need to give the sources of these images otherwise they may be deleted. Image:Katiecouric 019.jpg, Image:Katie+Couric+177.jpg Thanks Arniep 23:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yerevan Metro

The article which your colleagues started has received quite an impulse from me, can I ask you to check the translits and maybe expand? --Kuban Cossack 00:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Azeri POV pusher(s)

Hey Moosh, you may have noticed that I haven't been involved in many Armenia-related articles recently, which is because I currently don't have a lot of time to spend on Wikipedia. Since constantly monitoring pages, looking up sources to support almost every single statement, and replying to extensive talk page discussions takes up a lot of time, I've chosen to spend the little time I have on purely non-controversial additions to Wikipedia. If I ever find myself with a lot of time on my hands, I will certainly help in monitoring and NPOVing Armenia-related articles, but for now, I'm afraid I can't help you. Also, I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm not an administrator, so I can't protect pages, you should take a look at Wikipedia:List of administrators instead. Good luck. --Aramգուտանգ 21:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Image copyright problem with Image:Yuko.jpg

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^{Copied from my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)}

I didn't quite understand what info you need for the Yuko picture that I posted, can you please elaborate?--Moosh88 22:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Well you claim that the copyright holder have released all rights to the photo and agree to let anyone use it for anyting. What makes you say that? Where does it say that the image is not copyrighted? You see unless the copyright holder have actively released all theyr rights to the image it is in fact fully copyright protected, no copyright notice or anyting like that is required (sadly it is a common misunderstanding that anyting without a explicit copyright notice can be used freely). Even if the copyright holder have agreed to let people use the image for private or non-commercial purposes the license tag you put on it would still be inapropriate as it says there are no restrictions on it. If you want to use this kind of images here I'd suggest reading Wikipedia:Fair use and see if your use of the image meet our fair use criterea instead. You may also find this helpfull (still work in progress though (feel free to suggest improvements on it's talk page), and don't take the title personaly). Hope this answers your questions, I realise these things are hopelessly complicated at times. --Sherool (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

^{Copied from my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)}

Thanks for responding. So what tag do you think would be ok for the image, and what restrictions do you think the image has? I really apriaciate your help!--Moosh88 23:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Well in the absense of any kind of explicit release info we have to asume the image is "all rightrs reserved", in this case I would think a {{fairusin|Yuko Aoki}} tag along with a fair use rationale for that page might be acceptable though. Read Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale to get an idea of what you need to include in your rationale to justify using the image in that article. Some more info on the origin of the image would be nice too, I doubht the site you link to actualy hold any rights to the image. --Sherool (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Help needed

Hey Moosh, would you be able to help me out by reverting User:-Inanna- on the Adana page? I'm not asking you to get into a dispute, but I was just wondering if you could do me a favor. After that you don't have to revert.

Basically, a bunch of Turkish editors are trying to delete information about the Adana massacre and adding a paragraph about how a large number Turks were killed by Armenians. Of course they haven't cited any neutral sources. --Khoikhoi 08:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, she's been warned a billion times. Check her block log. Hey, don't give up! I've been having to deal with nationalist POV-pushers for as long as I can remember. Yesterday, I was reverting three of them at once - one Turkish, one Greek, and one Georgian. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

The only way to get a user banned is to file an ArbCom, something that I'm honestly too lazy to do. I don't think they're a huge problem right now, I've encountered worse. I think I already know all of them that there is to know, but you can inform me on any that I'm not aware of. :) I know Baku87 from a long time ago, he's added Azeri POV to articles pretty much forever. BTW, I don't think Adkagansu is a POV-pusher, and I honestly believe that he's just trying to make these articles more neutral. --Khoikhoi 04:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, some of the editors that have been pushing their POV are User:-Inanna-, User:TuzsuzDeliBekir, User:Hybridlily, and User:Metb82. This is simply my experience. Yeah, Baku87 isn't new, but he doesn't edit that much. --Khoikhoi 04:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I disagree with Khoikhoi about Adkagansu. It seems to me that he has been editing the Mount Ararat page in a very intolerant manner. He tears down a photograph that is better than the one he provided, then he reverts hard fact, not POV - that there is unhappiness among Armenians about Ararat belonging to Turkey. If you are pursuing him then good luck. Viewfinder 09:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I note that Khoikhoi has deleted the Avitya photograph (I have restored it). This suggests that Khoikhoi and Adkagansu are acting together and that Khoikhoi's view of Adkagansu is biased. I am primarily into topography, not history, so I cannot really comment specifically on historical matters, but I think you should take this matter to a more senior Wikipedia source. Viewfinder 00:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Just rechecked and discovered that Khoikhoi has thanked me for restoring the Avitya photo, so maybe I am wrong about the above mentioned acting together, but I still think you should take this to a more senior source. Viewfinder 00:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Who the hell are you? Khoikhoi? How can you say you know me while I never even heard of you? All you do is spread fake stuff about me, grow up! Baku87 16:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)Baku87

I don't know who the above post is referring to, me or Viewfinder, in either case, it's you (baku87) that needs to group up and stop spreading your hateful POV.--Moosh88 21:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moosh, just thought you wanted to see this. --Khoikhoi 01:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem! BTW I notice there's been a revert war happening on the Khojaly massacre page. Is there still a lot more that needs to be done to the article? --Khoikhoi 03:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm already in whole bunch of other disputes, try reporting things to an admin if things heat up. As for Baku87, I warned him about personal attacks. If he does it again, I suggest you immediately talk to User:InShaneee about it. --Khoikhoi 04:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Count me aboard

Sorry for the belated response but I didn't realize we had to put our names on the page. --MarshallBagramyan 18:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

On Khojaly

Perhaps my comments were not clear enough but although I affirmed that both sides' stories exist to some extent, equally, additional information must be added. Where I find it most lacking is the response by HRW in 1992 and the background information such as the siege of Stepanakert. Obviously much more information has been revealed since then including the death of the man who videotaped the aftermath of attack. Further questions arise from the wildly swinging casualty rates proposed by the Azeris from as little as 150 to nearly several thousand. With that said, I have my reservations of what actually occurred but have taken into consideration statements made by the commander who organized the attack against Khokaly, Sarkisyan, who hinted that many of the men came from Sumgait and Baku, locations of Azeri pogroms. This was also corroborated in Markar Melkonian's book My Brother's Road on his brother, Melkon Melkonian, who expressed his anger over several soldiers who took part in the attack and possibly massacred women and children. I doubt some large scale massacre took place at the scale the Azeris continue to promulgate every year (civilians killed in the crossfire, freezing to death while fleeing the city, etc.) I'm a bit skeptical to rule out the deeds of some "bad apples".

There was a report in Izvestiya in Feburary 1992 on the offical, detailed Armenian version though I am having trouble finding it. If you find any discrepancies in what I've said, point them out and I'll reconsider them. Here's an interesting quote I found by a member of the Sakharov Foundation who traveled there in the aftermath:

"All the evidence that we have indicates that the recent Khojali massacre (of Azeris by Armenians) really took place, although it appears that the numbers being given by the Azeris are widly exaggerated. (estimates have varied from a few hundred to a few thousand). It should be remembered amidst the international expressions of horror at Khojali that (Armenian) residents of Stepanakert are dying every day under rocket barrage from (Azeri) positions in nearby Shusha. Is it worse when people are killed all at once than when they are picked off a few at a time?" - David Leopold US human rights lawyer

ONLY INTERNATIONAL FORCE CAN PREVENT AN ALL-OUT KARABAKH WAR' Walter Ruby/MOSCOW. Jerusalem Post. Jerusalem: Mar 17, 1992. pg. 05

With regards, Armen--MarshallBagramyan 02:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry for the late reply

I won't take part on the Wikiproject: Armenia, because I am planning one about the Armenian Genocide with various articles. BTW, Sedat Laciner is on Wikipedia contributing under two different usernames. Fad (ix) 20:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moosh - I'll keep an eye on him. (not stalking, of course, just to check if he makes any POV edits) I have no idea who he is, but from his contributions I don't think he thinks very highly of Kurds or Armenians. --Khoikhoi 23:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Anyways, take care. :) --Khoikhoi 23:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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Bagratid Dynasties

Welcome back!

Wikibreak, eh? BTW, you left the message for Armenicum on his user page, not his talk page.

I tried to fix your user page, but I reverted because it's not mine to mess with. What did you think of it? —Khoikhoi 00:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, done. —Khoikhoi 00:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, actually, I already did. Can you please help me out on Abdullah Öcalan? Some user keeps adding a POV category. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 01:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm talking about the terrorist categories that Metb82 keeps adding. All the best, —Khoikhoi 01:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Armenicum needs help

Thanks for your message in my talk page. I have a question. None of the pages I created can be found when I search for them even if I search them by the name of the page. Why is that?

Thanks, Armenicum

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Help

Hey Moosh,

Baku87 has been going around changing all instances of a discription of Armenian control in NK to "occupation" (check his contributions, pages such as Lachin and Khojali). Can you please help me out here? The more neutral term is control. Thank you. Khoikhoi 18:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, sounds good. Cheers, —Khoikhoi 04:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW, perhaps you could review this edit and make sure it's neutral, thanks. —Khoikhoi 04:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, look at this. It's a blatant personal attack. ("you must be Armenian" and "biased dolt") but apparently I should let that kind of crap stay up for everyone to see? This is just going to bring up hatred at Wikipedia. What should I do? —Khoikhoi 04:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

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Re: PAs

Hey Moosh. Thanks for the advice! Cheers. —Khoikhoi 04:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Massacres. —Khoikhoi 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem! —Khoikhoi 00:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Looks like we are getting closer to a compromise, you can check in on the poll here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Walton_monarchist89#Straw_poll-Armenia

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• nice one! User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Hi I am leaving you with this barnstar for you to reflect carefully on. I will provide the citation in a few days once you have had the opportunity to consider why I might think that you deserve it. Peace User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well done for all of your fantastic editing / writing: you are obviously a genius of our day, shining like the brightest barnstar against a dark barnnight in these new and difficult wiki-times. I therefore award you the surreal barnstar (I can't get the other barnstars to work properly - my apologies.) Please note that you have no right to remove the barnstar, for it is sacred. LEAVE WELL ALONE! Many thanks.

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• cool editing

• Awesome

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• Hy my cat (the fat white one) is awarding you this barnstar of diligence because he doesn't eat fish either. He just likes to eat biscuits - or so he says. But how then does he get so fat????

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Nairi and Naharin

Contrary to a popular opinion here on wikipedia, these words are merely cognate. They have the same root, but not the same meaning. They refer to two different regions on different sides of the Tigris. Thanatosimii 17:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing

I've rolled back your blatant canvassing. Please review WP:CANVASS to see what is and isn't acceptable. --ST47Talk·Desk 23:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Use of the word "vandalism" assumes bad faith. Such is not permitted on wikipedia. Please be civil. Thanatosimii 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's not. Thanatosimii 04:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't constitute vandalism, nor incivlity. There are seperate rules as far as when and how to revert goes. Thanatosimii 05:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't constitute incivility or vandalism, because that is not how wikipedia pages define the term. Thanatosimii 05:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

the points you are bringing up (in particular, armenianhighland.com) have been discussed many times. If you want to revisit the topic, please familiarize yourself with article histories (in particular, the story of Ararat arev (talk · contribs)), and the processes described at Wikipedia:Consensus and Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Stubborn reverting will not result in the revision you prefer, and will at best get you blocked from editing. regards, dab (𒁳) 06:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Due to your edit patterns, Remedy 2 of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 shall now apply to you. Remedy 2 of the case reads: The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 08:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)