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Vandalism of Build-Operate-Transfer

Why the hell did I receive a message that I vandalized it? While in fact, all that I added into it are truth. Philippines is really part of the program Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) and I just added it to its right place.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.105.139.62 (talk • contribs).

The edit I reverted and warned you for was blanking the entire article and replacing it with "OWNED". You can see the diff here. Kuru ^talk 05:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh.. Sorry for that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.105.136.181 (talk • contribs).

User:Aatomic1

This editor that you blocked last night is using sockpuppets to evade their block and edit war. Please see the history of Birmingham pub bombings. Kind regards. 217.44.10.252 12:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Seems there are new editors doing exactly what this editor was blocked for could you have a look dont want to get in to an edit war with these new editors thanks. BigDunc 12:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

There has been eleven changes made here[[1]] since this morning they are trying to get it blocked with the names of the dead included against consensus.BigDunc 13:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

My apologies - I am unable to react to this during the day; checking now. Kuru ^talk 02:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It would appear the article is now semi-protected, which will prevent him from using socks to continue to edit war for now. If he ages a few accounts and starts reverting with them, or if he immediately returns from his block and starts the same activity, please let me know. For now I've added Birmingham pub bombings to my watchlist. Kuru ^talk 02:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Prince2 and the anonymous spammer

Hi there Kuru, I saw the excellent work that you did on trying to remove the spam links from the external links section of the Prince2 article. I have tried to resurrect this effort and I have put the page out to RFC. Unfortunately only one user has commented and it is undoubtedly the anonymous spammer. Obviously there is no point doing an RFC if the anonymous spammer can post whatever anonymous comments he wants. You seem to be a far more experienced wikipedian than myself and was wondering if you had any ideas what to do? Wikikob 13:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that Wikikob finds it necessary to trouble you Kuru, but I cannot allow his abuse to pass without comment.

I am apparently "the anonymous spammer". A disgraceful allegation of course, name calling simply because I dared to disagree with him. In fact my comments following his were my first ever and I have no affiliation with any commercial entity in this field at all.

Contrary to his comments there are clearly a number of contributors supporting retention of those links, such as Stevo, PRINCEAndy and others. You probably recall this fact.

I would also draw your attention to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk.

Statements he made on there like "I am determined not to let him beat me" are of concern as they illustrate a mission other than to contribute to the quality of the page. The (short) edit history of Wikikob comprises almost entirely of deletions and no content input. This is not wrong in itself, but it is not usual for someone to engage in such a determined campaign with such a background.

Doesn't this strike you as strange? Well it did me, which is why I took a look and have taken the trouble to counter him. I find it hard to believe that a casual observer would register and behave like this straight off the bat. It does not make sense. It seems to me that he does have some other mission.

Hopefully the community here will flush this out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.110.218.226 (talk) 14:49, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

I have not looked at the PRINCE2 article in quite some time - I'll take a look again and read through the commentary when I get an opportunity. Kuru ^talk 14:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I've looked at all the commentary and links and have responded at Talk:PRINCE2. Kuru ^talk 03:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Kuru, I am getting fed up with this anonymous user who keeps following me around and I hardly feel its worth bothering you with this but I have to counter assertions such as "the edit history of Wikikob comprises almost entirely of deletions and no content input" and that I am a recently registered user. The truth is that I registered as a user in October 2004 and have made substantial contributions to the Prince2 article. This is my first experience with a wikipedia troll and it just makes me wonder why wikipedia allows anonymous users to contribute. Why not ask everyone to register? Oh well, all part of my learning experience. Anyway, thanks for your input. Wikikob 08:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ignore it. You're a professional and should have a thicker skin by now... :) As to anonymous edits; you might be stunned at how much of the encyclopedia is built through IP addresses. I've spent a lot of time on recent changes patrol, and the ratio of good edits to overt vandalism is about 10 to 1, with some of the edits being major. Yes, it's annoying to track down a persistent vandal with a rotating IP, but I'm happy to take the time out to do it if it saves the anonymous edit ability of the other 9 editors. :) Kuru ^talk 00:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Tim Duncan

Hi there, as the Tim Duncan article is now undergoing FAC, and I've noticed you do edit the article from time to time, I was wondering what are your thoughts regarding the state/quality of the article? Thanks. Chensiyuan 02:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks spectacular; I actually read through a good portion of it last night. Y'all are doing your normal great job on the NBA articles; it's nice to see the Spurs get some development. Kuru ^talk 15:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Our pleasure! Chensiyuan 16:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Tutorial

Kuru, I think the Wikipedia tutorial needs to be fixed to explain how to cite references, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Can you help? --Foggy Morning 03:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting; I've never played around with the tutorial pages there before. Using the php style ref tags might be a little confusing for new users, though. They should probably be mentioned somewhere in there so that people at least know what they are when they see the code. Maybe a pointer to the mediawiki help page on them? Kuru ^talk 03:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The Mediawiki help page is pretty techy-babble -- I guess I say that because I don't understand it! :-) But I've picked up the drift about how <ref></ref> and {{Reflist}} and <references/> work to link citations to text in Wikipedia. That's not very complicated. And citation templates aren't too complicated once you get used to them, working on a basic level. (For me, not 100% correct, but I try to get the main info in place.)

Some experienced Wikipedia editors think that references are quotes, believe it or not. I checked the definitions in Financial ratio against a book I have and cited the source I used, and User:pgreenfinch thought I was creating a "quotefarm". I was just trying to give a source for the information I could confirm, and tag the other information as uncomfirmed or unsourced. Another experienced Wikipedia editor, User:gregalton seemed to support citing a reference for article text, but he doesn't usually cite references for his additions to Wikipedia. So I think that editors don't know how to do this, even experienced editors.

I don't think it's too complicated to replace the Wikipedia Tutorial explanation about External Links with an explanation about how to use ref tags and reflists to cite sources for text in Wikipedia. But I don't know how to edit the tutorial pages.

If there are some Wikipedia politics involved with this issue, I'm sorry if I'm rocking the boat. --Foggy Morning 02:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Aatomic1

Could you please have a look at this, [2]. Despite this [3] and an ongoing mediation, this editor continues with edit warring. [4] [5] [6]. Thanks --Domer48 22:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Also please note this [a]; this [7]] and this[b] Aatomic1 23:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

That's amazing. I've protected the page for now pending the conclusion of your mediation. Other comments on the article's talk page. Kuru ^talk 00:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Thank you for protecting Birmingham pub bombings, while I work on getting consensus. Dreamy ^\*/_!$! 14:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Buffalo Watershed.png

Hi, you created this picture. Would it be possible for you to give it a bit more contrast, the blue is very light and difficult to see. --213.155.231.26 17:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC) (too lazy to login for this simple message, greetings anyway)

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, the text is pretty crappy - I'll try to fire up the mapping material next time I get some time off. Kuru ^talk 02:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Hardouin reported by User:ThePromenader (Result: no violation)

Can I ask you to reconsider your decision? The contributor in question is gaming the system to the extreme, and WP:MEAT is akin to WP:SOCK in Wikipedia's books. I left an additional comment on the 3RR page article.

There wouldn't be a problem if the above contributor was promoting verifiable fact, but instead is agressively promoting a personal "theory" agenda in reverting the same. I have done much to get mediation in this, but in the meantime User:Hardouin is doing all he can to profit from the low traffic/level of knowledge of most English wiki contributors in these articles to promote personal agenda over fact. The facts are readily available (and even obvious), if you have the time to read the relevent talk page - in looking at this perhaps this user's agenda will be clearer: reverting to the same unverifiable terminology again and again on the same articles, and this for more than two years now - and yesterday's reverts were just more of the same. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 06:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Promenader's aggressive behavior and accusations

Hi Kuru. Just discovered Promenader's accusations today. This is not the first time this happens. This must be the 7th or 8th time this user accuses someone of being my sock-puppet and files 3RR complaints against me. Whenever someone agrees with me and disagrees with him, then it must necessarily be my sock-puppet! He even asked some admin to check if their was sock-puppetry once, but of course the admin couldn't find any sock-puppetry, yet this hasn't stopped Promenader from renewing accusations as you can see. I wonder if you know a way I could report Promenader's behavior. His harassment is reaching extremes. Whenever I edit Wikipedia he reverts my edits within hours with complete disregard for civility and Wikilove, then go on making accusations and starts fights. It has lasted for almost two years now. Two years of harassment! I have told admins before, but nobody has really inquired on Promenader's behavior so far. Do you know any admin that could check this? If you're interested I can give you a list of editors who have witnessed Promenader's behavior in the past two years and who will happily tell you about his behavior. Hardouin 09:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

You'll notice that everything in the above is but an insinuative attempt at character assasination, and that nothing in the above concerns anything about disputed fact. I'm sorry that I am so insistant in my efforts to see that the concerned articles (those concerning Paris, as far as I'm concerned - and no further) remain verifiable, but the fact of the matter is very simple and accessible to all. As for my behaviour, I have never resorted to sock-puppetry (as User:Hardouin has), nor sought the aid of those not knowledgable in the subjects I am dealing to "back" my edits, nor partaken in behind-the-scenes e-mail campaigns to garner the favour of (France-ignorant) admins and contributors. As for civility: one can only maintain WP:FAITH for so long; User:Hardouin and I live in the same region, and I (as well as he) know that he is fully aware of the fact of what he writes, and this (hi)story has been going on for more than two years now for everything concerning low-traffic Paris articles. ～～～～ —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePromenader (talk • contribs) 14:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC) - sorry, was working from a shift-jis-only IBM computer. THEPROMENADER 23:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

re the eXile and WP:BLP

User:Dsol has been shopping his complaint around for a long time now, including with User:SlimVirgin and User:Brighterorange and nobody has yet taken him up on his proposal that the eXile article should include phrases about a named well known celebrity having 2 vaginas and a named well known reporter having a horse sperm creme pie shoved in his face. Please see SlimVirgin's removal of this tabloid information [8]

Please remember that WP:BLP states that Wikipedia is not a tabloid, and that biographical info for LPs must be stated conservatively. Dsol might object that it is all quoted by reliable sources: a) not true, b) irrelevant,

a) the couple of sources he's managed to dig up are just saying that the eXile said "..." Quite a difference. They also say things like (approx) "The eXile visciously attacks innocent people and goes well beyond the bounds of decency." Without the qualifiers, the article is simply misleading.

b) irrelevant. The info as presented is still direct from a tabloid, still not conservatively presented, still misleading, and not needed in the article. On it's face it is completely against WP:BLP. Nobody at WP:BLPN will support him so he shops it elsewhere. Do please look at his claimed support by User:The Evil Spartan, and please be aware that he will misquote you too.

In short, I can't see anything to discuss with Dsol, he wants to include garbage in a Wikipedia article, and I'll revert it. If you want to decide this matter, I'll ask that you look closely at the article and what Dsol wants in there very carefully. Also please look at what other administrators have done.

Thanks in advance for your carefulness.

24.127.156.41 00:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I won't extensively argue with this anon's comments here because I've already adressed them at the BLP noticeboard page, and since it's better to keep discussion centralized anyway. I would only repeat that the 4 sources I cited are not merely repeating the eXile's claims, and do assert the incident as fact, e.g. the salon inteviewer also reported personally seeing photos of the incident, and one source even claimed to have fact-checked it with the NYT by phone. I think this anon's behavior goes well beyond requesting reliable sources into wilful censorship. I would encourage you to read the links if you have any doubts, and if possible explain to this anon that s/he should assume good faith, as at this point s/he "no longer sees" anything to discuss with me. Dsol 01:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree with SV's actions as the material was presented at the time; the sources sucked and the allegations were presented as fact. Both the material, and the sources have changed since then. Honestly, we could probably do without the salacious details, but that's something you two should continue to discuss. You both seem like intelligent adults capable of finding some language that both illustrates the events and does so responsibly. Please continue the discussion at the BLP noticeboard before blindly reverting the material. Kuru ^talk 02:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Birmingham Pub Bombings

Some Dumbot has unprotected Birmingham Pub Bombings Aatomic1 12:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[9]

Hi Kuru. I noticed that you hardblocked this user for having an inappropriete username, but that you used the {{Usernameblocked}}, instead of the {{Usernamehardblocked}} on their talk page. That's perfectly fine, but I think for hardblocking inappropriete usernames, the message would have been more clear with the other template. No worries, though.--U.S.A. (talk contribs) 17:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You're absolutely right - I hit the wrong button... :) Should be fixed now. Kuru ^talk 17:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Blocked JBHSBandGeek

Thank you for addressing my problem. I actually do not remember posting anything about Disney. It's possible that someone logged on using my screen name. I'll change my password so that no one can edit anything under my name again. Thanks! (JBHSBandGeek 18:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC))

re 172.129.240.83 block

Thanks for your message at my talkpage. I have requested 172.129.240.83 clarify their reason for unblock on their talkpage. I don't see any point in lifting a block just so they can test how far they can push before getting muzzled again, but I don't mind a "goodwill" reduction in tariff if they make a reasonable case.

I am commenting here because it is late in the UK and I may well go offline before any response from the editor. If you are still online please feel free to amend the tariff as you see fit. Cheers. LessHeard vanU 00:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I have unblocked, on the basis that a vandal hopefully reformed now is better than a revenging vandal in two days time. I'm off to bed forthwith, so I will request you supply the banhammer if they do go back to old practices. LessHeard vanU 00:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Understood - I'll check in on him from time to time. Kuru ^talk 00:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Range blocks

Hi, I have my own Wiki, how do I perform a range block?

If you're curious why: [10] Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 02:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, I've yet to have to pull that trigger. You can find the mediawiki instructions on it here, though. Hope that helps... Kuru ^talk 02:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Galileo Wiki

The facts concerning Galileo are exactly as I stated them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.4.216.68 (talk) 06:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean where you changed his name to "brandon casey" a year and a half ago? Sure, sparky. Kuru ^talk 13:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Block of CNNfanDotCom (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I released the autoblock myself, but thanks for the note! —[[Animum | talk]] 22:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For beating me to a whole heck of a lot of reverts. Cheers! ;) Into The Fray T/C 22:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I stepped on your warnings a few times - sorry!  :) Kuru ^talk 02:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Conan the Cimmerian

Hello! Please see my latest entry at the Conan the Barbarian discussion page. PointDread 20:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Noted, I've replied there. If no one starts up in a few weeks, let's make the move. Kuru ^talk 00:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Outsourcing

Re: your deletion of my edit. I think an article on outsourcing should mention online outsourcing, including examples (as with the examples of traditional outsourcing companies, wich I deleted as I fail to see how they add to the article). It's a very rapidly growing area. I listed several and am researching others. I actually think online outsourcing deserves its own entry, particularly with regards to the area of social responsibility - in that it gives people in developing nations the opportunity to earn income performing useful services for people in the developed world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinm5 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

A big spammy list of commercial external links combined with some uncited puffery about online outsourcing is not a constructive addition to the article. Concur with the removal of the list of 'example vendors' - I think I've made the same edit in the past. Kuru ^talk 03:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Your Blocking of My Editing of Indonesia

Hello, Kuru. Your action is unfortunate, unwarranted, unnecessary, and unkind. Apparently you fell into the trap of some so-called 'editors' here.

I am well-aware of the etiquette required when contributing to Wikipedia, a PUBLIC forum where no registered user or group of users has editorial authority. However, some here (including yourself) do not honor the spirit of this forum but regularly violate it while falsely accusing sincere contributors of violations; I can see you are either one of the false accusers or simply someone who allowed himself to be carried away by a mob mentality instead of exercising character and examining what really happened. This is all I have to say to you. (wikimuppy) Wikipuppy 17:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You've been pointed in the direction of the WP:3RR policy roughly half a dozen times now. I could not honestly care less about your rather simple content dispute. Kuru ^talk 18:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Please note also that (s)he is now breaking WP:SOCK policy to circumvent the block. — Indon (reply) — 01:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Si. The sock account was blocked right after the above response and a reminder of the policy left on the original account's page. Kuru ^talk 01:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

why did you delete my new entry before I even finished it? that's not cool.

I am writing a page about traffic shortcuts - a necessary part of our 21st century auto-centered lives. My intent is to add other tools and links for people to use to help themselves (www.mytrafficshortcuts.com / www.trafficdocumentary.com / www.sigalert.com)

Is this not allowed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traffique (talk • contribs) 20:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No, you're essentially creating a promotional article for your non-notable commercial web site. Please stop. Kuru ^talk 20:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy

Dear colleague administrator-- with respect to the admittedly unsatisfactory article on Nefertiti- Ancient Beauty, Contemporary Leader‎" , which you deleted as "An article already exists on this subject under the correct name; the content is obviously copied form another source, likely a copyright violation; this article is beyond salvage." -- which speedy criterion on WP:CSD exactly does this explanation refer to ? DGG (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I misread the tag in my haste and presumed it was the verified variety of copyvio. Thank you for cleaning up the situation, and my apologies. Kuru ^talk 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You call this a free encyclopedia, Kuru ?

You are allowed to write about the Spanish Governor's Palace 1722 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Governor%27s_Palace

I am not allowed to write about the Croatian "guvernadur" Prince Frane Posedarski 1658 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=%22guvernadur%22+knez+Frane+Posedarski+&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brkic (talk • contribs) 10:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Your 3RR block has long since expired. I'm afraid I have no idea what your current issue is, nor does your demeanor endeavor me to assist you. Thanks. Kuru ^talk 12:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Just unblock (undo) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase Kuru

Show me that you are not one of them. (Spylab, Rjecina, laughing man, Steel359, Kuru. Kirker)

--Brkic 14:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Chapter 27

Just to inform you that User:67.177.229.191 vandalized Chapter 27. I've undone the vandalism but I noticed that 67.177.229.191 has been warned twice already so this would make vandalism nubmer three at least.--Gonzalo84 20:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Horchata

I did not do anything to this page. I have not even seen this page before? Why did I get a warning? 69.229.96.253 01:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone using your IP address did indeed vandalize the article back in March; the same time the warning is dated. Safe to say you can simply ignore the warning. Kuru ^talk 03:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Kudos Kuru

I don't know how to add smiley faces or stuff to this message, but I've seen you watch over many articles and keep stuff here on track. You welcomed me in a welcome message long ago and I haven't forgotten that nice message from you that made me keep coming back and trying to make Wiki better. Thank you for your welcome and patience and defending Wikipedia against nonsense. Kudos, Kuru! --Foggy Morning 04:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I apologize

Between December 14, 2005 and June 7, 2007, I vandalized Wikipedia under my previous username (YechielMan) and under various IP addresses and alternate accounts.

I recently reviewed the contribution logs of all the accounts and IP addresses that I can recall having used. My goal was to identify all of the intentionally harmful edits I caused, and to apologize to the individual users who reverted those edits, or warned me, or blocked me.

Hence, I apologize to you and to all of the following users:

Adam Bishop, Amarkov, Antandrus, AntiVandalBot, Bdj (Badlydrawnjeff), Conk 9, CanbekEsen, DLand, Downwards, Eagle 101, Ericbronder, Gogo Dodo, High on a tree, Hut 8.5, Interiot, Jayjg, Jrwallac, Kingboyk, Kuru, Noclip, Patrick Berry, PFHLai, PhantomS, Pollinator, Rachack, Ranma9617, Rx StrangeLove, SlimVirgin, Tfrogner, TommyBoy, Vary, Woohookitty, Zzuuzz, and some anonymous IPs. (I also reverted one edit myself after it went unnoticed for three weeks.)

Thank you for maintaining the integrity of Wikipedia against everyone who has attacked it, including my old self.

If you wish to respond, please do so at my talk page.

Best regards, Shalom (Hello • Peace) 19:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Lease option and Lease purchase contract articles

Kuru, I understand and appreciate your comments. With utmost respect, this is the second time you and I have discussed this matter. As I have stated to you before, I am the original creator of the articles Lease option and Lease purchase contract . As you can see by the history of the articles, original credit goes to Lease2Purchase.com. The link I added to Lease option titled What is a Lease 2 Purchase contract? from Lease2Purchase.com was already included in Lease purchase contract and has 100% relevance to the topic, yet you removed it from both articles, citing it as spam. Did you examine the link I added? Spend a minute of your time and read the link I provided, it is valuable information to most folks whom find themselves researching this topic.

I have been a real estate investor specializing in these techniques for over 10 years. I am an expert on the subject. With all the misinformation on the internet regarding this topic, the link I provided is without question the most accurate definition available and would be welcome information to all visitors who happen upon these pages. I respectfully request that you add the link back to both articles.

Ironically, I am also an original contributor to an open-source *nix server-side email spam filter, which might help you understand how I could be offended that I am now actually accused of being a spammer. I look forward to your reply.

Edit: It is possible I am mistaken about previously speaking with you about this. It could have been with a different Wikipedia member. My apologies if this is the case.

Respectfully, Jeff_B 13:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your professional query, Jeff. I'm afraid, as you noted, that I cannot find a previous conversation between us, so apologies if you've covered this before. The links you added were, in my opinion, not a neutral and reliable source of information on the topic. Most of the text seemed to be a sales pitch promoting the topic with some fairly breezy and unsubstantiated claims of wealth building. The pitch ends with a fairly blatant "May I have your business?" section exclusively promoting your product, right along with guarantees and an order spot. I'm happy that you've spent time fighting spam; I'm disappointed that you're using that credential to justify indisputable commercial self-promotion. Please use your obvious knowledge of the topic to add cited and factual information to the articles; and skip the promotional links, please. We'd love to have your contributions to the encyclopedia! Kuru ^talk 23:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Because I'm somewhat new to actually editing articles, would a link to the L2P Chat Board (I will delete this link after I receive your reply), which does not contain promotional material, be considered an unacceptable link for the two articles? My apologies if this is not the right place to discuss this. Jeff_B 01:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit-1: Also, what if the links to the page in question were removed (the links moving the visitor forward to the How-To page? I could create a special page without any further links. Would the article then be acceptable to add to Wikipedia?

Edit-2: Kuru, are you not willing to discuss this with me anymore? I was thinking about joining the Wikipedia adoption program.

Sorry, I had missed the response. We're here to build articles in Wikipedia. I can see little at your site other than some unreferenced commentary and a low traffic forum. I would strongly favor your constructive efforts in building the article; not in adding external links. Thanks. Kuru ^talk 11:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

With much regret, it appears that we will have to agree to disagree. I had sincerely hoped that you would help guide me rather than taking a firm "No" stance.

The L2P chat board averages more than 1,500 unique visits each day, with over 7 years and 20,000+ messages which are searchable in the archive. The vast majority of users come for information, and once they find it they go about their business. I owe it to anyone searching for information on the subject to explain to you that lease options are highly specialized and objective, thus once a topic has been discussed, there really isn't much more to be said about it. Furthermore, your "unreferenced commentary" criticism above is offensive and not appreciated. Like most folks, I work hard at what I do and take pride in it.

Please remember that I've already had this conversation with another Wikipedia member who already authorized the link and content I added -- which you subsequently removed with (apparently) minor due diligence. I am the author of the original articles. Without my contributions, they likely wouldn't even exist.

I've made a conscious effort to check the articles every day (I've already removed some spam in just three days!). As free time allows it, I plan to stay active with them, which includes adding useful links. If you plan to "filter" what I add, please read up on the subject. A great place to start would be here: Lease purchase contract, and then spend five good minutes on the L2P chat board. Jeff_B 11:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Kuru, I don't mean to butt in on your talk page, but Jeff_B doesn't seem to understand that Wikipedia is an encylcopedia, not a chat page or forum. Jeff_B might not understand things here, or he might be playing some sort of game. Based on his comments and contributions, I'd say he's just playing some sort of game. I don't know why. Jeff, maybe you could explain your reasons for editing Wikipedia on your talk page or your user page? -- • • • Blue Pixel 01:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blue Pixel, it is possible you're right, maybe I really don't understand how Wikipedia works. I've refrained from updating the pages in question any more until I learn the ropes a little bit better. I AM trying to learn before I go and mess the system up, that's why I've been talking with Kuru. The way I use Wikipedia is to research or learn about a particular subject -- and I've used it a lot lately! :-) I have updated my talk and user pages quite a bit lately, check them out and leave me a message if you like. Jeff_B 11:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

WWW Statistics

Why did you delete this:

"Recent (September 26th, 2007) guesstimates shows that the size of the know web (indexed) is around ~1.3 Peta which might hide a ~600 Peta of deeper web."

From the WWW Statistics page - the data in the page isn't updated... and this is the most updated information available; if you want to remove my ref link you can but leave the data.

By the way,

The same question regarding the Project Manager page with this important edit: "Project managers have many responsibilities "

Thanks,

Karmona

P.S. I am new in wikipedia and I might have done some mistakes in the way while editing but my intention are good; am I missing something? karmona 14:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I cannot seem to locate where I deleted such material - could you point out the edit more specifically? I'd be delighted to look into it a little later today. Kuru ^talk 15:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Pm master / Cluebot brought me to your talk page and I meant these changes:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Wide_Web&curid=33139&diff=167426129&oldid=167165929
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_manager&curid=239050&diff=167425497&oldid=167299607

Can you please take a look? (karmona 14:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC))

Thanks!

Thank you for reverting the changes the IP 68.78.76.55 made to my talk page. By the way, here is a barnstar for your other vandal fighting efforts:

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		I, the user SmileToday, hereby award the userKuru, with the Defender of the Wiki Barnstar for efforts in fighting vandalism. [[User:SmileToday|SmileToday](talk) 02:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hope you have a nice day! SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks! That was an odd one for sure. I wonder what's going through their minds sometimes... Kuru ^talk 02:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It was the most strange one I have seen, except for the Hagger page move bots. Probably didn't even know what they were doing. Oh well, have a nice night. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I need some quick deletions if you're available

Sorry to bother you, but I saw you were active and I need a quick favor. Can you delete Ask me for sex, My number and Hot girl number please? It appears to be someone giving out someone else's number, and I'd like to get it out of the history as quickly as possible. Thanks. --Bongwarrior 03:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Done! Kuru ^talk 03:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Took you long enough :) --Bongwarrior 03:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

DHCP and sprotect

A personal thank-you for this fix on top of your regular good work. Like many "challenged" editors "contributing" to articles related to African Americans, our little friend seems curiously interested in fantasizing about homosex. That minor matter aside, he seems to be benefiting from DHCP; if I notice that the AAVE article is hit again by a different but related IP number I'll sprotect it. -- Hoary 03:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on History Portal - Renaissance article

Hello Kuru. There have been some comedians visiting Portal:History/Featured article/November, 2007 this morning. I just did a revert, and I see you've been doing the same. When I saw this article the first time this morning, I made just one small edit. But then I discovered there were several paragraphs missing from the original intended article. So I put it back a couple revs to your last one. I assume that was the right one. I'll keep an eye on this. Just thought you'd like to know as well. Best regards, Hult041956 16:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Aye, no idea why someone was going to town on such an obscure article. Kuru ^talk 23:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page - not sure how I got to be so "popular". Nice watershed maps too! Take care, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and not a problem... :) Kuru ^talk 23:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you help with little problem?

I have a list of books that I use as sources when I put stuff in WIkipedia articles. When I get a new book I add it to my list. But I'm not very technical and have trouble formatting the book citations right for Wikipedia -- and getting the columns and rows iin tables to work out right in Wikipedia. Can you help me get this right? I have my book page on my user page. It's "bookshelf" on my user page. --Foggy Morning 02:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I see what you're trying to do with the table - I'll take a look at the code later and see if I can fix it. Getting all the "|" characters straight can indeed be a pain in the rear. As for building cites, I usually cheat. There's an excellent site here where you can paste in an ISBN for a book, and it will create and populate the template for you by pulling the rest of the data from an ISBN database. Then you just cut&paste into wiki. A massive time saver. Kuru ^talk 23:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm getting a weird message when I click on that link -- "connection refused". Maybe that's because it's Sunday morning? I'll try during the week. Thanks for the help! --Foggy Morning 15:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Aye, it was down this morning, apparently. Should be good to go now. Kuru ^talk 19:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Good to go, thanks! --Foggy Morning 02:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of references on Microsoft Excel page

I added a few references I have found helpful myself in using VBA in Excel. My additions were as follows

For examples of VBA code see Robert de Levie. For more about the Excel Object Model, see Roman.

You deleted these references from the article. In my opinion that reduces the value of the article to a potential user. Why not leave them in? Wouldn't a print Encyclopaedia do that?

One could argue that any choice of references is a bit arbitrary, given the huge number of choices. However, in fact these references are somewhat unique among all the Excel books in being very helpful without hype about how great the software is.Brews ohare 23:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Likewise you deleted a section I added: (redact) Same question: doesn't this section aid the user?Brews ohare 23:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

You've kind of hit on the problem. The 'references' you added were not really used as references for anything in the existing article, they were just random commercial books that spoke to various issues on Excel. I think you're proposing more of a 'further reading' section, which some articles already have. Those type of sections are hit or miss; some are actually useful and have collections of important works on the topic (ex: Gray's Anatomy for an anatomy article), some are simply spam magnets. I would strongly prefer not to have these links randomly strewn about the article, but I won't object if you add a section called "further reading" or "bibliography" maybe. Kuru ^talk 23:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for nabbing the vandal

Thanks for nabbing the vandal with the long numeric name who just vandalized my userpage... much obliged. I suppose my deleting his silly page is what set him off. Accounting4Taste 00:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Si. Sadly, one of my first actions as a new admin was to semi-protect my userpage... :) Kuru ^talk 00:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL I'm going to keep track of the number of vandalisms as a perverse mark of pride in my contributions. Accounting4Taste 00:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice work

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Nice work reverting vandals, try and save some for the rest of us! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Bah I counted six 'rollback failed' messages and a 'user has already been blocked' at your hands. Thanks, and back at ya.  :) Kuru ^talk 03:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh "user has already been blocked" are the worst. Well I'm glad to know I put up some semblance of a fight. :p Happy editing. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Finance

Greetings, I apologize for the mess I caused. I thought I was helping. but I only caused a mess. Thank you for cleaning up my mess. Thanks, PGPirate 16:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Six Sigma

Why did you remove the University of Miami link? How is it different than the Motorola University link that is already there?

Thanks, Rick

There's an extensive conversation on the article's talk page on the subject. I don't feel that any of the links are needed, personally, but at least Motorola has the distinction of having developed the methodology. If you'd like, please re-open the discussion there. Kuru ^talk 12:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Please go through my website carefully before deleting it from wiki

Hi Kuru, i saw you remove my link from CPM and PERT. Well...nothing personal. However, please go through this pagePERT again. My students said it is quite useful. There are 3 parts relevant to PERT 1) PERT 2) PNET 3) Simulation using EXCEL. If there is any problem or suggestion, dont hesitate to tell me. Thanks :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chachrist (talk • contribs) 06:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

There are three very brief examples and a google ad column. I don't see how it provides a critical resource that expands on the article's content and there's a conflict of interest; but I'm always open to further discussion. Please take a look at our guidelines on external links and on conflicts of interest when you have an opportunity. Thanks! Kuru ^talk 12:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Kuru...i just add external links on Critical Path Method. It would be nice if you can give me some comment on this one. Moreover, i also add external link on Resource Allocation.

PeeWee McDonald Sockpuppet of PWeeHurman

If you wanted to know, User:PeeWee McDonald is also a sockpuppet of User:PWeeHurman. -Goodshoped 02:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Good to know - thanks for the heads up. Kuru ^talk 02:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, any username that begins with Pee or PWee are the sockpuppets. -Goodshoped 02:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Peaceful on the homefront, thanks to your defense!

I worked on some articles today and noticed that nobody has messed them up with nonsense during the past week or so. Sometimes you made quiet little edits to remove something that didn't belong there. Thank you for helping me!--Foggy Morning (talk) 01:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. I saw your expansion of the term 'biological assets' yesterday - I couldn't help but think that was the new HR euphemism for 'employees'.. :) Kuru ^talk 03:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

:)) That's a good one! Bad enough that we're "human resources" instead of people -- makes a person expect to find other departments for goat resources, frog resources, and martian resources :) --Foggy Morning (talk) 02:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

I just noticed that you removed my report of personal attacks by Special:Contributions/86.139.179.254 on WP:AIV, marking it as stale. What exactly was the resolution of my report? Newtman (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

AIV is for immediate action on in progress vandalism. You gave the user a warning three hours after his last edit. There were no edits after that. Is there some sort of specific action you are looking for? Kuru ^talk 04:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You've got my back

Thanks for keeping my user page free of trash. I'd give you an arbitrary barnstar but I have no idea how, so instead I will award one to myself. Hermione is a dude (talk) 05:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from me too. I appreciate it, and happy turkey day. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 12:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For beating me to many reverts. Good Job! :D Sseballos (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)|} Many thanks... Busy night.. :( Kuru talk 02:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject:San Antonio

You were the Wikipedian who welcomed me here back in June and we both hail from San Antonio. I think we should start a WikiProject:San Antonio because I am finding it hard to believe how many San Antonio related articles are red links. Austin, Houston, and Dallas already have one. I think its time we start one. What do you think?--STX 01:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like an excellent idea. I'd love to get a 'working list' of neglected/missing SA topics together to draw from. I've seen precious few Wikipedians that have self-identified as San Antonians, however - I can only think of a few off the top of my head (User:Eluchil404 and User:Ageekgal seem to be the most active). I'll poke around the Houston and Dallas sites a bit to get a feel for how those projects work! Kuru ^talk 23:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of Aust History

I like your changes - thanks - much better!--Matilda formerly known as User:Golden Wattle ^talk 20:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Llano River

Thanks for the help on the Granite Shoals, TX and Llano River sites. FmreillyFmreilly 18:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Blacklist

Thanks a lot for the help there it is appreciate. However can I ask you to please log any entries that you make. This may seem a little irritating but in 6 or 12 months time the rationale may be impossible to find and the listing will then be removed by someone. I've just had to do exactly that on a Meta listing than no one logged! Let me know if I can help - cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense - many thanks for the heads up. I've logged the details. Not sure how I missed that in the instructions, seeing as you've idiot-proofed it by putting it in large red letters! :) Kuru ^talk 13:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey - you have no idea how long it took me to get the hang of that on Meta!! However, believe in in a few months time trawling the history of the page is just not an option. Thanks for the help, cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 13:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Re: your message on User talk:128.208.35.159 I'm afraid this is a public library, so you will get a lot of this. For reference, this is the undergraduate library at the University of Washington. 128.208.35.159 (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For all your work fighing those vandals :) Tiddly-Tom 19:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

...

I'm allowed to edit my own talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.99.83 (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

what happens if you vandalize something 3 or more times —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.138.43 (talk) 04:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Section added to the IT Governance page

Hi Kuru,

I think what you're doing is great: watch vandalism on THE internet free encyclopedia. In my case, I am a true contributor of the text I wrote (and which by the way has been already copied from my web site by commercial organisations who sell it to readers without my permission!!).

This is the reason why I thought the text would be a good one and because I think Wikipedia is a good (the best) way to distribute information broadly, I have added the section Business to IT Alignment to the IT Governance page.

You can check that I have added the sentence you told me to add on my web site: www.it-to-be.com

I hope this time the section is published on Wikipedia as I prefer to give it for free and let people update/modify it then having commercial minded people make money out of it without asking me if I am OK with what they are doing.

Thanks for your understanding.

Anais Malaussena CEO of IT to BE —Preceding unsigned comment added by IT2BE (talk • contribs) 17:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Great! That's just the first issue, however. The entire piece seems to simply be your personal commentary and original research on the topic. If you could add citations to reliable sources, that would be wonderful. Kuru ^talk 18:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, really bad haiku from a new admin

Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → →

Janitor's new tools
Spam must stop -- will new mop act?
Ooops, .com blocked

New admin, new tools
Earnest newbie furrows brow
Fare thee well Main Page

New mess all about
Sorcerer's Apprentice mop
Not supporter's fault

A. B. so grateful
Wikipedia trembles
Watch out DRV

A. B. wonders why
Copyright always confused
Fair use, farewell, bye

Qatar is blocked
Shucks those range blocks are tricky!
Will get it straight soon.

Dear RfA friend,
I will learn, chaos will fade
Thanks so much ... A. B.

This RfA thank you card is based on a card originally done by Phaedriel

Kuru, it goes without saying but I'll say it anyway -- thanks so much for your support in my RfA.
--A. B. ^(talk) 22:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Vpmi Article deleted and Removed from List of Project Management Software

Somewhere over the past few days the Vpmi article was deleted from Wikipedia and subsequently removed from the list of proprietary web-based applications on the List of Project Management Software page. I am not sure how Vpmi was removed, but it was an article on Wikipedia for months and should be brought back. I have audited my watchlist and cannot find any note as to who deleted this article. It seems malicious. I am requesting that the article be restored and that Vpmi be returned to the List of Project Management Software article where it was before. Please respond as soon as possible. I am hoping you can help. --Tilleyg (talk) 17:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For vandalism reversion on my talkpage. Cheers --Nuttycoconut (talk) 03:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. You've made some new vandal friends today.... :) Kuru ^talk 03:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for Discussion

Hello Kuru,

REF: Direct Inward Dialling - I've started a discussion regarding this article and the list of SELLERS, I think that is the best way forward instead of people making the changes and then having someone undo the changes. kind of pointless really. I would therefore request that the article is locked until such a point it is finalised by either a user discussion or via a wiki mediator.