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For the seventh time.→041744 00:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice! --LN3000 (talk) 05:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Controlling the Pokemon Trainer?

Under the note for Pokemon Trainer it says the player "controls the Trainer only when switching between the three Pokémon."

I don't recall seeing this on the site or in any other source. PT wasn't playable at E for All, so unless someone can verify this fact I think it should be removed. Unless maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means. Either way, I think it ought to be made more clear. 24.6.89.5 (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

What that means is that the only action Pokemon Trainer does is switch Pokemon. All other actions are performed by Charizard and company. It's fine the way it is.Satoryu (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If that statement could confuse someone who is familiar with Brawl, imagine how much it could confuse readers who don't know a thing about it. I think it should be reworded a little. Shall I do the honors?    Powerslave  05:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay. That works.Satoryu (talk) 05:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Dixie Kong

I am not saying to add this to the article but I think she appears in two screenshots of the update of the Co-op Events

1. In the first screenshot of the events, in event number 6, what appears to be a battle against a giant DK, if you zoom it on Paint you can see what appears to be diddy kong and dixie kong.

2. In the second screenshot, in the 4 event, you can see a blonde monkey, it may be Dixie Kong or less probable Tiny Kong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 05:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, she's in the game in some form or fashion; the Dec. 07 issue of GameInformer (with the Ghostbusters logo on the cover) also has a very blatant screenshot with her, Diddy, and a banana peel on a stage I couldn't identify for sure (looked like the first Subspace Adventure stage). But since we don't know whether she's a playable character or an assist trophy, there's really no point to this discussion. Arrowned (talk) 06:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The screenshot you are referring to, Arrowned, is with Trophies. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC) I just reviewed it, and I can't specifically tell. But still even if we do determine it is her, we can't add it in because it is Original Research. This is the same thing we did when we saw Donkey Kong in the gameplay video. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Found it, sorry for 3 discussions in a row. It was part of a movie, not a screenshot. Here is the link to the video on the Brawl Website. OMG DIXIE TROPHY?!?! Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a hunch, but is it all possible that Dixie Kong is a color swap for Diddy Kong? Nintendo's getting awfully creative this time around (Or just plain garish in the case of poor Snake's horrible orange/brown/god-knows-what cyber-punk excuse for a color. *shiver*) concerning colors. Also, on the aforementioned Game Informer article, they have all the characters that were confirmed (At that point, at least) and most of the assist trophies. Alas, Dixie Kong is nowhere in sight. BUT IT'S JUST A HUNCH! 209.247.22.26 (talk) 11:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Any way you slice it, dixie kong is not comifirmed, saying so is orginal reasherch an spectulation.→041744 13:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In the game stop magazen issue #176 they also show a section of SSBB and Dixie kong(with diddy kong) is in it with a banana with eyes then on the next page it shows all the players but shes not on it so i think we should wait for Dojo.--DarkFierceDeityLink 13:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In case you guys missed the conversation with Tinkleheimer above (I can confirm the video clip he linked is the screencap I saw in a magazine), she's a normal trophy (not even assist). There's no need to even "wait for Dojo", because Dojo's already confirmed it. Arrowned (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Lots of playable characters and assists are also trophies, Arrowned. --(trogga) 17:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I revised the screenshots that the first user say, and the first one really looks like Dixie Kong, and its probable, because one of the event matches can be a battle of Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong against Giant DK. And she has high possibilities of being a playable character, in melee Diddy Kong didn't appeared as a trophy and now he is playable. And in the video where she appears along Diddy Kong and Xananab, you can notice that the position of Diddy Kong is similar to the one of his artwork, Dixie Kong had also a different position that i think it has never seen in any artwork, while Xananab was given the same position as in his DK Jungle Climber. But all these is only speculation. User:Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 17:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I only saw (actually it was very hard to see because it was zoomed too much) a monkey wearing a purple hat. Dixie normally uses pink clothes not purple. And is there any way to make the image clearer???? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont think so, but in that image the colors look different, Diddy Kong's colors look like maroon. And Dixie hat is more like magenta, so i'm almost sure that the one of that image is Dixie Kong. User: Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 20:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

All Right this is getting redicluos, seriosly MAGENTA?! Lets just close our mouthes and agree on this: (1)Dixie kong is not playable (2)Dixie kong is a trophy and (3)We do not know if she is a AT or not. Now can we stop this flibber-flapper over purple v pink v magenta on a unclear low-resolution picture, seriosly would he put an uncomifmed character in a photo, do you really think he is that stupid?→041744 22:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You never know. While I agree this debate has gone on longer than need be, Dixie Kong may still be a playable character. There is no confirmation or denial for that. So add her to the list of possible characters we not need mention on the article, if she isn't there already.Satoryu (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its not magenta, but is not exactly pink. And I agree that this is a ridiculous discussion, althought I think she is playable.user:Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 23:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

This is the weakest character argument ever. --LN3000 (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd say this is the weakest argument on Wikipedia EVER, but 4channers still hold that unimpressive record. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Does Masahiro Sakurai read the stuff we put on wikipedia?--DarkFierceDeityLink 00:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

NTIKO. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not an argument, its only my opinion—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, your opinion should not be in here and it can cause speculation. And thats not enough info, to say wether she is going to be playable or not. And I think Dixie has high possibilities of being playable, but its only speculation. user:javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 02:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Also now I notice Dixie clothes are pink and are very far from magenta, sorry about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javier12345 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

One last thing, when I said she appeared in two sceenshots, with that I mean she is playable(or was what I think), I know she has been seen as a trophy alongside a playable character and yes I know this is only speculation, and again this is not an argument, is my opinion. 201.163.39.74 (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

If we couldn't confirm Peach when she appeared in the Subspace movie, then we can't confirm Dixie from a couple of screenshots that leaves it questionable as to what her status is. TwilightPhoenix (talk) 18:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I never say we should put Dixie as playable in the artcle. 201.163.39.74 (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Mabey you should have clairified that alot sooner, appearently that's what we all thought you were impleing.→041744 22:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

o well, sorry for causing a confusion, it was only an opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for opinions, it is for the displayment of facts, please keep your opions to yourself.→041744 13:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't WP:BITE. Cheers, Axem Titanium (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I see her to. Note: the second screen shot of event number four, it could just be a costume change to make her LOOK like Tiny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 19:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Raquazza

We now know for a FACT that he's a boss for Fox, Diddy.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.166.188 (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It's been noted already. Oubliette (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Shiek's models

I found this somewhere, I don't remember where, but what i found said, "Clay models for Sheik have been sent to Mr. Sakurai, but it is unknown if he will include Sheik." So, could you PLEASE put it back? Ivyluv (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

(RI) The onus is on you to provide the proof, not on us to wait on you for proof. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 01:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually in this case, there already is proof... of the fact that the models were submitted. As the FAQ says, we have no idea what those models will be used for (Playable characters? Assist trophies? Subspace Emissary bosses?) or if they'll be used at all, so there's no reason to add that trivial note on its own to the article. Arrowned (talk) 04:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

They were polygon models, not clay ones ;) Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Two Things:

1. Oh. Thanks! and... 2. "Actually in this case, there already is proof... of the fact that the models were submitted. As the FAQ says, we have no idea what those models will be used for (Playable characters? Assist trophies? Subspace Emissary bosses?) or if they'll be used at all, so there's no reason to add that trivial note on its own to the article."::::Well, not to be rude of course, but, uh, if we put my note in at all, what should we put in?Ivyluv (talk) 21:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no point in discussing what we'd put in. There's no way to add a note to the character list in a way that would make it not be original research, and adding an abbreviated note somewhere else that pretty much just says what I did earlier would be a waste of space considering it's nothing but "here's some info that may or may not have any bearing on the game". Arrowned (talk) 05:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

look what i found looks fake but believable

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff285/horus_disco/luigirendervv21.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkFierceDeityLink (talk • contribs) 02:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright... so how is that going to help the article? Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah how does it? Also maybe I'm just feeling De Jvju but hasn't this picture been brought up before? The Light6 (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I just want you guys to be on the look out people already have adding him in showing this picture and i have to do a lot of undoing and i'm starting to get a lil mad at people who add players to the game who are not in the game like Naruto. I believe that this page needs protection.--DarkFierceDeityLink 02:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Even if the picture's genuine, there is no proof one way or another what role the younger Mario Brother will play in Brawl. Remember that a few PCs from Melee aren't going to be in Brawl, at least not as PCs. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 02:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

But theirs no evidence that they(Luigi, C. Falcon ect) wont come come back, maybe the clones womt back excluding Ganon but theres no evidence to that. So I think we should wait for Dojo I just wanted you guys to see that picture( its fake if you zoom in to his left hand you see red which means this was really mario the person chnaged the picture like they did to the one from wolf http://www.maj.com/gallery/oozotheclown/Alternatecostumes/foxwolf.jpg really (fox)).--DarkFierceDeityLink 02:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no evidence that they *will* come back, either. And I didn't need to zoom in to know it was Photoshopped - Luigi would not have the exact same pose. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 03:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I knew a photoshop of Luigi was discussed before, however it wasn't the same image Archive 3 - Luigi either way it's a photoshopped image so there is no point in discussing it, however I do agree that the page needs to be semi-protected again. The Light6 (talk) 04:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not THAT trigger-happy to prot. Besides, the unsourced-addition crap has died down. Semi-prot Declined (for now). -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 04:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

NOTE) Super Smash Bros. Brawl is Semi-protected. If you have any objections, voice them Here. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 23:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

ness footnote

yesterday someone changed ness from "?" to "X". there is already a note in the sourse saying not to, but i belive we should place another in a more visable space.--68.150.17.145 (talk) 07:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If it keeps up the article is looking at a fortnight-long semi. We can't make the note obvious by adding it wholesale to the article. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 07:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

i didnt change the ? but if you look on the ssb website, on lucas' page it says "There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users." does that hint that hes not in this one? (Ohnomono3 (talk) 19:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC))

A hint is not confirmation, sadly. Indeed there has been a lot of back-and-forthing about this on Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and the consensus there and here is, barring more information, leave Ness as a question mark.

And please sign in instead of edit-conflicting me. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 19:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Alloys

There's a new tertiary character group similar to Wire Frames, the Alloys. I move that we add them to this artical with pictures. 71.48.91.171 (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I move that we don't; that's bias towards Brawl and against Melee (Fighting Wire Frames) and 64 (Fighting Polygon Team). This article is supposed to be about all the games. I don't object to a short description of them in the same section as the FWF and FPT, but no pics. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 02:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I propose that we get rid of the Fighting Polygon picture (it looks really confusing and unclear to someone who hasn't played that game) and put up one of the new, clear images of the Alloys. Powerslave (talk|cont.) 04:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Or the above suggesting with a new Polygon picture, perhaps? Oubliette (talk) 11:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that all the pictures will cause for a cluttered article. I suggest if we could get a larger picture of Fighting Polyglons that we just use that one, and get rid of the Fighting Wire Frames. Just my suggestion. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 14:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I personally think it would be best if we could combine three pictures into one to show the three different teams. But that's just my opinion. Luigi "Kurai" III (talk) 19:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No shoops, please... Anyways, guess I'll be bold. Coreycubed (talk) 19:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Pikmin

Hey... at the Character list, it says Olimar can't do any attack. This hasn't been confirmed, it only says his SMASH-attacks can be done without pikmin. Normal A-attacks could still be possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wobster (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, someone edited it ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wobster (talk • contribs) 15:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

On that note am I the only one who can't see Pikmin & Olimar listed in the table. It's in the source but it doesn't seem to show up. =/ 86.44.94.92 (talk) 20:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's there plain as day. -Sukecchi (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

That's happened to me more than once. Not sure if it's got something to do with the way my browser's pulling stuff from MediaWiki, but a hard refresh should help. Try Ctrl-Shift-R. Coreycubed (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are the Pikmin listed first?

Why are the Pikmin listed before Olimar? isn't Olimar the Chracter and the Pikmin his help &/or weapons? I'm just curious, as I think it would be better if it was Captain Olimar and the Pikmin listed in a foot note, like with Pokemon Trainer!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

B/C THE PIKMIN ARE THE ONES WHO ARE REALLY FIGHTING AS IT STATES ON THE SITE WITH OUT THEM HE'S NOTHING NO SMASH ATTACK NO NOTHING.(SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS MY KEY BOARD IS BROKEN.)--DarkFierceDeityLink 20:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but in that case, shouldn't every chracter that mostly uses a weapon be listed by the weapon they use, as it's the weapons that do the fighting? But, that's besides the point, I've just knotice (that as ever) I am mistaken, and the dojo lists them as Pikmin and Olimar!  Doktor  Wilhelm  20:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Dojo names them "Pikmin & Olimar", so that's what we use here. We did the same thing with Falco, Fox, Samus, and Snake; they all have last/other names in their canon sources, but Dojo/Melee lists their names as exactly that, so that's what we're using. Arrowned (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, DFDL, I had the exact same problem on my old com., i was constantly getting banned from sites due to being stuck on caps. BOT I thought DOJO ONLY said that Olimar will only not be able to do his final smash without Pikmin. It said nothing about his other attacks. I could be wrong. I'm sick,and when i'm sick,my whole memory goes screwy.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.37.40 (talk) 13:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, first of all, a new keyboard can be had for like $5, so you might want to just buy another one, or pop a few keys off of your keyboard and clean it with a damp cloth to see if that helps. Second, the quote from Dojo is as follows: "Without Pikmin, Olimar can’t even do a Smash Attack." In the typical vague fashion, this doesn't say he can't do regular attacks without Pikmin. Besides, what happens if all the Pikmin die? Point is, we don't know, which is why it's worded the way it is in the footnote. Lastly, SLJCOAAATR, you might want to register for an account. Your signature is being replaced with your IP address when you post. Coreycubed (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well from what I can tell, Dojo says Pikimin & Olimar, so that's my reasoning. It shouldn't matter what weapons he uses in his name. It says on the site exactly! Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 16:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Today's update should clear things up a bit for those who were wondering about his attacks, which confirms that our footnote is accurate: "In order to perform a Smash Attack, certain midair attacks, and even throws, you’re going to need Pikmin!" So, some of his attacks won't require the Pikmin (like other characters that use weapons for some, not all of their attacks). And for anyone who's actually played Pikmin, you'll remember that Olimar could attack on his own, without Pikmin. Coreycubed (talk) 15:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Corey, my old com. was a laptop, this one is too. Oh yeah, i don't make an account 'cause i raerly use Wiki. Sorry about my mistakes with the Pikmin thing. I skimed through the article REAL fast.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.37.40 (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You keep saying you rarely use it. So what? It's not like it expires or anything. Just register already. >_> -Sukecchi (talk) 02:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh, you have a good point...I might...i dunno...-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.37.40 (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon Trainer

Wjere it says " 2. ^ In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Pokémon Trainer stays in the background while the player takes direct control of Squirtle, Ivysaur, or Charizard. The set is listed under the name "Pokémon Trainer". ", I think that someonen should change it to " 2. ^ In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Pokémon Trainer stays in the background, although in moving stages he doesn't appear, while the player takes direct control of Squirtle, Ivysaur, or Charizard. The set is listed under the name "Pokémon Trainer" or "P. Trainer". "

source is

Is that relevant? No, not really. Because no matter what, you aren't controlling the Pokemon Trainer. So changing the footnote isn't necessary. -Sukecchi (talk) 01:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Wiki

Would a link to Wikia's Super Smash Bros. Wiki be appropriate for an Smash Bros. related pages? I just wanted to ask to prevent any wasted edits on my part. Bonko24 (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

We discussed this in a previous talk page chat; the archive for it is here. The ending decision was not to link to SmashWiki, basically because it fails criteria #2 (and somewhat 13) of WP:EL's list of links that should be avoided. Specifically, SmashWiki fails the criterion because of its instability and speculation, something a lot of individual Wikia sites tend to suffer from. Arrowned (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to remind everyone SmashWiki and Super Smash Bros. Wiki are two different wikis. SmashWiki is hosted on Smash Boards, while the Super Smash Bros. Wiki is hosted on Wikia.--24.109.218.172 (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Sheik has been confirmed

Famitsu has confirmed sheik will be in brawl, so his status on the page should be changed accordingly. This is just one picture, but it's easily verified by anyone with access to the issue of Famitsu. http://i17.tinypic.com/6t5wvgj.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.89.5 (talk) 05:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

They have also given it a 40/40, which few games have received in its long history.