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:--- Somebody went to [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] and questioned the deletion. Our policy in such a case, (where the deletion was the result of an expired prod), is to immediately restore the article without any detailed review of its merit. Therefore Stormie did in fact restore the article. |
:--- Somebody went to [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] and questioned the deletion. Our policy in such a case, (where the deletion was the result of an expired prod), is to immediately restore the article without any detailed review of its merit. Therefore Stormie did in fact restore the article. |
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:--- As is typical in such a case, it was subsequently nominated for deletion at [[WP:AFD]]. In this process, the article received a thorough review by a wide range of editors, who offerred their comments and recommendations. After at least 5 days an administrator determined the rough consensus of those who participated in the discussion. As closing administrator I determined that the consensus was to delete the article. My own subjective evaluation of this article was not any part of this determination. I merely distilled, filtered and consentrated the input from the debate participants. That you were unavailable to participate in the AfD is unfortunate, but does not influence my decision to defer any further undeletion discussion to [[WP:DELREV|deletion review]].<i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 15:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC) |
:--- As is typical in such a case, it was subsequently nominated for deletion at [[WP:AFD]]. In this process, the article received a thorough review by a wide range of editors, who offerred their comments and recommendations. After at least 5 days an administrator determined the rough consensus of those who participated in the discussion. As closing administrator I determined that the consensus was to delete the article. My own subjective evaluation of this article was not any part of this determination. I merely distilled, filtered and consentrated the input from the debate participants. That you were unavailable to participate in the AfD is unfortunate, but does not influence my decision to defer any further undeletion discussion to [[WP:DELREV|deletion review]].<i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 15:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Thank you for your response. I wonder if you could send me the link to the latest AFD discussion that I have missed, that have caused you to delete the article. I am now appealing at DR. Thank you. [[User:Chaerani|Chaerani]] ([[User talk:Chaerani|talk]]) 16:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Welcome to my talk page
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Jerry's 10 talk page rules
- Please no foul language, threats or namecalling.
- If there is any possibility (at all) that I meant well, assume that is the case, until proven or admitted otherwise. I will do the same.
- Please append your wikisignature to all comments.
- Please do not add any contentious material about me or any other living person.
- Stop means stop. If we are in a heated argument, and I ask you to stop sending me messages on this page, then simply stop. If you think my conduct requires a review:
- Do not leave messages containing any personally-identifying information about children, including yourself.
- If you are here because a template showed up on your article or talk page, and you want to know why; 99% of the time, the information you seek is located right on the template itself. Please have the courtesy to read it first, then come here to complain or ask additional questions.
- If I deleted an article/ image, etc, and you want to know why, please look at the log for the page... I usually leave a detailed explanation including a code like "CSD#G12, COPYVIO, Content was..." If you go to the deletion policy, you will likely find your answer faster than sending me a message.
- If you do decide to ask me why your article, image, etc. got deleted, please tell me which one you are talking about. I delete many things a day, most days, and it can be very difficult for me to figure out which one you're talking about. This is particularly impossible if you are not logged-in, and your current IP Address is different than what it was when you created the article, uploaded the image, etc.
- If you are here to complain about another editor, for whatever reason, please consider using one of the forums to alert all administrators of the problem. This will get you faster service, from among dozens of patrolling admins.
Notice regarding deletion reviews
This user is an active closing administrator at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you are considering initiating a formal review of a recent closing, it is requested that you attempt to have a discussion with me first, as suggested by the instructions at the top of WP:DRV. Please give me at least one day to respond, and keep in mind that we may be in different time zones. If you have a valid reason that my determination of consensus may be flawed, I do appreciate the opportunity to consider it and revert my own closing or explain to you my difference of opinion without the wikidrama that is often created at DRV. If you are here to drop me a template notice of a DRV that you have already initiated, but we have not discussed it yet, please consider closing that delrev and talking with me first. Just add the comment "please close this discussion until I have a chance to discuss this with the closing administrator per WP:DRV" to the discussion, and an administrator will surely close it shortly (as long as other editors have not significantly participated yet). Thank-you for your consideration.
New discussions
| *A discussion about orphanbot listgen and deletion of user talk page history for oversight removal of unlawful content. |
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talk page historyPlease do not "reset" your talk page by deleting it; I had not yet read your reply to my message, and would have been unable to find it if I were not an admin (You did archive it, but I had difficulty even finding your pages again, since the way I find user talk pages I have left a comment on and not received a reply on my talk page is by looking at my own contributions in the user talk namespace). But anyway, your response didn't address my actual question, which was to ask where this "list of G8 candidates" that you're preventing the page from showing up on is located. You said "You see, Bots generate lists of orphan talk pages and tag them for deletion every once in a while.", but I have never seen such a bot in operation, nor have I seen a massive number of talk pages show up on CAT:CSD at one time, so these lists are evidently somewhere off-wiki (which, again, I would like an actual link to where these lists go, rather than a simple statement that they exist) —Random832 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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| *A discussion about my speedy deletion of an orphan template talk page that a user was using in his user space. |
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Your deletionHey Jerry, I see you deleted the text I placed into my template. Please don't do that again. There was no reason for it. The text in question was placed into a discussion area for a template that appears on my page Look at the bottom - "Real Wiki Editors" I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was on a non-existant page, however, I am placing it back on. Please AGF next time and CONTACT the author of the template your working with. (I'm not yelling at you - I promise :) ) Thanks KoshVorlon ".. We are ALL Kosh..." 19:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
the template is there. Contact me before deleting that text please!. Thanks KoshVorlon ".. We are ALL Kosh..." 21:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Template:Official Wiki Editor Sorry to butt in here, Jerry, but your page is still watchlisted from our most recent conversation. I think the general misunderstanding can be viewed here. It's in userspace, and not named template:Official Wiki Editor. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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| *A discussion about my having added the FICTWARN template on an AfD for a list-article that included some fictional television characters. |
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The article nominated for deletion is merely a list which may (or may not) include characters involved in the injunction, but is not about the characters. Under your reasoning, any article which includes a link to a fictional character involved would fall under the injunction, which is clearly not the intent of the injunction. Please remove the {{FICTWARN}} tag. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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| *A user requesting cross-namespace move of an article that had been deleted at AfD, then improved in userspace. |
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To restore article of Maurizio Giuliano12-Feb-2008: Hello, Jerry. User:Wikid77 here. I see that you were assigned to delete the article "Maurizio Giuliano" (in January), and I think, along with User:CCorward, that we are ready re-create that article with added sources to verify notability. Do you sense any other restrictions, or can we just copy the updated version into the empty article "Maurizio Giuliano"? I will check back here after a while. Thanks. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC) Wow, that was fast, thanks a lot Jerry ! --CCorward (talk) 00:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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| *A mentoring question from Willirennen. |
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In regards to an edit warConsidering a bit I have left on the mentoring page a while ago has not being answered, since it is off your watchlist. I am posting in regards to an edit warring in the Panerai article. Considering this user's edit history consists of cruft edits which is not considered relevant to this site, once these are removed, the user goes and revert any changes. So the question is, what warning shall I award him as I think it is now a time he receive a warning, that it is a single purpose account. Willirennen (talk) 01:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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re: "Mild as May"
D'oh! Thanks for catching that. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- No problemo. JERRY talk contribs 02:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Disputed fair use rationale for Image:BennyHill.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:BennyHill.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 19:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- The fair use rationale was there, but apparently the bot code can only see it if it is in a template. I added the template to appease the bot, and removed the di-tag. JERRY talk contribs 19:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Question on neat idea
- Jerry, in closing the AfD for List of Kid Nation participants, you had mentioned the 7-Day Recap, saying "I really liked (but did not rely upon) the 7-day recap... that's a neat idea." That inspired a couple of us to work on it as a template for future use, and it is now functional (as far as we can tell it works). I was wondering if I might be able to solicit your comments and recommendations on it. It's located at User:VigilancePrime/Templates/Recap and could be used as a standing template or as a SUBST template, I think. We'd appreciate your expertise and opinions on it. VigilancePrime (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- A technical recommendation: provide an overall summary line for free-form text at the very bottom. This could be used for a new comment like "This debate has seen an increase in activity lately due to some major improvements to the article; this reviewer recommends relisting it." Place a line at the top that says this template has been added to the discussion by <signature>.
- A useage recommendation: the template documentation should provide some guidance on how to use the template, not just technically, but also philosophically. Some key philosophical points that I recommend are:
- Do not put the template in place prior to the 5-day initial review period expiring, nor until the new 5 day review period expiring after a relist.
- The template contents should not offer any new arguments, any judgements on the arguments, and should be expressed in a purely neutral manner. IE: do not summarize the comments of the keeps with well-worded phrases wikilinked to policies and leave all the typos and grammar errors of the deletes in place. Do not highlight errors in any comments like "(SIC)". It would be the most obviously neutral if this template was added by a user who did not participate in the debate (similar to a closing administrator's role).
- The template should always be substed. Changes to the template should not change the contents of archived debates. The template should bear bold red wording "Error: always subst this template!" if it is used directly in the wikipedia namespace.
JERRY talk contribs 15:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The article Nial Djuliarso has been deleted again. I am tired of having to explain that Nial Djuliarso is a prominent musician in Indonesia. I created the page of Nial Djuliarso. Although he is not notable in the US, he is a notable jazz musician in Indonesia, because he's a child prodigy of jazz and has created a number of recordings which won awards in Indonesia. Deletion of his article is regretted. Again, I am really sad that Wikipedia uses American standard for notability, while ignoring people from developing countries. We can see categories such as Indonesian Journalist, Indonesian Musician, and Nial Djuliarso is one of them. (Sorry for the late comment regarding this matter because I was away to give birth of my son). The AFD has been discussed many times, it has been contested and approved to be reinstated. Please explain why Nial Djuliarso is deleted again on January 23. Chaerani (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you review the page logs:
- 02:27, 23 January 2008 Jerry (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Nial Djuliarso" (AFD: Deleted after discussion at Articles for Deletion) (Restore)
- 06:22, 10 January 2008 Stormie (Talk | contribs | block) restored "Nial Djuliarso" (28 revisions restored: Contested PROD: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 10)
- 03:26, 10 September 2007 Coredesat (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Nial Djuliarso" (Expired PROD, concern was: Non-notable musician.) (Restore)
- --- You will see that what happenned is that an editor placed a prod notice on the article, which means that they felt the article was a very clear candidate for deletion, and that deletion would likely be non-controversial. They should have placed a warning template on the creator's talk page, as well. After 5 days this prod notice was not removed, per the instructions on the template, so it was then assumed that deletion was indeed non-controversial. Therefore Coredesat deleted the article after a likely quick, undetailed review.
- --- Somebody went to deletion review and questioned the deletion. Our policy in such a case, (where the deletion was the result of an expired prod), is to immediately restore the article without any detailed review of its merit. Therefore Stormie did in fact restore the article.
- --- As is typical in such a case, it was subsequently nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. In this process, the article received a thorough review by a wide range of editors, who offerred their comments and recommendations. After at least 5 days an administrator determined the rough consensus of those who participated in the discussion. As closing administrator I determined that the consensus was to delete the article. My own subjective evaluation of this article was not any part of this determination. I merely distilled, filtered and consentrated the input from the debate participants. That you were unavailable to participate in the AfD is unfortunate, but does not influence my decision to defer any further undeletion discussion to deletion review.JERRY talk contribs 15:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I wonder if you could send me the link to the latest AFD discussion that I have missed, that have caused you to delete the article. I am now appealing at DR. Thank you. Chaerani (talk) 16:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
InDepenDance Day
how this now. User:Soccermeko/InDepenDance Day Soccermeko (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I added my comments to the page in red. JERRY talk contribs 16:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)