User talk:Tiamut

This user is in mourning over what is happening in Palestine/Israel. She may not be able to respond to all inquiries. Thank you for your understanding. Peace.

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Definitive opportunity

Good afternoon, T. If you'd like, we can try to get Postage stamps and postal history of the Palestinian National Authority ready for a DYK. As I calculate it, prior to Feb 9th we had 1600 bytes on the topic. Since Feb 9th, another 1600 prior to spinout and now up to 7600. So we only need 1400 more for the 5x expansion threshold (5x1600) before Feb 14th. (I also have some media coverage of PNA and stamps/postal stuff as raw data, if you'd like to read it.) Interested? HG | Talk 17:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so you're working on something calming, like the Archaelogy of the Holy Land, good for you! (Laughing privately to self...;-) Hope it goes well, HG | Talk 19:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My dear colleague. I'm a twinkie and do not want to get embroiled w/That author, so I came up with a perfectly useful source, one that you might well use in other contexts. How about if we go with less-the-merrier for now, and you can reinsert and debate it after, ahem, five days from now? Milquetoastfully yours, HG | Talk 04:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. And I agree not to worry about the other article, at least for now, because there's the whole broader messiness to deal with. Meanwhile, I'd recommend a wiki rather than coffee break, or maybe a crossword puzzle.... your circadian cycle will return in due course. Take care of yourself, HG | Talk 04:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll refrain from further comment. As you say, I know what it's like plus you did alot of hard (sleepless?) work there. Please go back, though, and revise the "No way, out of line" to something more, well, respectful. PS I did find some interesting sources for you. Thanks. HG | Talk 18:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

This source is good & worth reading, dealing with the history of the discipline and the Israeli practitioners. (They use Palestinian archaeol among other terms.) -- "Israeli Archaeology" Ofer Bar-Yosef; Amihai Mazar in World Archaeology, Vol. 13, No. 3, Regional Traditions of Archaeological Research II. (Feb., 1982), pp. 310-325. More random ideas: "Ceramics, Ethnicity, and the Question of Israel's Origins" William G. Dever in The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 58, No. 4, Pots & People. (Dec., 1995), pp. 200-213. both JSTOR. Dever seems like a real bulldog on this terminology debate, prolific. "A Passion for Cultural Difference. Archaeology and Ethnicity of the Southern Levant" by N Anfinset, Norwegian Archaeological Review, 2003. (I think deals w/both the interpreters and the interpretations.) "The Bible, Archaeology and Politics; or The Empty Land Revisited" by Biblicist J Blenkinsopp, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 2002. Biblical Archaeology as an Academic Discipline in Search of Its Academic Identity, PF Craffert - Religion and Theology, 1998. (Didn't look but good title, eh?) Ever fix that email? Take care, HG | Talk 19:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Archaeology articles

I read the article, and as I wrote, I saw nothing there that could not be better placed, in context, in either Biblical Archaeology or Archaeology of Israel. It is somewhat silly to have an article about the archaeology of the area of Israel, the West Bank and Jordan which, for example, only includes criticism of Yadin, one of most well known archaeologists of the area, without talking about him and his work. Feel free to discuss on the article's talk page. Canadian Monkey (talk) 21:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What gives is that there is an ungoing discussion, so please don't unilaterally remove the tag until we reach consensus. I will provide a detailed reply on the Talk page of the article, but that takes more time. Canadian Monkey (talk) 02:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi tiamut! Thanks for the note! Yes, it is a facinating subject...and (yet another) subject I know too little about. However, it looks like re-evaluation of Biblical Archaeology is slightly less painful (for the involved) than re-evaluation of the Archaeology of Israel....if the treatment of Nadia Abu El Haj is anything to go by....

As of Palestinian archaeology, are you familiar with:

• Kapitan, Tomis (editor): Archaeology, History and Culture in Palestine and the Near East: Essays in Memory of Albert E. Glock (ISBN: 078850584X)
• Fox, Edward: Palestine Twilight. The Murder of Dr Albert Glock and the Archaeology of the Holy Land. (ISBN: 0002556073) see also: [1], [2][3], Take care, Huldra (talk) 15:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC) PS: my edit-line is taken from the NewStateman article. Interesting quote,eh?

...ooopsh, I almost forgot: the one online Archaeology magazine I read at regular intervals ...it is aimed at a "popular" readership, but the people behind it seem to have quite solid knowledge of archaeology. Very entertaining. (And people can interpret that negatively or positively, as they like!) You will get a few articles if you search for "Palestinian", including this:

• Books: West Bank Thriller by Sandra Scham, Volume 55 Number 1, January/February 2002
• WAC vs. the Wall, Volume 57 Number 2, March/April 2004

Take care! Huldra (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tried to dig up WAC´s press release, but just found this: [4] Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

First: three articles about more general issues:

• general view,
• Sites and Shrines in Palestine by By Hamdan Taha, 24.11.2006, This Week In Palestine

Also: there really should be something more about the Tell es-Sultan-digs:

• [5] -
• more about Tell es-Sultan

In the last part, you could add something about the controversy over the Dead Sea Scrolls:

• dispute over Dead Sea Scrolls also in CNN [6] And in general, very interesting article; about how it is claimed that Israeli law encourages theft (since they do not allow digs, but do allow trade): [7]

..also: I think you should cut out the sentence: "An anonymous archaeologist who worked on collaborative Palestinian projects accused Taha of being "autocratic" and "very political""; an encyclopedia should not rely on anonymous sources like that..IMO. Have to log out now, take care, you do great work! Huldra (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm curious why you deleted this edit by User:Canadian Monkey:

In contrast to the religious motivations of Biblical archaeologists, Israeli archaeology, dating back to 1950s, developed as a secular discipline motivated in part by the nationalistic desire to affirm the link between the modern, nascent Israeli nation-state and the ancient Jewish population of the land. Paleolithic archaeology was of little interest, as was archaeology of Christian and Muslim periods. .

You might want to restore and critique it, either thru an edit summary or the Talk page. Thanks. HG | Talk 19:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realize that I had deleted that. It must have been a mouse error. In any case, it's since been restored, thankfully. You are correct in noting that it is relevant, reliably sourced and a great asset to the article. Tiamut^talk 13:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Military history coordinator selection

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Spamming

Hi I was wondering how do I go about protecting my page from spamming? --Gamal Al-Ansary (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Nadia Abu El Haj

Hi Tiamut, I corrected the nationality for this person and noted so on the talk page. Does this person hold duel citizenship? If so, can you please provide a source and then we can edit the page accordingly. Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 14:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have others comment? I will not revert it again. Regards, --70.109.223.188 (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Need your consent

Please follow up my recent request/comment here: Talk:Palestinian_fedayeen#communal_editing.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 05:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian Christian

Thanks for improving my edits. I tried to locate the English equivalent sources by couldn't find any, and I'm glad you found some, and also added and corrected relevant details in the article. -- Gabi S. (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello

How are you? I think for many days we don't talk...i find some hard in writing like this things the color or the design of the page..> hope you are alright ..--O.waqfi (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Syro-Palestinian archaeology

Your DYK hook does not appear to be supported by reliable sources. I think you will either need to change the hook or come up with a hook that is clearly cited. I can see you've done a lot of work on this article, and I'm sure you'd be disappointed to miss out on getting it featured on DYK. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, your source looks fine, as the next update is already finalized I will try to get your hook into the one after that :) Gatoclass (talk) 09:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

sure..welcome in Irbid :) is everything in wikipedia good with you? .i want to ask you. do you know how to make colors here something like that. --O.waqfi (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Let me know when you're ready for me to come back and mess with your mind (and article) some more. ;-) Mazel tov, HG | Talk 14:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You know, I put a new comment on article Talk, but it might be better to talk about this on user Talk first. I'd like to avoid having to make a long logical and/or referenced argument to demonstrate that the Archaeology of Israel covers much the same ground (literally, eh?!) as Syro-Palestinian archaeology. Now that things have settled down a bit, maybe you can let me know where you stand on this question. From what I can tell, any reliable source on "Archaeology of /Palestine/Syria/Israel/Southern Levant" could be used for the article and constitutes part of the discipline discussed there. (Unless it belongs more on the Biblical side.) So, let me know where you are on this, ok? Take care, HG | Talk 19:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if your on wiki now, just wrote you a note in article Talk. Fixed your email? See ya, HG | Talk 12:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Syro-Palestinian archaeology DYK

On 17 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Syro-Palestinian archaeology, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mar7aba

sorry that i rewrite to you so late..I mean like this, (E.g): <color;ff456#><background;anything here> something like this.i forget what these things name.--O.waqfi (talk) 14:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

thansk for the page :)..i don't want to ask them.mabye they are busy, "Tiamut" i didn't know your real name, do you have account at ar.wikipedia (arabic) ?--O.waqfi (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes..it will be OK....In wikipedia Englsih i am interseted too in my country "jordan" i am writing articles about it..everyone must improve these things here. i want to tell you something mabye we will not talk to me next Time.really i am still at school :| ..plz don't take anything wrong about me.--O.waqfi (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

Just wanted to say Mabruk! on Palestinian costumes passing its GA review and Syro-Palestinian arhchaelogy getting they DYK!

You clearly deserve this...

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your astonishing effort in providing wikipedia with high quality material on Palestine-related subjects such as the good articles of Tawfiq Canaan and Palestinian costumes and your dozen DYKs, not to mention your work on depopulated Palestinian villages. Wallah Mabruk! –-Al Ameer son (talk) 23:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Archiving.

First 40 sections are now archived to #12. -- Avi (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Your comments on my Talk page

Your threats will not get you far, and I suggest you look at your own actions before rushing of to AE. I will add mention of the Golan heights to that section, and will continue the discussion in detail later tonight, as I'm off to work. Canadian Monkey (talk) 17:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

(posting response here for the record since some users tend to vanish later): This comment on my talk page where you refer to above comment as a "threat" is uncalled for. I am giving you a fair warning that I view your editing at that page to be disruptive. It was good of you to re-add the Golan Heights as you did in this edit just now. Clearly, that is an acknowledgement that your edit removing that information was inappropriate. I am still waiting for a response to a number of other issues on the talk page and would to like to discuss that issue with you further, since it's still not clear to me that the site is in indeed inside Israel proper and that suggestion remains at the top of that section, per your previous edit. I do understand however that you have to go to work. So I'll be expecting to hear from you later. Do be aware however, that I am very serious about this warning, and I expect that when you return to editing, you will give plenty of consideration to the unanswered issues I have raised regarding your edits on the talk page there before continuing to make edits without regard to discussion. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 17:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

When you write on my Talk page that unless I do something, you will report me, you are making a threat. You may feel the threat is justified, but you are making a threat, nonetheless, and using the euphemism "I am giving you a fair warning" does not change the nature of the threat. If you don't want to be called on it, the answer is simple, don't make threats. My restoration of the "Golan Heights" is not an acknowledgment of anything, other than that I am ok with that version, as well, just like your removal of the claim that this is territory captured from Syria in 1967 does not, I think, constitute an acknowledgment on your part that its original inclusion was inappropriate. Please continue the discussion on the article Talk page, and not on mine. Canadian Monkey (talk) 06:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi...how are you?..since that messeage you didn't send to me,,,do you join arab project--O.waqfi (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The notice

i've made the change on palestinian fedayeen, I hope it's agreeable. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC) p.s. you can maybe play with it to try another suggestions that we could discuss if you're not 100% pleased with it. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sde Warburg

The moshav, named after Otto Warburg, is located in Drom HaSharon Regional Council, north of Kfar Saba, not in the Be'er Tuvia Regional Council, which is around Kiryat Mal'akhi, an entirely different part of the country. You are confusing with Kfar Warburg, named after Felix M. Warburg. FYI. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Keep it up

Just thought I'd say keep it up. I admire your diligence and intelligence and i think that you do an awful lot of good work at Wikipedia. Delad (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Gratias tibi ago

Undeserved. It should have been blanked. I've only just grazed it, there's much to do, and all over the place, not just there. One must just repeat to oneself the consoling modern Greek mantra, fazouli to fazouli yemizi to sakkouli(bean by bean the sack is filled). Best regards Nishidani (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Invite

I'm inviting you to our old discussion here Talk:Palestinian_fedayeen#Secular_vs._Nationalist as I've opened a 3O request and it is currently underway. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 13:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

A reminder to continue discussions. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Falafel

Greetings,

As you were one of two users edit warring over the "History" section of Falafel, I would like to ask you to PLEASE come to the talk page and Workshop page. I'd rather see a consensus article and see the page unlocked, than let it sit the whole time and just see edit warring resume.

Thanks, M1rth (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I have made contributions to the workshop page there. I was not "edit-warring", I was trying to make changes to the text to offset the mass blanking of sourced material and no one responded to my requests for discussion. You were involved in the mass blanking the history section yourself, predicated on bad-faith accusations. Please refrain from mass blankings in the future. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 11:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

You and Gilabrand were, in fact, edit warring. The History section was removed so that you two (and any more sockpuppets/meatpuppets either one of you might bring) would be forced to work out a compromise without either feeling "safe" that "your" version was protected in place and thereby made default. This was not a "mass blanking" but a tactic to try to force you both to the negotiation table, since neither of you was willing to do anything than revert-war prior. M1rth (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Repeat: I removed the material for two reasons. First, as the traced Contribs work of sockpuppetteer/vandal Jamiechef2 (talk · contribs) and second, because you and Gilabrand kept going at it. The page was protected so that neither of you would feel "your" version was set, a mediation tactic which Gwen Gale respected and agreed with in our Editprotected request to Alison. Please stop behaving in this manner and stop personally attacking me. It is also unhelpful for you to revert-war my talk page and place false warnings and personal attacks. M1rth (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I was not revert-warring. I was trying to make changes based on the sources cited. Further, I have participated in the page you set up, but please don't pretend you are blameless here. You mass blanked the material three times in one hour [8], [9], [10], and your edit summary cast aspersions (please read WP:NPA against the editor trying to re-add the material. Further, they did not add it, I did. So please, try to edit more collaboratively in the future. While it's nice that you opened finally opened up an RfC and discussion page for the subject, I might note that you were against the inclusion of the material altogether from the beginning and you were revert-warring to keep it out. So don't act like you're playing mediator here. You're an involved party, as much as those you accuse of revert-warring. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 15:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll take this in order, slowly for you to digest.

1. - The first removal was because the edit was traced to a sockpuppet of Jamiechef2 (talk · contribs) through contribs history. You can see the CheckUser for yourself.
2. - If you will notice, none of those editors reverted more than once. In retrospect and after discussion on IRC with a couple other editors, likely they realized their mistake due to poorly coded "anti-vandal tools which do not give proper background, since they did not return or object.
3. - The presence of Jamiechef2 (talk · contribs) was bad enough, but you're being pretty vitriolic and obstinate in your own right. I'll be ultra-clear just so maybe you understand: I don't care about the content, provided that it passes wikipedia policy. Misrepresenting sources as you did earlier isn't helping your case, either. M1rth (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflit)When you delete comments from me and other editors from your talk page, forcing me to repost them here, it makes it difficult to assume good faith. I suggest that rather than trying to blank constructive criticism that you instead engage your fellow editors in discussion and leave a record on your page on that discussion, so that others do not feel you are trying to hide something. Notice I have retained your comments here, though I disagree strongly with your characterization of events. However, I will not restore the comments on your talk page again. I don't see the point, given that I've copied the discussion here. The other editor who had a problem with your editing might do well to do the same, given your unwillingness to preserve the record of our interactions yourself. Have a nice day. Tiamut^talk 15:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

As to your second reply above, I did not "misrepresent" sources and I was the original author of the text in question. I do not care what "sockpuppets" re-added the information I composed, nor is that a sufficient rationale for its deletion. And I am not being "pretty vitriolic". You don't seem to understand how to engage other editors collegially, as evidenced by your block, listed at the top of your talk page. Again, have a nice day. Tiamut^talk 15:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

"Constructive criticism" doesn't include making false "warning" statements. Additionally, I reviewed the source myself, it does not say what you claim it to say, therefore you did indeed misrepresent it. Again and to reiterate, I don't care about the content, provided that it passes wikipedia policy. A helpful suggestion I would make, since you seem to keep making mistakes, is to bring a proposed edit to talk pages and allow a decent amount of time for comment before making them rather than simply edit-war as you appear to often do. M1rth (talk) 16:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

If you are talking about the article Za'atar, I've replied to your deletion of the material in question at the talk page there. Your deletion is unwarranted. Please stop harassing me on my talk page and please stop deleting sourced information you don't like. It's getting very tiresome. Tiamut^talk 16:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Human Genetic History draft and vote

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Please be advised that your conduct in food articles, related to the checkusered POV-pushing and sockpuppet abuse of Jamiechef2 (talk · contribs), may very well be in violation of the Arbitration Committee's results regarding Israeli/Palestinian conflict in articles. I am requesting that you stand down rather than my having to ask for sanctions. Please make sure that your edits are within policy, and refrain from inserting unsourced/mis-sourced/misrepresented material.M1rth (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

in regards user:M1rth

Please see [11]. I would rather AGK review the terms of the unblock before going forward with what may be an unnecessary RfC. Jd2718 (talk) 16:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Falafel/Workshop

Please see this and thank you for the constructive suggestion. Talk:Falafel/Workshop will now be available to discuss Falafel/Workshop edits. I hope this helps the discussion move along there. M1rth (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

A note

hi. where have you been all this time? hope all's well.

your note of mourning above is something i find extremely fair and even-handed, and moving. I know your basic sympathies are with your own people.I appreciate your ability to express the general grief for both sides which all right-thinking people should feel. someday peace will come. the building blocks are already there. I hope things will be better for all. hope things are good with you. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 13:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello

how are you ? since olng time i didn't talk to you ..... :) hope you are alirght --O.waqfi (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Arab vote at the 1999 elections

Hi Tiamut. I'd be interested to know where you got the figure of 65,000 Arab votes for Zionist parties in the 1999 election - are there figures available for others? It could be an interesting piece of information to add to the election article series. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, must have missed that when I was reading through. As for the unclear bit, I assume you are referring to the sentence

"and the 1999 elections when non-Arab parties received only 65,000 Arab votes, around 20% of the total (the Labor Party's share was about 17,000 votes, as was Meretz's. The rest were divided between the two ruling parties at the time: Shas and the Likud), though that election was based on the two-ballot system, which meant that voters could cast one ballot for Prime Minister (the only Arab candidate, Azmi Bishara, withdrew before the election, with Labor's Ehud Barak winning 95% of the Arab vote) and the other for an Arab party."

It is a bit wordy, but I didn't want to remove the info you added as it is all useful stuff, but I'll have a go at clearing it up. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I managed to find an academic source on the subject: [12] Some quite interesting stuff about the radicalisation of the Bedouin; hopefully I'll get around to adding that to other articles soon. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Some good stuff in there, but I am puzzled by the following:

"He writes that only 18% of the total Arab population in Israel voted in 1999 and of these, 20% cast a blank ballot. In Israel at the Polls 2003, it is noted that Arab voting participation dropped from 70% of registered voters during the 1999 elections to 62% in 2003,"

The first statement is clearly incorrect; even accounting for the high proprotion of Arabs under 18, there is a clear difference between 18% and 70%. The academic paper above gives a total Arab vote of 339,164 in 1999 when the total population was around a million (i.e. 33.9% of the total population).

The question is, should we quote claims if they are quite clearly wrong? пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I decided to replace it with the acadmic text which does note a drop in turnout as a %. Also, I've added Arabic text and interwiki on Ka'ak, which you might want to check for accuracy (I noticed that the article I've interwikied interwikies back to Cake!). пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfC

While I appreciate your concern, responding to a canvassed vote does not constitute a breach of policy, and does not discount my vote. I have actually responded to Michael's request before you sent me a message. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Impasse

As I said Tiamut, I think we should just get back to discussing the issues. Unfortunately, Michael's misuse of an RFC to canvas his buddies has almost ensured that no further progress is made on this issue for at least a couple more weeks, so I'm feeling rather pessimistic about the whole thing right now.

I guess you could haul Michael before AE to try and get a temporary page ban for holding up development by tendentious misinterpretation of sources and misuse of the RFC process, but there's no guarantee of success and such actions always run the risk of further antagonizing one's opponents. So it's up to you I guess. Personally, I just feel like absenting myself from the entire debate until the almost inevitable new round of recriminations that this RFC has probably initiated subsides. Gatoclass (talk) 13:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

West Bank and Jordan, mandate era

Hi, Tiamut. Glad to see your tireless and substantial positive contributions to the encyclopedia. But actually Canadian Monkey's version is more accurate. There was just one legal mandate, with two regions administered differently under its authority. The sensible thing to do is to avoid this very confusing issue here and elsewhere as much as one can, and treat it in specific articles on it. Zero0000, Ian Pitchford, (who don't seem to be around any more), and I (who was away until just now) did a good amount of research and explanation to clear this up a while ago in the British Mandate article talk pages and archives. One point is that the borders were not decided at all at San Remo (cf article here) The provisional border of the very early mandate 20-21 was the Jordan river. Transjordan was then added (not split off) and the charter changed at Cairo, March 1921, not 1922 (the Churchill White Paper). Lustick and Pappe are not the right sources to use, and are misleading. Amusingly, it was Weizmann who wanted Transjordan for Jewish settlement. Jabotinsky didn't really care and persuaded Weizmann it was unnecessary and not worth pressing for, and both approved the restriction from settlement there. Then Jabotinsky and his Revisionists made up a story about how they were robbed of it by perfidious Albion, and since then the literature on it has become very confusing - and it wasn't too clear who claimed what to start with.John Z (talk) 07:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Ka'ak

Marhaba Tiamut, I just wanted to drop by and congratulate you on the work you did in ka'ak; The history on ka'ak al-asfar was very interesting! Because of this, I was hoping that when you have time, could you add some of that info to the Palestinian cuisine article. It passed its GA review but even besides history it needs some more expansion on the traditional aspects of some foods. I go to northern Palestine every summer to visit my family but I never ask of the historical background of the delicious foods and desserts served (I just eat it with a smile). This summer I'll be sure to inquire some more knowledge on our cuisine. Cheers and Salaam! --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you heard of Burbarah and Hilbieh, its a wheat treat for St. Barbara's feast. I saw it here Its at the bottom of the page. I don't know if its useful to you, just putting it out.

P.S. do have any idea about where Huldra's been? She hasn't edited since February 12. Do you know if she is on a wikibreak or if she has retired? --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

good

sorry that my message too late.yes we must do anything like you said,really what can we do form our site?.......about wikipedia there is nothing active here with me..can i do some thing useful,that mabye i want to leave the arabic wikipedia. --O.waqfi (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)