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On the tag you just did. perfect! Now off to work. [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 05:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:Oh thank you, I agree it seems a bit silly. but... these things do count somewhere for something. [[User_talk:Benjiboi|<small><u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj<font color="#FF4400">e</font></u></small><u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi</font></u>]] 05:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC) |
:Oh thank you, I agree it seems a bit silly. but... these things do count somewhere for something. [[User_talk:Benjiboi|<small><u style="text-decoration:none;font-family: papyrus;color:#CC00CC">Banj<font color="#FF4400">e</font></u></small><u style="font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:#8000FF">b<font color="#FF4400">oi</font></u>]] 05:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC) |
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The assholes are truly something, aren't they? [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 17:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Note - access date format 2008-06-16
Living Memory LGBT History Timeline from Trans perspective
A possible resource. Transgender Aging Network has launched a project - Living Memory LGBT History Timeline to assist with aging LGBT folks "It is impossible to tell without asking someone precisely which public events shaped their lives, but knowing what was likely reported in newspapers and discussed at dinner parties during a person’s lifetime may help you understand how their worldview was shaped. To offer insight into the concerns, lifestyles, and belief sets of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people who are now 50 and older, the Transgender Aging Network has constructed the following timeline showing how old they would have been when there were critical events or changes in the lives of LGBT people." Starting with the 1920s the events list can be cross-referenced with current GLBT timelines and used as a possible stepping stone to aid Trans projects and awareness. The PDF version is here [3] Html via Google is here [4]
Feminists for Life potential material
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quotes to be sourced and used for Feminists for Life article Jane Roberts, the wife of John Roberts, was a volunteer member of Feminists for Life's board of directors from 1995 to 1999. She has provided legal assistance to the pro-life group and been recognized as a contributor who donated from $1,000 to $2,500. She has written for a newsletter for a pro-life group called 's newsletter, including an article about adoption. Roberts and her husband have adopted two children. Source: Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Jul 21, 2005 Recognizing that 20 percent of all abortions are performed on college students, Foster launched Feminists for Life's College Outreach Program to provide practical resources for pregnant and parenting students and keeps up a grueling schedule traveling to campuses, where she's remarkably successful in changing students' minds about abortion. Planned Parenthood called Feminists for Life's "Question Abortion" campaign "the newest and most challenging concept in anti-choice student organizing." Foster sharply criticizes colleges for providing abortions but no other services for pregnant students. "What kind of a choice is that?" she asks. She challenges abortion supporters and pro-lifers to work together to provide real alternatives to women facing crisis pregnancies. Patricia Heaton, who played Raymond's wife on the hit series Everybody Loves Raymond, is a Feminists for Life celebrity spokesman who loves Foster. She explains that "opponents think [our] group is strong and powerful, because Serrin is strong and powerful. She's the embodiment of what we feel about women. To think that the only thing a woman can do with a child is abort is demeaning to women and undermines everything that the women's movement has been working on since the suffragettes." Under the banner "Women Deserve Better," Heaton appears in one of Feminists for Life's print ad campaigns that reads: "Every 38 seconds in America a woman lays her body down, feeling forced to choose abortion out of a lack of practical resources and emotional support. Abortion is a reflection that society has failed women. There is a better way." January 23, 2006, 8:42 a.m. Pro-Life Women Fight for Feminism Today’s feminists are far from yesterdays. http://www.patriciaheatononline.com/pharticles2004/goodbyegirl_10.html January 2004 'It's Not About Me' By Dan Ewald | Christian Reader Magazine "She is brazen in her decision to be pro-life in an unabashedly pro-choice town. Patricia is the honorary chairperson of Feminists for Life, a non-religious group that attempts to bring feminism back to its original meaning, which, she says, was about making the world a place where women and children can feel safe and protected and become whom they are to the fullest extent. Since most of her peers connect pro-lifers to a brand of Christian extremism, Patricia appreciates Feminists for Life's method." In my community in Hollywood, FFL is a way to approach the question of feminism and pro-life thinking in a way that people can hear it and don't have a preconceived idea." criticism Abortion Foes See Validation for New Tactic By ROBIN TONER Published: May 22, 2007 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/20/BAGDSGQD1C1.DTL SAN FRANCISCO Abortion debate rivals refine their images On eve of rallies, opponents soften profile, while pro-choice side battles complacency Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer Friday, January 20, 2006 Stereotyping Pro-Lifers Occasional by Nat Hentoff The Washington Post, May 16, 1992 http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:OANPtpvATewJ:www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/media/hentoff_stereotype.html+%22feminists+for+life%22+critics+-blog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us Susan B. Anthony's Abortion Position Spurs Scuffle Run Date: 10/06/06 By Allison Stevens Washington Bureau Chief Susan B. Anthony died 100 years ago, but her position on abortion--what she did and didn't write, say or believe--is causing a live-action political tussle among historians, journalists and political activists. http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=2915 Bray vs. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic. http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/bray.html http://www-tech.mit.edu/V109/N17/prlife.17n.html Volume 109 >> Issue 17 : Tuesday, April 11, 1989 MIT Pro-Lifers rally on eve of march By Prabhat Mehta http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2006/10/06/anthony/ Broadsheet Susan B. Anthony, against abortion? http://www.talkinbroadway.com/rialto/past/2004/10_25_04.html Talkin' Broadway An Interview with Margaret Colin by Beth Herstein Silencing Lorraine Hansberry Bernadette Waterman Ward i. Jerome Beaty and J. Paul Hunter, The Norton Introduction to Literature, 7th ed. (New York and London: W.W. Norton & Company, 1998) p. 1832. subject to debate | posted August 11, 2005 (August 29, 2005 issue) Feminists for (Fetal) Life Katha Pollitt http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050829/pollitt |
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Starting draft page
User:Benjiboi/LGBT image quest for current pile.
LGBT Random Picture for user pages
Use {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} or alternatively <center>{{Portal:LGBT/Pics}}</center> if you want it centered on userspace.Benjiboi
Transgeneration source
8 page interview Benjiboi 2 other interviews linked on same page. Benjiboi
Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence operation Spanner link
refs date of benefit event Benjiboi
Kellan
Kellan event in 2007[5]Benjiboi
Build stub for Michael A. Gilbert per Transexual article edit request from 89.182.0.102
The term 'cross-dresser' is not exactly defined in the relevant literature. Michael A. Gilbert[2], professor at the Department of Philosophy, York University, Toronto, and an avowed cross-dresser himself, offers this definition Benjiboi
Sisters controversy section ideas
...because Catholicism and American politics has a vast influence on American culture or history of (discrimination, ?,?) or even the more unique and universal appearance of dress the Sisters ...
Need to find refs of criticism from within LGBT community. Benjiboi
verbiage
James Martin, S.J. the U.S. entertainment industry is of "two minds" about the Catholic Church. He argues that,
On the one hand, film and television producers seem to find Catholicism irresistible. There are a number of reasons for this. First, more than any other Christian denomination, the Catholic Church is supremely visual, and therefore attractive to producers and directors concerned with the visual image. Vestments, monstrances, statues, crucifixes - to say nothing of the symbols of the sacraments - are all things that more "word oriented" Christian denominations have foregone. The Catholic Church, therefore, lends itself perfectly to the visual media of film and television. You can be sure that any movie about the Second Coming or Satan or demonic possession or, for that matter, any sort of irruption of the transcendent into everyday life, will choose the Catholic Church as its venue.Benjiboi
Move from commons to WP as not considered free content but fair use. Benjiboi
review mass deletions by Mamaljulo (sp?) and restore as appropriate if no one else has. Benjiboi
- Media Matters refs all have sources listed, source originals as well. Benjiboi
"Chicken and Bulls" Extortion Scam
See this. Seems worthy of an article but loads of research, possibly userfy and build. Benjiboi
Compare to current and clean-off what is used already. Benjiboi
Maybe you can do something with this. I looked at it and tried to figure out how to incorporate it but it was too confusing for me. Of note is that the line is manufactured by American Apparel. ALLSTARecho
- Gold mine! I'm digging through a bio right now but we'll deal with that soonly. Benjiboi
Gays and YouTube
- Coalition Building in Advocate.
“ | The biggest breakthrough came when gay folks volunteered in droves to help organize and register people for the CNN/YouTube debate held last July at the Citadel in Charleston. "I bet 75% of the people who were manning (the registration) process were members of the community," says Warren Redman-Gress, the current executive director of AFFA. | ” |
- Drama, intrigue, and fighting. Now this is reality TV.: Hillary, Mitt, Barack, and a unique cast of others battle it out on the campaign trail By Joanna Weiss, Boston Globe Staff / January 22, 2008.
“ | November's CNN/YouTube Republican debate drew 4.5 million viewers, making it the top-rated debate in cable history. | ” |
- A One-Way Ticket to Disaster DAVE ITZKOFF, New York Times, December 30, 2007.
“ | 'We live in a society where there are virtually no repercussions,' said Ms. Min of Us Weekly. The repeat offenders who most often populate our gossip, she said, know full well they can 'get arrested one day, walk a red carpet the next, and still have as many photographers shouting their names and wanting their pictures.' Still, some celebrity journalists believe that while the explosion of instantaneous news media outlets has made these personalities more accountable for their transgressions, the offenses themselves haven’t necessarily grown more offensive over time. |
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- Internet Sensation From Kentucky WSAZ News Dec 29, 2007, Reporter: Amanda Barren. About Sledd. Benjiboi
Closeted homophobe or severely misunderstood?
- this one sums his homosexuality as open secret
- this editorial in ScotsGay - "Nevertheless, Outrage has been far too kind to those gay clerics and MPs like Kilfedder who have used their power to oppress us." (ties in age of consent campaign)
refs and EL's deleted; research and restore article in case of notability strike. Benjiboi
[6] ref and restore these deletions. Benjiboi
ref help on Swish (slang)
convert Harvards into cite. Benjiboi
Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) new article
New Crocker
I though this existed already. build one. Banjiboi
find new flickr image
If needed, explanation in shift of how Jones/Temple were seen before/after mardrs and suicide.[7] Banjeboi
Excellent book from a legal perspective covering Jones connection and plenty of trial details.[8] Banjeboi
Overview statements about San Francisco history.[9] Banjeboi
White night ref. [10] Banjeboi
Time 100 biography[11] Banjeboi
Yikes, what a mess. Do a proper read and sort out sections. Banjeboi
- Early life
- Move to London
- Career
- Club kids, three queens?
- Fashion designer
- Club promoter
- Modeling
- Minty
- Taboo musical
Also need section, maybe in London part, about lover/roomate. Banjeboi
Gay bathhouse needs refs - rush
work up fair use for photo of Leigh & Trogan
former lovers, roomates, collaborators, etc Banjeboi
Possible ref for transgender history in the Polk
The original queer district: A brief history of the Polk's queer cred by J. PLASTER; August 29, 2007 Bay Guardian]. Banjeboi
convert bibliography to cites and then clean-up all the refs to cite format. Banjeboi
add archive and clean. Banjeboi 00:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Gender neutral pronouns
Whistling requested that the discussion be centralized on Whistling's talk page, but since you didn't post there at all, I figured I would reply to you here to make sure you see my reply.
I am sorry, but I must respectfully disagree that standard English includes gender-neutral pronouns for living beings. I know that a large number of compromises have been suggested (Whistling's favorite being "ze/hir"), however, none of these is part of standard English, and I personally find most of them to sound forced, artificial, and in a lot of cases just confusing or hard to say. (For instance, "hir" is a terrible idea because of it's phonetic similarity to "her")
As you may have noticed in my conversation with Whistling, there may come a day when a mainstream publication such as the New York Times chooses to adopt one of these neologisms. If that were to happen, it could enter standard English rather rapidly. However, until something like that happens, it is unreasonable to expect that all Wikipedians will suddenly reject their native language and start using a non-standard extension to it.
I have personally agreed to abide by Whistling's request in that I will not use pronouns at all to refer to Whistling. However, I simply don't think we can expect all Wikipedians to abide by that. My wording in closing the Wikiquette Alert was actually modified from my initial closing, since I felt a little bad for Whistling -- I know Whistling is very hurt by this. I initially basically said that the Alert was crap and people should just ignore it. I then decided that it would be better to say that people should be aware this is what Whistling prefers -- but I don't think anybody can be forced to abide by this. It is not a civility issue. It is a special request, and some editors may choose to abide by it, and some may not.
I really don't feel like I'm the intolerant/close-minded bad guy here. As I said, I have made a personal choice to respect Whistling's wishes. Whistling's gender indentification (or lack thereof) is actually a new experience for me -- I've known people with a very fluid gender identification, and can understand that pretty well, but I've never known anyone with no gender identification. I can't say I entirely understand it, but I can respect it, and I do dearly sympathize with this flaw in the English language, and the isolation that Whistling feels as a result. That is why I will do what I feel that I reasonably can do to abide by Whistling's preference. But I can't force other people to do it, nor, in my opinion, should I. --Jaysweet (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- I think your statements are a bit faulty but appreciate you giving consideration to these issues. Although the user probably could have handled this better ... and they may have to adjust their expectations for dealing with perceived gender binary bias ... they do have quite a valid point and this is unlikely the first time the issues have been brought up. Nor is it likely the last. I still encourage you to modify your resolved statement as there were two issues that I felt should be addressed:
- 1. There are gender-neutral pronouns for living people within the English language, our language adds new words all the time so it is of little surspise that these exist.
- 2. Whistling42's concerns are basically spot-on. We are careful not to assume someone's religion or sexuality and likewise should develop sensitivity in gender arenas as well. Simply stating something like "editors are encouraged to use gender-neutral language and user names if unsure of a user's gender identity", I think, may benefit all concerned.
- Having stated all this I'm happy to remind Whistling42 that it's unlikely these issues will be resolved quickly or universally, on Wikipedia or elsewhere. I find "his or her" a less-than-ideal phrase for exactly the reasons stated - it implies one is either one or the other and no others exist. However that is the current academic phrasing and his been put into use for over two decades. I also don't think it's healthy to expect other editors to learn what your chosen gender identity is and then only use that when referencing oneself. It's a bit tilting at windmills, at least for the moment. [User_talk:Benjiboi|Banjeboi]] 21:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- There are not gender-neutral pronouns in standard English. Just because somebody made them up and some handful of people use them does not mean they are part of the English language. Absolutely our language adds new words all the time, but they are added by entering into frequent usage within published copy-edited texts -- not by somebody just deciding they might be useful. In my experience, dictionaries are more likely to include the clunky and undesirable "irregardless" (a neologism without purpose or meaning, but unfortunately part of the English lexicon since the early 20th century) than they are to contain "ze".
- Like I say, maybe this will change in the future. But in 2008, "ze" is not a word in English. People may choose to use it if they wish, and if enough people do it may enter the language in the future. But it hasn't yet. --Jaysweet (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Your resolved statement was that they don't exit, I'm glad you are now at least modifying and qualifying your view. And like every word in the English language they start with a few people using them and go from there. Are they widely recognized? Not yet. Are they a part of the English language, of course. I'm hardly a linguistical or semantics authority so I won't pretend to know what is the test that determines if a word has or hasn't moved up in status but my point was that the words do exist, are a part of the English language and certainly can be used by and for living people. I think the rest we mostly agree on. Banjeboi 17:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
PU from here.
and now from here.
and now from here Banjeboi 23:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Also:
- Google scholar
- Previous AfD may also have some items
About 12-15 refs needed to address OR concerns. Banjeboi
GLAAD 2008
As President of Mt. San Antonio College LAMBDA Student Association, I was lucky enough to receive free tickets to the 2008 GLAAD Media Awards. Our VP, Comic artist Aubrey Miranda was also in attendance. Here's what would have happened had I decided to take the plunge. Hope you find it amusing. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Lol! Yes, I can see Ms. Jackson-if-you're-nasty as being a very dangerous force for the sheer magnetism alone. Perhaps an anti-gravity belt would help? Banjeboi 14:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- I startled a few people when I screamed her name. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Lol. You must be careful - you could spill a drink thus wasting valuable alcohol! Banjeboi 10:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- I startled a few people when I screamed her name. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Please leave the article issues tags in place until the issues have been dealt with. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukexpat (talk • contribs)
- Your rather WP:POINTy tag is bordering on violating our policies on civility, IMHO, with six clean-up issues. I respectfully suggest you pick the top two (with a suggestion that referencing be one of them), and leave the rest of the issues until those are resolved. If you are unable or unwilling I will be happy to do so for you. The editors there have made a good-faith effort to address your concerns and I'm not quite seeing the problem in the same light as you are. Banjeboi 03:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- You are not the only one making constructive edits - I have been doing my bit too. The tags are there to alert editors to issues, no more, no less and I have raised valid issues. – ukexpat (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to suggest you weren't making valid edits. To be more clear, although your concerns may be valid they don't help create a collaborative atmosphere of working with one another. We could all add such a tag to the vast majority of articles because almost all do need improving. But we don't because it makes the article look clunky and our readers don't need a laundry list of issues to read through first. I'm sure there's a policy or guideline but I'd rather you consider what your goal there is? I again suggest picking the top 1 or 2 concerns that will make the biggest beneficial change for the article. Leave a note on the talk page stating "these are the current tags but these are some other issues that do need to be addressed". The article is being worked on and we want to get those who are putting in problem stuff to learn, not be intimidated away. Banjeboi 03:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- OK I guess I don't see the same problem with the tags that you do, but in any event I have reduced them to three. I will start a discussion on the talk page soon. – ukexpat (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that! Banjeboi 10:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- OK I guess I don't see the same problem with the tags that you do, but in any event I have reduced them to three. I will start a discussion on the talk page soon. – ukexpat (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to suggest you weren't making valid edits. To be more clear, although your concerns may be valid they don't help create a collaborative atmosphere of working with one another. We could all add such a tag to the vast majority of articles because almost all do need improving. But we don't because it makes the article look clunky and our readers don't need a laundry list of issues to read through first. I'm sure there's a policy or guideline but I'd rather you consider what your goal there is? I again suggest picking the top 1 or 2 concerns that will make the biggest beneficial change for the article. Leave a note on the talk page stating "these are the current tags but these are some other issues that do need to be addressed". The article is being worked on and we want to get those who are putting in problem stuff to learn, not be intimidated away. Banjeboi 03:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- You are not the only one making constructive edits - I have been doing my bit too. The tags are there to alert editors to issues, no more, no less and I have raised valid issues. – ukexpat (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Benjiboi - I, as the person who wrote the article, am lost and could seriously use some help (and would welcome such assistance as you would be willing to offer). You're right - it was intimidating and frustrating and, as someone new to doing anything on wiki other than using it as a reference, I was about ready to consider it hopeless. The article may be a conflict of interest, since I am one of the founders and the executive director, but I did try to write it in a way that was honest and "third-partyish". This whole thing began because someone saw our entry, written by someone NOT in Woodhull, and pointed out that there was a serious mis-communication presented on the page.
Anyway, I've added third-party sources, I've third-person'd the article and I hope I've brought it more into the framework of what's needed for a wikipedia article. I had based much of my content on a page that was acceptable here on wikipedia, by the way, that was certainly more of an advertisement and written in the first person than anything I put up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Sexual_Freedom).
So, anyway, any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated! RicciJoy (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that article is also problematic and I've tagged it for references needed. As you do seem willing to improve the Woodhull FF article please take a look at Greenpeace and see how similar information is treated. Rather than dwell on what the article was or why it was that way let's just keep improving it. I'll add some tweaks here and there and anybody else can make changes as well. Try not to get discouraged, everything we write will be edited and reworked to some degree. I would say the main concern would be to keep adding sources to verify information presented. The more that are independent of WFF the better. I also am not too concerned about COI issues as you have been forthcoming about your connection and concerns. I would be concerned if you were stating WFF is the top _____ for all sexuality researchers or similar claims with no sources to back it up. I've seen nothing in my brief overviews that suggest outlandish or untrue claims are being made. Banjeboi 23:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
You are an absolute delight to work with and I thank you. I'm beginning my search to have someone other than me do some edits and, in the meantime, will find sources and continue to do things like remove the redundant tags (sheesh - that took forever to put in there, too.. And here I thought I was doing something great!
Anyway, thanks for all of your help and encouragement. This is a fascinating process and an amazing resource and I'm particularly glad there are folks here like you to help folks like me who might otherwise give up! I'll check out Greenpeace and use that as a model. RicciJoy (talk) 10:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
- We were all new once! Banjeboi 14:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
So - as one of the newer "news", how would I upload a picture, like the Woodhull logo? Or one of our banners? RicciJoy (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I've started a Request for Comment that will hopefully bring in some more editors to the Helms article. NCdave's behavior is really pushing it, so hopefully more eyes will keep him in check. While he's certainly keeping us honest I'm getting sick of reverting his deletions. I'm not actively restoring the lead section, since I think that's not quite as clear-cut as the quotes that I'm restoring, but I think your latest version is just about ready for permanent inclusion in the article, if not necessarily the lead.--TexasDex ★ 15:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
- I appreciate that, I've started Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#NCdave deleting uncomfortable material about Jesse Helms about the same thing. NCdave has some valid points but they get lost in all the rest of it and there is so much other material to work through. This is why the rest of the world is puzzled by Americans, does anyone really think Helms wasn't a segregationist and likely a bigot as well? Helms was a fascinating person so I hope a good article will help show where he came from (his views) and how he was sustained financially. Banjeboi 16:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Jesse Helms - Socio-political views (section notes)
- Morality
- Racial equality
- Blacks
- Latins
- homosexuality/LGBT rights
- AIDS
- abortion
- National Endowment for the Arts
- Racial equality
- Communism
- Pinochet in Chile
- Castro in Cuba
- Marcos in the Philippines
- Nicaragua
- "Senator No"
- Foreign Policy
- United Nations
- International trade/protectionism
- Test ban treaty
- International criminal courts
- Taxes
- textiles
- tobacco
- Agriculture bill
sources for Castro Street Fair
It looks to me like the castrostreetfair.org link (in the External links and references section) is a source, albeit a primary one. Why did you change my primarysources template to noreferences? Stepheng3 (talk) 04:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Because it's listed as an external link and not under references or notes. It's not that big of a deal, the article is safe from deletion as it's plenty notable and sources certainly exist. The fair was founded by Harvey Milk who was killed late 1970s so that fair is at least 30 years old. Banjeboi 04:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- The section in question was titled "External links and references." How can you tell that castrostreetfair.org isn't a reference? Stepheng3 (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- It could be used as a ref but those sections shouldn't be combined. Really the whole article need a lot of content and sources added. I've put on one and updated the tag and fixed those sections. Banjeboi 05:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- The article looks better now. Thanks. Stepheng3 (talk) 16:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Great work
On the tag you just did. perfect! Now off to work. Jeffpw (talk) 05:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh thank you, I agree it seems a bit silly. but... these things do count somewhere for something. Banjeboi 05:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh Benji
The assholes are truly something, aren't they? Jeffpw (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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