Talk:My Chemical Romance

Not screamo and not emo

I agree with the people below. MCR has neven said they aren't emo, and called it a "pile of ****."

71.173.54.250 (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you people think that? Listen to Ampere and then to any band you call screamo these days. See the difference? Then listen to Indian Summer and then any band you call emo today. See the difference? MTV has ruined yet another genre by forcing bands of other genres into it.

People seem to think that all sad music is emo and all music where they scream is screamo. You're wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.87.80 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Now.. I hope that MTV starts calling Britney Spears and all other pop/dance music DEATH METAL. Then people would start calling pop death metal and the whole genre system would be ruined. So please stop ruining the genres by putting completely false information here. MCR only plays emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.87.80 (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I always thought that MCR was Melodic Hardcore or Post-Hardcore or something like that. Kinda like Modern Life is War, At The Drive-In, and the like.--98.235.102.203 (talk) 22:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

They said in an interview to Russian MTV that they are playing "melodic punk". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eskimo Limon (talk • contribs) 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviews and Statements by the band don't count, only vaild 3rd party sources can be used in the article. Emo777 (talk) 08:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you people care what MTV says stop being little drones MTV is not the only reffrence point available. 69.26.236.94 (talk)Tawny1 05:19 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism of Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge Page

On the Three Cheers For Sweet EMO Page some moron completely ruined it. I fixed up some of it but i don't have time to fix all of it, can someone finish cleaning up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akira112 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

what do you mean? it seems normal to meAwqaw123123 (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

TRL Award

The band won the "Best Band Award" at the 2007 Italian TRL Awards. Add this information in the list. --81.208.83.241 (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

New singles

Two singles have been added in the begining of the article, but it has no references. How do we know it's true? --Moraleh 18:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't..I'm going to remove that.BlackMasks&Gasoline (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In a few interviews on YouTube with Gerard Way and the rest of My Chemical Romance - they said that after the tour in the USA, they're going to be starting to write and record a new album. YAY!♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.16 (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Please try to stay relevant. Zazaban (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope i'm allowed to swear on this forum page. If not, oh well. THAT IS RELEVANT, ASSHOLE.

Got links? That would be helpful. We can assess whether or not it's genuine and note it in the article if appropriate. --rm 'w avu 21:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. I don't have any links. Just go on YouTube and search "MCR interviews" or "Gerard Way Interviews". You'll come accross at least one or two interviews of MCR theselves saying about a new album after their tour in the USA. Oh, I think it's on their site too. Maybe not though. Check it out.- ♥

In recent concerts, Gerard announced the third album's tentative title to be "Die. Slow.", should we put this in the article? Much like "The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance" it is likely not the final title.66.57.20.114 (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance already have three albums out - #1: I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. #2: Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge. & #3: The Black Parade. It will be their fourth album coming, just to let you know. (L):)

No, not even close to enough information yet. Some have suggested that this is a reference to the Panic at the Disco album Pretty. Odd. and is just making fun of them and has nothing to do with an actual title for a new album. They have stated that they won't have plans to release an album for another year at least, it's too early to say anythimg solid yet.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if anything we should include it since Gerard himself said it himself.I mean, an alleged title from the band themselves, who haven't commented on it since, could be important unless they talk about it soon. Oh and if they're playing new songs it's hard to believe that the new album's a year or more away. By then they'll have played every song on the album. 66.57.20.114 (talk) 10:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

In a recent interview with Ray in Big Cheese magazine he said that the new songs may not even make the new album. They are just new songs to play. After this tour in the U.S. they will be going on a break for 6 months to a year and then they will begin working on a new album. That is why I say not to add anything. It's too early to start speculating. Not enough solid information.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if the new songs aren't released shouldn't they be released in the Live format much like Bury Me in Black? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.20.114 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not reallly into that song. I really like MCR (especially The Black Parade + Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge). And I know that song is off of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge, I just don't like it.. Loud and noisy. MCR can do bettter. Like, You Know What They Do To Guys Like Us In Prison. Favourite song ever. Love it to pieces. Aha, I know it's not relevant but I love talking about MCR. PS - happpy biirthdaay Geeeraard. ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If Gerard's joke title for the album can't be included why is his western joke (which is much more blatant and an intro for Hang Em High) allowed66.57.20.114 (talk) 15:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I know what you're referring to. I can't find that in this article.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

there are 2 new songs by MCR. they are fan named "The World Is Ugly" and "Stay". look them up on youtube if you dont believe me. they were both played in Hong Kong.

Youtube isn't a reliable source. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

But it's obviously true. Much mcr fans know that song, and alot have listened it live. --Moraleh (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

someone said that "stay" is actually called "death wish"...is this true? if so can you change it plz Awqaw123123 (talk) 08:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it is, read here. Anyway, we're gonna wait until we can watch it on the next DVD. --Moraleh (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The two songs played in Hong Kong are supposedly going to be released in the next album. I was at a concert in austin, texas, and gerard talked about a new record coming with some cowboy songs. Thebluekazoo (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Where has everything gone?!

Helllo People! Where has all the discussions and goood arguments gone? What's up with that, now?!

This is not the place for "discussions" and "arguments." That's what a forum is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for information, and these talk pages are for discussing how to edit the material on the pages of the encyclopedia and how accurate they are.Stjimmy61892 12:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjimmy61892 (talk • contribs)

This is random, but I don't know where else to stick it in: Could someone please change the part about the Black Parade is Dead! release date? It didn't come out on April 22, but no one has changed/removed the date yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.136.62 (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Talking about emo

It's OK that Wikipedia think talking about if MCR is emo or not isn't appropiate, but I think there should be an explanation about the reasons, so every people can know why MCR isn't emo or why Wikipedia think they aren't. (I know MCR theyself say they aren't emo, but I think there should be a more elaborated argument) --Moraleh 02:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately that is the only arguement as most verifiable sources call them that. --neonwhite user page talk 23:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, if that's all, I think we should delete the warni... oh! it's already deleted... =) --Moraleh (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless it was decided by an arbitration commitee then i don't think it can stand as it was in violation of WP:CCC policy. --neonwhite user page talk 12:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bring up the usual argument for the 'not-emo' side, but anyway, I think that a band's genre can only truly be defined by them. I mean, everyone else throwing genres at them isn't the same as the band themselves saying it because only the band knows the genre and overall effect that they were aiming for. I think that because MCR is the band making the music, they have the right to determine what they should be classified as better than any critic. For that reason, I argue that MCR is not emo.

Oh, and another thing - if my argument is not good enough and the genre of 'emo' remains, I also suggest that it be changed to emo-rock because "emo" music is usually more towards the soft, less violent side, musically speaking. I'm no expert; that's just my perception, but I don't think MCR is "emo". As a compromise, perhaps "gothic rock"?

The bands genre can only be decided by verifiable sources and not personal opinion, this is wikipedia policy. There is no such thing as emo-rock and they certainly have never been called gothic rock in any sources that has been provided. --neonwhite user page talk 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Only proffesional critics can truly say what they are. MCR is a band, not a group of experts about music in general. --Moraleh (talk) 03:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

How does one become a professional critic? :p

In response to the comment above - there's no fucking way MCR is gothic rock, even if they would like to be known as such. Also, I'm pretty sure most emos would venture to say that emo is in fact a musical genre. When does the interpretation of many cease to be opinion and become verifiable fact? (At this point I think it's pretty much common knowledge among those that are not fans that MCR is an emo band) †Sƒ (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually some of theyr lyrics can be considerated "gothic" and they have influences of bands such as The Cure that is gothic rock, some songs do have a gothic rock sound. The solo of "To the End" it's an example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.40.19 (talk) 16:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

MCR have no emo influence in them. sad songs dont make a band emo. at all. Listen to rites of spring, moss icon, and sunny day real estate and lets see how similar they sound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 02:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

this article is an abomination. There is a difference from emo and emotional. Emo was a name for a style of hardcore punk and later for a style of indie rock influenced by the 1st emo. This is alternative/punk pop. And because kids who claim to be emo listen to them, doesnt make them emo.I know "emo" kids who think Linkin Park, AFI, or Green Day are emo. Does that make them emo? Musically, no. The emo trend is a totally different thing from the actual music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 00:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"There is a difference from emo and emotional." Bullshit, Emo and Emotional are the same thing, Emo is just shortend version of it. You need to look up the terms. "And because kids who claim to be emo listen to them, doesnt make them emo.I know "emo" kids who think Linkin Park, AFI, or Green Day are emo. Does that make them emo? Musically, no," well that's correct outside of wikipedia at least. Inside of wikipedia, however, we use varifiable and reliable sourses. ""This is alternative/punk pop," read WP:OR.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 12:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is a rock band,their generes are simply rock,maybe punk,and stuff like that but the word emo is not a genere. and thats it.period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austynne (talk • contribs) 02:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is Pop-Rock. End of story. No one can post under me, for there is no more to argue. Have a nice day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.61.141 (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If I formed a band and said we are a jazz rock band and then proceeded to perform death metal, what kind of band am I in? 125.238.109.133 (talk) 01:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

ok this is serius bullshit i try to clean up wikipedia by deleting emo fomr My chemical Romance's genres. i think we should be able to vote on whether or not MCR is emo. but as long as music reviewers contiue to call MCR emo, then there will always be emo in there genres. if the rolling stone or all music guide said that miley cyrus is hardcore punk, then u could put Hardcore Punk in her genres, even though we all know that she is not hardcore punk. i dont really care what genre Wikipedia says that MCR is i know that they never were emo and that they will never be emo. i personly think that they should be considered GOTH PUNK i know its not a real music genre but it sums up MCR pretty well, someone should put GOTH PUNK under therer genres, i have read articles in kerrang! or somethign that refered to them as Goth Punk-tq6993 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tq6993 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing well sourced info is not 'cleaning up', it's disruptive. Wikipedia is not a democracy so we dont vote, decisions are made by consensus only. We don't add personal opinions to articles, wikipedia is a collection of info from reliable sources and in this case there are many varied sources to back up the info. Emo is whatever reliable sources say it is. The section Musical style and influences is a detailed account of their style of music, the infobox is an accurate summary of that. --neon white talk 03:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

What the fuck? personal opinions? ok first we need to think about what defines a bands genre, ik think the band mostly since THEY MAKE THE FUCKING MUSIC. also the fans, i think it is safe to say that if a musical artist says that they are not a cetain genre then they shouldnt be fucking classified as that genre. this whole thing is retarded. everybody knows that MCR is not emo, the only reason that emo is under their genres s becuase of retarded dipshit music reviews, and people who call MCr emo when all they know about emo is that most emo songs are about sad things. i have read an article calling MCR goth punk, if i could remember where i read i would put goth punk up there immediatley. i think we should be fair to people on both sides of the argumet and put Disputed Subgenres under there. also u fucking retarded ass-wipe i know that wikipedia iss not a democracy, i was just stating that a air way to determine this is to vote on. one last thing fuck off and die. Tq6993 (talk) 06:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Bands do not write articles about themselves (in fact, most couldn't care less about being pidgeon holed into specific genres) and neither do the fans. Music journalists define genres and that is why they are the correct sources to use. They are reliable second party sources and this is what wikipedia is based upon. It reflects the commonly held viewpoint backed up by sources. It's doesn't represent views of individual editors. 'Emo' is cited in major newspapers and magazines such as Rolling Stone, possibly the most respected music publication available. There is no evidence of any dispute. --neon white talk 17:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

well i could care less what u say im done with this argument. im right and you are very very wrong, the argument is that MCR is emo, any true fan knows that MCR is not emo, i am a true fan and i know that My Chemical Romance is not emo, they never were emo, and that they never will be emo. so i win this argument i dont care what wikipedia says anymore i used to but now i couldnt care less. also there is no evidence of any dispute? wtf? scroll up!1 jesus that hwat this whole argument is abouT! how little u know about actual music is amusing, i dont care what genre u think MCR is. alos i wont be replying to u oanyone else anymore about this subject. also that last thing i said in my last post? i mean it. lolTq6993 (talk) 07:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me sir, but your "argument" is complete bullshit. You can't say that Wikipedia is wrong when Wikipedia is the one that makes the rules. Your argument seems to be solely based on personal opinion, one of the main things that Wikipedia avoids when it comes to sourcing claims. One last thing, I find it rather sad that you should take the decision of a genre of a band so personally, that you would wish someone dead.Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Where's everything?!

Look in the Archive box --Moraleh (talk) 20:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever deleted any of the information not from 2008. Like, i'm being serious, not sarcstic. It's so much easier to find things now. Thanks so much! =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Some Lockage Is Needed, Methinks

Guys, this REALLY needs to be locked Titan50 (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC) Yeah it does people don't need to be coming on here constintly messing it up and putting crap thats not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austynne (talk • contribs) 02:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this talk page should be locked, unfortunately, that's not possible. Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Screamo

I was told that before they went mainstream, MCR were a "screamo band". My friend, who apparently owns all of their albums, gave me this piece of information after jokingly stating "Screamo to emo!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.37.23 (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC) they were a post-hardcore band Titan50 (talk) 11:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, clearly that's a false statement because MCR has never been emo. I don't think they're planning on ever becoming emo either because the band has stated that they think emo is "fucking garbage" (from an interview on FUSE TV).

I think the best classification for there original sound prior to signing with Warner would probably be simply indie rock. --neonwhite user page talk 13:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

get this section out of here. MCR's not screamo! EVER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.217.129 (talk) 19:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Listen to Silverstein. Listen to MCR. Yool get it. --SKiPMacD (talk) 16:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I will get that there is nothing similar about the two bands. Silverstein is screamo. And My Chemical Romance is not screamo OR emo. =) I love MCR and will stand by their side for the rest of my life that they are not emo. _♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.129.52 (talk) 01:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC) you all are wrong because silverstien is post-hardcore not screamo, wow i didn't know that wikipedia is full of such stupid and ignorant people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.108.147.195 (talk) 04:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

What the hell?my chemical romance are not 'screamo'!the only time gerard ever screamed was on 'i'm not okay(i promise)',and that was barely a scream.on last.fm,however 'screamo',is one of the most popular tags for mcr.what the fuck??? silverstein are not what i'd consider screamo,when it comes to screamo i got one word:saetia

"the only time gerard ever screamed was on 'i'm not okay(i promise)',and that was barely a scream." Uh, listen to their first album. Between Gerard and Frank (Frank mainly), there's a good share of screaming. Not exactly screamo, maybe the watered-down (i guess "Second Wave") "screamo" like Hawthorne Heights (not really screamo) or The Used (again, not screamo.)Cryotoguy (talk) 04:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed genres for the infobox

This needs looking at as it's completely irregular and doesn't comply with the manual of style or policy. The list should be of genre's that they have been called in verifiable sources, as far as i can see there is no cited dispute so the infobox contains original research by editors. So i propose that well sourced genres should be add : -

Pop punk based on [1] Emo based on [2][3]

feel free to add some more but i think it's best limited to four or five. In the end it needs simply to relate what the verified sources say and ignore personal opinion to comply with WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:OR --neonwhite user page talk 23:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Put down Pop Punk/Alternative/Post-Hardcore. --SKiPMacD (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

if you put down alternative rock,i think everyone will be happy.anyone else will just be controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvanarox55 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

i think we should put disputed subgenres under it or put GOTH PUNK under there genres, i have read articles/interviews/reviews that have called My Chemical Romance GOTH PUNK. Tq6993 (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Pop punk.

This genre sums MCR up perfectly, Plus it ends all this "Emo" "Alternative" "Hardcore" nonsense

It's already been done on FOB's page so why not here?

I actually agree with you. However some... placed back the "EMO" in the page. FOB and MCR, in my opinion are both Punk Rock, not emo. ~antonotaku~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonotaku (talk • contribs) 13:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

They are a Pop band after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

They are not pop. Lets jus keep it where it is. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 18:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't they describe themselves as "Vile and dangerous POP"? Plus the fact they play pop music.

- Um they are pop, I'm afraid; generic song structure and simple chord progressions, coupled with the fact they are quite frequently played on the radio (as pop is a mere reference to popular music). In any case I think the citation to the website describing them as 'post-hardcore' should be removed. The website is vague in nature and seems to have just listed genres at any whim. Anyone who knows anything about the genre of post-hardcore knows that MCR certainly aren't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.150.162 (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

In an interview by NME, Gerard Way states that they are not emo, they are "violent and aggressive pop." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo. They are classified as rock, alternative rock, punk rock, etc.. depending on what song or album youre looking at. They have stated many times that they are not emo, never have, and never will be, no matter what journalists and newspapers say. So could someone take out the 'emo' in the genre [in the infobox]. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What???? Pop Punk??? They don't sound anything like FOB.....I remember in that interview he sayd that they'r a rock band...and some times..only some songs are "violent, agressive or dangerous pop". As for pop punk as main genre it is absolutely not! You should refer it but not as a main genre. --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this page biased?

It seems like it is written entirely by obsessive fans or "Haters". Plus loads of people in the discussion section, seem to professes to being massive fans...

I think teenage girls and angry metalheads, should leave the editing to non-biased people like myself.

Plus "Alternative rock" is suited to not dealing with the style of music MCR play. The whole genre thing should be left to people who have knowledge on the subject, not Obsessive fans.

1 vote for "Pop Punk" here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.200.3 (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Err, I don't think they sound like Fall Out Boy/All Time Low. 99.162.100.253 (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I dont have any real problems with the POV of the page perhaps you can state some parts you feel are a problem and the genre thing should be left to verifiable sources. I too disagree with 'Alternative rock', there is no citation for it. --neonwhite user page talk 01:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that you should include here what you think may be biased and we can look at it. There also is no original research here on Wikipedia. Saying you have knowledge of the subject isn't good enough to be able to include something in an article. There needs to be sources. I have went through the sources already provided in the genre section and have found allmusic lists them as alternative rock. There is also a definition of the genre provided on the website here.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic has never been considered the most reliable source for this kind of thing and it does contradict their description. 'they are all tied together since they existed outside of the mainstream' doesnt desribe this band' The amount of sources available and their chart success suggests a mainstream band. --neonwhite user page talk 02:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It says "they existed outside of the mainstream". They weren't always mainstream. Their first album was independent and pretty underground.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 03:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That is true. --neonwhite user page talk 16:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it is very biased. Look at this:

My Chemical Romance's music has been described by the media as "pop punk", "alternative rock", "post-hardcore", emo, and "punk revival". The band themselves described their music as simply "rock" or "violent, dangerous pop" on their official website, as well as rejecting the term "emo" to describe their style. Although a source quotes frontman Gerard Way stating that they are "What-else-ya-got-emo", Way has recently stated in an interview that they were never emo, as he says emo is "a pile of shit."

How many references do you need every time the word "emo" is mentioned? Pasta of Muppets (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Whilst common sense applies, there is no limit to the amount of references allowed for any given piece of information. I fail to see why you think this passage is biased in any way. Can you elaborate? --neon white talk 01:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's obvious, isn't it? This band, along with Fall Out Boy and Panic at the Disco are probably the most well known bands related to the controversy of the "emo" genre. Because it's so hotly "debated" ("debate" is a stretch) as to if these bands are "emo" or not, it seems that any mention of the word "emo" must be tagged with numerous sources, just to prove one party of the "debate" that they are blatantly wrong. Even Adolf Hitler's page has less sources per paragraph, yet he is far more debatable than a rock band. Pasta of Muppets (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The amount of sources doesnt change the neutrality of an article or passage. The fact is there is no controversy that can be sourced maybe amongst a few label obsessed idiot teen fans with little better to do but they arent important enough to matter. --neon white talk 17:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I can see your point, actually, on 'overloading' citations to make it appear one POV is more previalant than another. I'm going to check out policy on this. --neon white talk 14:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Policy or not I think it should only be reduced to one citation at least in the infobox. To me it almost seems like beating a dead horse. It's sourced by a reliable source that their music is considered emo and by adding more sources for one genre I don't think it makes it more definitive. I think the number definitely should be reduced. I don't think it looks good to have tons of citations on one genre.  Orfen  ^T • _C 17:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

We dont really need any citations in the infobox as it is supposedly a summary of the 'styles' section which contains the relevant sources. I think the above editor was questioning whether the multiple listed sources in that ection add weight to that genre over others. I know they are there to try and stop the vandalism (unsuccessfully in most cases). Potentially it may came under Wikipedia:NPOV#Article_structure. --neon white talk 18:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think any amount of citations will stop people from changing or removing the genre. I think that this may fall under the second bullet though of Wikipedia:NPOV#Article structure.  Orfen  ^T • _C 19:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

"Stay" song

THE OFFICAL NAME IS "SOMEONE OUT THERE" FANS STARTED REALIZING THIS BECAUSE GERARD WISPERED SOMEONE OUT THERE IN FRANKS EAR AND THEY PLAYED IT ON THE BLACK PARADE IS DEAD DVD

Criticism

I think that a large amount of information contained in the "criticism" section is unnecessary. I dont think its needed, as its more of speculation rather than factual information.--SilverOrion (talk) 12:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please provide some examples and then it can be discussed if it should be removed or not.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 23:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted some way that My Chem really doesn't take influence from Marylin Manson in the least bit. Their dark themes are based on The Misfits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SKiPMacD (talk • contribs) 16:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop changing the genres to personal opinions

Against the rules, dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze7755 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC) The march had far fewer people, i was there and there were at most 80 people and only about 20-25 after a few hours because of sabotage by /b/ and them lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.108.214 (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Absolutepunk.net

Is that page a valid source? I mean, can we trust in what they say? --Moraleh (talk) 23:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In all my experience with the website they are generally the first to release information and in my experience it has been right. They were the first source we had to say the title for the new DVD was The Black Parade is Dead! and that it is 2 DVDs and a CD. It also had which shows were filmed for the DVD. They also had information about The Black Parade before it came out. I believe they have connections to the label or the bands themselves. I'm pretty sure the information comes somewhere close to the band but I don't use the website regularily and a quick skim through the website and related Wikipedia article didn't show much results. It has been used in the past and from what I have seen the only things that fluctuate are the release dates which can always be pushed back.  Orfen  ^T • _C 00:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. They said MCR was going to release two new sigles, and if someone want to add that to the article, look at here --Moraleh (talk) 22:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that page is from last year and the last single they released was in July 2007. I think its a bit outdated since they are talking about a new album and stuff...If ya know what i mean. Thanks Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 22:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I also believe that was in reference to the "Mama" single which was rumored to be one of them but since the time has come and gone I'd disregard it. I believe there are other articles on other websites saying that "Mama" was to be a single and that Gerard was to direct the video but it must have not gotten past planning. I know Billboard.com still has the single listed that it has released in November.  Orfen  ^T • _C 23:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Emo, emo

Well, if someones think they are emo, well, it could be, and we have sources, but we don't need to fill the Background information box with too many sources. I'm gonna put 'em on the genres section. --Moraleh (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably a good idea, the infobox only needs be a summary of the article, usually it stops some 'genre fiddling' but it probably will have little effect in this case. --neonwhite user page talk 14:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday emo wasn't even in the info box..but it seems emos is back there today.....I don't think tha MCR are emo at all...they surely have emo influences but no emo.....at all! Still there are sources (biased sources like MTv) who call them emo......Whell in my though..alternative rock and post hardcore describe well their music now and before....you should refer emo in the article but not as a main genre of My Chem........Just said....--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not one editor's personal opinion. They are widely considered an emo band, this is all that matters. --neonwhite user page talk 16:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You know and we both know that they are often called emo as a kind of slang and not a a musical genre sometimes by the ones o hate them.....as for genre I call them emo sometimes...so if we are only anda only refering to the musical genre that was formed from the wave of post-hardcore than I totaly agree that is one of their genres..so you are right, wikipedia is based on verifiability...! --Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 13:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to say that I am a very very big fan of the band, I really love their music and style...and even I can see emo influences on them....and sometimes I say they have more emo songs...only musically speaking...and there is also a lot of misjudgement an wrong ideas about what emo really is.--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

yes generally by unimformed editors of this article but not by music journalists who define genres. --79.68.104.75 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The emo genre in the box in the top-right on the page needs to be taken down. They're NOT emo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia doesn't claim to be the truth. --neon white talk 15:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Emo? wtf is wrong with being labeled as emo? all those "suicidal-melodramatic teenage kids" is just some shitty stereotype by the mainstream, emo is WAY BETTER than how the media and the internet portrays them, now sure they reject that term, but the "emo" that the people know about is a mislabeling of pop punk bands with a more vengeful tone in their lyrics, and imo their isn't any problem with being labeled as emo.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.97.73 (talk) 10:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

im telling everyone that i will be deleting emo everytime i visit wikipedia, just like i have done with avril lavgine (she is not pop punk!) the band has said that the are not emo. we should respect the band and not classifie them as emo. i personally think they should be considered GOTH PUNK.-Tq6993 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tq6993 (talk • contribs) 22:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

And your talk page is warning you that you will be blocked from editing if you do. Wikipedia is not a fan page and is not based on your, or anyone elses, personal opinions. It's based on verifiable sources. This info is widely sourced in highly reliable sources. --neon white talk 23:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

About 'Goth Punk' cite it with a reliable third-party source and that will be fine. Landon1980 (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The sources that say that MCR are emo are not trustworthy

In most cases, when the band is referred to as emo, it is by an article which is targeted against them. They are using the word as an insult, not an actual description of their genre. And they themselves reject the term "emo". And as a musical genre, they most certainly are not emo. Their lyrics are emoish and they dress to the emo style, but their music sounds more like a fusion of Power-Pop/Pop-Punk and Hard Rock. Most people who call them emo are not really aware of what emo is in the musical sense and judge it entirely by lyrics and dress style, which doesn't define the style of their music. You can say that they dress to match the emo style or anything like that, but as a musical genre they are far from emo. --PokeOnic (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter what they say, wikipedia is based on verifiable second and thrid party sources not personal opinion. Rolling Stone, MTV, NME and allmusicguide are just about the four biggest authorities on music. If they say they are emo then as far as wikipedia is concerned they are. --neonwhite user page talk 22:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think MTV, NME, or Rolling Stone can be called reliable sources. And allmusicguide has a bad habit of mixing up music genres anyway. I mean, I think the band would know what they're own style of music is. I think that if they don't want to be called emo it's not our place to decide they're music for them, what better source than the band it's self. Besides, alot of bands that aren't emo are called emo, Underoath for example.Emo777 (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, My Chemical Romances' band members would be able to say whether they are emo, which they always say theyre not, and they would know their own genre!

Artists' interviews cannot be considered reliable; MTV, NME, Rolling Stone and allmusic.com, instead, are indipendent sources and thisfor trustworthy. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 12:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bands are definitely not the authorities on their own music because a lot of time the band itself may not understand what makes a certain genre. If you let the band decide what their genre is, then Avril Lavigne and Good Charlotte would both be punk. Tithonfury (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I know that allmuisc isn't that reliable. Besides, those sources only use other peoples opinions. Besides, just because a band dresses like emo and they're lyrics are similar dosen't make them emo. I mean, they still like certain elements of emo music.Emo777 (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

MTV, NME, Rolling Stone, and, although I hate to say it, Allmusic.com are considered reliable as far as wikipedia is concerned. If you don't like the reliability of a source I think that WP:RSN is the place to take it up.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So, we've established that the four biggest sources used on wikipedia have unanimously voted My Chemical Romance as emo, then why is the genre not in the infobox? James25402 (talk) 01:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WesleyDodds undid the revision, now emo genre is there back. {Sirabder87}^{Static age} 16:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

As has been requested, I'm bringing the matter back to the talk page here. I relise there seems to be a consensus to note that the band is Emo, however there have been several discussions whereby it's been determined that the band is not. My largest area of concern is people saying "the reference says so". Well, as I pointed out to Neon White, which one? And have any of you actually read it? The only one I could find that does call them emo is AMG, which is disgustingly inaccurate and all over the place (Until a little while ago, they listed Kenny Rodgers as punk, pop and not country... sure, let's put that on Wikipedia). Rolling Stone says there are similarities to a sub-sect of punk, and says it's similar in ways to emo. That's different o saying they are emo. That's like saying Prince Phillip is the Queen because he's around her all the time. The band's profile/page on NME doesn't cite any musical styles at all Probably because they have the better sense than to try to pigeon hole musical artists. Several newspaper articles on the web do refer to the band as Emo, but look carefully at the writer of the article. Is the person who wrote the article a music reviewer? Or are they covering the tabloid headline about Hannah Bond? Tabloid writers will write whatever they want to make the story sound as lush and juicy as possible in order to prompt more purchases. I can't find one resource that would be considered to be "reliable" call the band Emo, with the exception of AMG, but seriously, their reputation is vastly overrated based on horrendous and erroneous inaccuracies and fallacies. --rm 'w avu 09:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

They are all listed below. "the reference says so" is essentially the verifiability policy. --neon white talk 16:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Sister To Sleep

This is just a question of interest. My Chemical Romance have a demo, or a live song, called Sister To Sleep which I have downloaded, although I can't find its original source or any information on the song itself. Is this song a cover, or is it just an unreleased demo? Someone please shed some light. Revenge24 (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It was written for the freddy vs. jason soundtrack around the time of the movies. icelandic hurricane #12_(talk) 02:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes..it's a live performance, that song whas to be in the freddy v.s jason soundtrack....I´ts a good song I loved if they would make a studio version...but yoknow --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Mmm yeah it'd be good if they re-released it or something. Revenge24 (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It is an unreleased live song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebluekazoo (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Its only ever been played once, can be found on the soundtrack as others have said, and websites that have lyrics have this song and its lyrics under the 'other songs' title, e.g.: plyrics.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it has been played twice. I can't say the dates or where, because I have a horrible memory, but I have both live versions played, and the lyrics change, but they are basically the same song, same chorus. Thebluekazoo (talk) 22:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Image???

We need an image of the band in this page.....please is there someone that has a free image of the band to put here..?--Horror Punk Ed22 (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

There's now an image up. It's an alright one. The band has better. But, thanks to whoever posted it! ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 15:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Validity of the sources on emo

Taking another look through the sources of the emo genre I would like to know everyones opinions on them. The first source at Rolling Stone says "Scary-sad punk that lives up to emo's unspoken promise" and I'm not sure if that is necessarily calling them emo because it goes on to say "...their music is a weirdly catchy hybrid of goth, glam, metal and punk." which doesn't list emo. The second source is the allmusic source which clearly lists them as emo I'd say it is valid. The third source it says use the search engine but when I try to use it then it says I do not have permission. Could anyone find a specific article on Shoutmouth calling them emo? The fourth source is an MTV source that says they were emo before Three Cheers but not any longer. Are we looking to include every genre in the box they once were or their current genres? The fifth source the MTV source the only mention of emo is not by a professional writer but by Steve, leader of MCRmy, the official MCR street team. It says "My Chemical Romance are above and beyond the best band to come out of the punk/emo/post-hardcore scene." While I think the allmusic source is valid I am not sure about the others and would like opinions on the other sources.  Orfen  ^T • _C 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo. They are classified as rock, alternative rock, punk rock, etc.. depending on what song or album youre looking at. They have stated many times that they are not emo, never have, and never will be, no matter what journalists and newspapers say. So could someone take out the 'emo' in the genre [in the infobox]. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frana27 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not your personal opinion. --neon white talk 15:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Genres are usually include to represent the entire bands catalogue. I actually was under the impression that it was the Rolling Stone bio [4] that was cited in this article which is pretty unambiguous about it. "In the new millennium My Chemical Romance brought the angsty punk sub-genre known as "emo" to the mainstream masses." "MCR became the Top Ten's first emo superheroes within three years of forming." etc. I suggest this replaces the current source. There are also many other sources that aren't included in the article such as NME who refer to the them as such in countless articles (search on their site) and Village Voice [5], Daily Mail [6]. I dont think the allmusicguide source mentions it at all. --neon white talk 23:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah the allmusic source has it listed in their genre box. I agree though to use those sources instead. I think we should use an NME, allmusic, and perhaps Village Voice. I think the Daily Mail thing is a whole other thing by itself. While it calls them emo I'd call it more criticism so I think we should keep that in the criticism section or another appropriate section. It seems more of a direct criticism of the band and not really them researching the band's music they play. I think we should look to use more reviews of the music than articles because then we may be running into people talking about their clothing style and the way they present themselves rather than the music which is what we want to cover.  Orfen  ^T • _C 02:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Also I would like to add that we should use the Rolling Stone source you provided as well.  Orfen  ^T • _C 02:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think that the 'genre boxes' at AMG are that verfiable, there's no real indication as to how they are done, if they are simple arbitrary or if there is any editorial oversight, however i do believe the reviews and bios are considered reliable. Considering there are already enough sources this is probably the least verfiable. I think the Daily Mail and, in fact, pretty much all the UK newspapers which have covered similar stories (i'll list them below) is good proof that the media consider them to be emo. But the best source is Rolling Stone. --neon white talk 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• The Independent - "Emo (which is short for emotional) music, is described as "punk with emotion", and has been made popular by bands like My Chemical Romance, whose album The Black Parade topped the charts."[7]
• The Guardian - "...My Chemical Romance, the emo band who reconditioned poppy gothic rock for the 21st century..." [8]
• The Observer - "...US pop-punk emo bands such as My Chemical Romance..." [9]
• BBC = "..emo superstars My Chemical Romance..." [10]
• The Times = "...while accusing the American emo band My Chemical Romance of encouraging suicide..." [11]

--neon white talk 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I should point out, as I have before, that each of these articles (except the observer) is not written by a music reviewer and the opinion of someone who's unqualifed should be taken with a grain of salt. They're written by tabloid writers. The Guardian writer hasnt written a music article in 15 years and managed to get it through to the music section because basically, she decided to have a whinge about the fashions of emo. There's near nothing about the music, other than reminiscing about Iggy Pop in his heyday. Can we start being rational about the assertions of style based on the reliability of the actual article writers? Editors don't care, they'll let whatever in, and if the article writer is ill-informed (as it seems many of these are), they'll call them emo. To throw a new chicken to the pen, I'll say that it should be noted in the article about the common misconception. I mean, calling these guys emo is like calling Mozart's compositions Baroque music (or, to be more abstact and left of centre, to call Arcangelo Corelli's music Classical music). The moment you do that, you'll have a thousand classical music critics screaming at you. For the same reason, you can't call a band what they aren't. Call a spade a spade, sure, but don't call it a club. --rm 'w avu 10:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter who wrote them, they were all published in verifiable sources, that's all we need to know. None of those sources are tabloids, The Times is a broadsheet, i believe, and the Observer and Guardian berliners. It is not up to us to pick and choose what sources we like and don't like based on our personal views about the sources or the journalists who wrote them. Wikiepdia reflects the mainstream common view. Articles should be edited from a purely objective viewpoint with no prior conceptions using the verifiable sources available. There is no evidence of any common misconception, that seems like your personal view and nothing else, as far as wikipedia is concerned if it comes from reliable sources it's fact. If enough reliable sources considered mozart to be part of the baroque movement then that would be permissable too. --neon white talk 16:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe what the user means by noting the common misconception is saying how MCR rejects the term emo which is already stated in the musical styles section further down in the article. Also I'm pretty sure that you'd be able to find sources of people rejecting that MCR is emo. If the previous discussions have been any evidence the term is disputed and I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find some sources about it. So if you want to do it I'm sure there wouldn't be a problem with perhaps expanding the appropriate section if you find reliable sources.  Orfen  ^T • _C 04:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Music genres are purely media defined concepts, so to hold the opinion that they are a wrong or misconceived based on one's individual view is absurd. I don't think you'd find any reliable sources, people dont usually write what bands arent. --neon white talk 15:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, how is this even up for debate? The emo sources meet the criteria of WP:RS and that is all that matters, none of our opinions matter. Landon1980 (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the debate is firmly over. Maybe we need a FAQ listing the multiple sourcess? --neon white talk 17:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance is not emo or Post-Hardcore

They are neither. listen to actual bands of the genres; Funeral Diner-Emo, Alesana-Post-Hardcore They are Alternative Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Postcore (talk • contribs) 03:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that person above :) and for the million and third fucking time, they're not emo.

They are sourced as emo so it stays in the infobox. Your opinion isn't worth anything as far as wikipedia is concerened. It prefers sources over opinion. Read WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 13:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not easy finding sources that say they're not emo. It's such a vague genre that if any band dresses even simular to what people say emos dress like then they call that band emo rock. MCR are not emo, emo rock is full of heavy guitar styles and screaming, MCR are just alternative or punk rock, not emo. For example, i've found websites that said evenescence are emo, if you've ever heard them their not even close, same with this band.Emo777 (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

First off, Emo is punk or rather a subgenre of punk. Emo stands for Emotional Hardcore Punk Rock. As for finding sources that say they are not emo, it wouldn't make any difference if you did. In all honesty I do not believe they are emo but my opinion doesn't matter. Wikipedia wants sources, not user opinion. As for Evanescence, I havn't seen any sources that refer to them as emo. If you have them add it to their article.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 22:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that Emo is a subgerne of punk rock, but it's not completely punk. Also, just because you see websites that people post saying a band is a type of genre dosen't make them so, cause if you've ever heard of evanescence you'd know that they're not emo. Lastly, I know that I know a source to say that MCR is not emo, I've never toached the info. box, that was someone else who kept taking it out. Emo777 (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

If sources say they are, then they are. Regardless this is not the page to discuss it. Try Talk:Evanescence. --neon white talk 16:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that Evaneescence is not emo on the count of I listen to their music. Same with MCR. However MCR has been called emo by varifiable and reliable sources, so as far as wikipedia is concerned the are emo just as much as they are any other genre that can be sourced. This doesn't mean I agree with it. They are just policy and guidline. Not every thing on wikipedia is true because truth is not needed for inclusion. Only a source is.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 18:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

However if reliable sources can be found that say they aren't and reliable sources can be found saying they are, doesn't that make the genre disputed? That should at least be covered in the appropriate section if reliable sources can be found. I am not trying to say take emo out, I'm just saying that if reliable sources are found then they should be covered. If the genre is disputed that is something important to note on Wikipedia. It shouldn't make it seem as if there is consensus over the whole music community that it is agreed upon that they are emo if sources are found saying they are not.  Orfen  ^T • _C 20:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

"However if reliable sources can be found that say they aren't and reliable sources can be found saying they are, doesn't that make the genre disputed? That should at least be covered in the appropriate section if reliable sources can be found," I can agree with this at least but it should be covered in the appropriate section which would be style.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe it is covered. --neon white talk 17:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It is covered that the band rejects the term emo. I was saying that if sources could be found saying the genre is disputed between reliable sources then it should be mentioned. Yes, it should be mentioned in the style section if reliable sources were found.  Orfen  ^T • _C 04:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

If enough sources could be found disputing My Chemical Romance being an emo band, it could definitely be listed as disputed, however, based on the amount of sources out there saying otherwise, you would need A LOT of sources for this in order to dispute it. James25402 (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey I am sorry I have mentioned this once before and I don't intend to be flaming or anything. But the source that wikipedia is using for this MCR article is really quite laughable. Firstly the site is entitled 'allmusic', and reeks of subjectivity:

"My Chemical Romance rose from the East Coast underground to the forefront of modern rock talent during the mid-2000s...My Chemical Romance has roots in catastrophe, as frontman Gerard Way decided to form the band after watching New York's Twin Towers collapse on September 11th, 2001..." - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:mw98b5p4psq4

It writes the article in a worryingly subjective fashion, it sounds like a low level feature article, running straight into the controversial and seemingly unecessary.

It proceeds to get worse (this is actually the humorous and/or laughable section):

"Genre: Rock

Styles: Punk Revival, Post-Hardcore, Punk-Pop, Alternative Pop/ Rock, Emo

Moods: Energetic, Intense, Rousing, Reflective, Gritty, Fiery, Aggressive, Tense/Anxious, Cathartic, Rambunctious, Rowdy, Dramatic, Fractured, Earnest, Suffocating, Confrontational, Acerbic, Manic, Cynical/ Sarcastic"

It lists only ONE genre "Rock". It then states the 'style' (a subjective and highly vague term), which is where the 'emo' and 'post-hardcore' comes in. It doesn't state 'sub-genre' all though it is so vague it could be interpreted that way.

It then lists the 'moods'. Now I find this quite ridicolous, have you ever seen anyone try to list the moods of music before? How would one describe the moods of artists like Amadeus Mozart, Liszt or Beethoven. It's ridicolous, music is how the listener perceives it and many different moods may be associated with it. Some of them don't even border on moods, I've never been in a suffocating mood, nor have I ever been in the mood of 'fractured'.

Now whilst I am not saying that they aren't these genres (all though I do have my own oppinions). This site sure as hell shouldn't have a say. I personally think that this reference is uncitable. I mean for the love of GOD, why this half-baked website? I'm sure there are millions of properly developed websites or the like which call them 'emo'. The article seems like it was constructed in a rush. The sub-section which this is listed in seems a bit superfolous in any case; a bit more than a paragraph which adds very little objectivity - more so peoples oppinions.

I just felt this should be discussed, as elsewhere such pathetic sources wouldn't be used on wikipedia.

--58.84.142.186 (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic (formerly All Music Guide) is a highly respected and verifiable source produced by industry professionals. --neon white talk 17:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

--- Hmmm upon reading that I can hardly press it any further. But perhaps more than ONE source could used for the genre's? I just find it a quite laughable listing the moods of a band, not to mention "post-hardcore" labelling. It should really be taken with a grain of salt. --58.84.131.91 (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

MCR's Picture

The first picture on the article looked better befiore it was changed to the HMV one, I think. Just my views, thanks! 81.151.222.185 (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Protection

The page is currently protected because of a wild internet rumor about the death on one of the band's members. At this point there appear to be no reliable sources confirming the death. It appears to be just as likely, if not more so, that this whole thing is some sort of joke/hoax. Until/unless there is reliable confirmation, it is not appropriate to place any sort of mention on the page, and thus the protection. Please see here for the ongoing discussions and attempts to verify the situation one way or another. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a serious over-reaction to me. There hasn't been any major vandalism, in fact only one single edit in relation to it in the last week. --neon white talk 00:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

One edit on this page. One edit on each of several other MCR pages, and a slew of edits on Way's own page. On the other periferal pages, I gave them 48 hour protections each. As for this one, that was Swatjester's call as to protection length. If you asked him on his talk page, you might be able to persuade him to unprotect this one, as I think that the hoax attack is mostly over. I suspect that Way's own page will need to remain protected for another day or two, though. And the ones that I protected will expire on their own sometime tomorrow. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That hoax has been around for several years and there has never been significant edits based on it. Far better to deal with individual editors (we are really talking about one SPA editor here Lordsuthers) and individual articles than to protect handfulls of pages some of which have no need to be protected. It's pretty irregular. --neon white talk 21:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Please make the Genres clearer

Hi! I just to make a request. Please change the 'Emo' into something like 'Disputed Genres'. Why? According to the 'Criticism' section of the article, the frontman, Gerard Way, said that Emo is a pile of S***. He is saying that they are not Emo. Whilst there are journalists classifying MCR as Emo. There are some fans enraged because the Emo is on the infobox. Plus the band classifies itself as Rock. I personally see that 'Disputed Genres' is more appropriate. Linking the 'Disputed Genres' to the Musical Style section would be appropriate. This will also show the other genres linked to the band. Antonotaku (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Antonotaku

As far as i know all the genres are cited in multiple sources (see the section of Musical Style and the discussions above). The band's opinion is not relevant, only second and third party sources are of note. There is no evidence of any such dispute. Please note also that wikipedia is not censored. --neon white talk 18:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh the fact that Gerard Way states that Emo is a pile of S*** is already an argument. That may mean that he is disputing it. My friend, who is a hard-core MCR fan does not like the recent change. He also want that it should 'Disputed Genres' should be placed. Some fans see the 'Emo' thing as a vandal by the band's critics. I also don't think that doing it is censoring. I think that would bring more clarity. Antonotaku (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Antonotaku

He isnt a verifiable second or third party source, regardless reporting of his opinion is included in the article. As i have said there is no evidence of a dispute, the reliable sources are multiple and quite clear, there is no problem with clarity in the article and unless your friend is a known expert in the musical field then his or her opinion is not important. See WP:VANDALISM for an explaination on what vandalism is and what it is not. It certainly is not anything you disagree with. This is being based on a large amount of reliable sources. it is a POV that is both considerable and verifiable. --neon white talk 23:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I found the citation of Gerard's statement about his band's genre it is on the Musical Style section. "....as well as rejecting the term "emo"...". I got your point about the censoring, however I think that it should be "emo (Disputed by Gerard Way)". Is that okay?

No, his view still is not relevant. --neon white talk 15:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

His view is not entirely irrelevant, but here it does seem to be against the consensus of suitable references, and there's obvious issues about his objectivity on this. If I were being unkind, I might also observe that the two claims weren't entirely inconsistent, either... Alai (talk) 17:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd count his view as a non-independent primary source. It's ok to include in the article because it can be source but isn't relevant in an article summary. --neon white talk 23:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

What if we found a reliable 3 party source that said they're genre was disputed? Then could we list them as Rock (disputed subgenres) or something? I don't have a source that says that or anything, but if we could find one could we list them as disputed subgenres?Emo777 (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It would still likely be a fringe view that could be mentioned but wouldnt belong in a summary. --neon white talk 14:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

What if we kept Emo up their but instead put Emo(disputed)? Would that work out? Emo777 (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No, we can't invent that it is disputed because we don't agree with the sources. --neon white talk 22:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bullets

• I've heard that Frank Iero only plays guitar on a few tracks on I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love. Does anybody which songs they are? FallenWings47 21:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

He plays on Demolition Lovers and Early Sunsets Over Monroeville. Every My Chemical Romance fan should know that. They mention that many times in Life On Thr Murder Scene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.179.24 (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Well, I knew about "Early Sunsets", I just wasn't sure on the other one. In the booklet of the limited edition of The Black Parade, Ray Toro states he plays bass on a handful of songs (one being, "Cancer") but does anybody know any others? FallenWings47 18:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually most of the songs on Bullets have a second guitar added in by Ray, Frank does not explicitly tell us which two tracks he played, but he did confirm he played for Early Sunsets Over Munroeville on Life On The Murder Scene. Demolition Lovers however is speculated to be the other song he played on.Blkeddie! (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Tour Section

I think that the "Tours" section needs some work. Some of the larger tours need to be expanded a little, and some of the smaller tours (partucularly Warped Tour '05) probably don't need to be there. Rwiggum (^Talk/_Contrib) 13:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Where did they get their name from?

I heard it was from Ecstasy: Three Tales of Chemical Romance, is that true? Anxietycello (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah if i remember on the Life on the murder scene DVD it was mikey who got it. Jakisbak (talk) 20:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

and you remember well..Thats absolutely true..Mikey got the name! --Horror Punk Ed (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

THE BLACK PARADE IS DEAD

they latter made a dvd called the Black Parade is EMO which came out July 1, 1989 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sk8cake (talk • contribs) 16:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes they did, and it is in there...Jakisbak (talk) 10:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)