Talk:Tupac Shakur

fake?

if i went to dance school, jazz school and was a backup dancer for the digital underground, i would NOT be considered a "gangsta". if i rapped about the "humpty hump" and "tie the knot", i would not be called a "thug". why is there no mention of tupac being a fake thug?

Influences

OLOL Didn't 2Pac have a lot of influences? How come none of his influences are on the article. He had influences. KRS-One, Rakim, LL Cool J to name a few. Can somebody please tell me why there are no influences on the article? STAY BLACK ! .. Well in your case STAY WHITE ! PCE THUUGGIN -- THUG LIFE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.169.29.138 (talk) 15:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Myspace.com/Rhynozmusic31 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.239.211 (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Kool G rap was one of 2pac's main influences I know that much

I don't think Rakim is one of them. A correct list would be KRS One, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Public Enemny, Whodini, Melly Mell, LL, Mr. Magic, FLASH, Grandmaster Caz, and Salt N' Peppa to name a few. He mentions some of these people and or songs they did (like Push it by Salt Peppa) on the song Old Skool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.230.19.191 (talk) 05:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Good question, go to Allmuis.com and look up 2Pac I think they have a list of some of his influences

Rakim is listed on allmusic.com as an influence to 2pac. Also, in the song "Old School" Tupac says "Eric B. & Rakim was, the shit to me ...", and at the end of the song he says "I came through the door, said it before / That was the SHIT!" a clear reference to Eric B. & Rakim's classic track "Eric B. Is President."

This article should replace all instances of "african american" with "black." Tupac didn't use the phrase african american to describe his work; it's shameful to use a phrase the deceased didn't like to describe his influences.

Biggie

Include The Notrious BIG as a an associated act since Tupac is under Biggie's Associated acts —Preceding talk • contribs) 22:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Questionable Content

Can someone varify the line "Some of his ashes were later mixed with cannabis and smoked by members of Outlawz.[46]" ?

Yes. Somebody please verify this. In the referenced article it states there was an ash scattering ceremony, but nothing about smoking some of the ashes with cannabis. [47] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.142.140 (talk) 23:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This is true. I've heard it from many sources. Part of the ashes were given to the Outlawz to smoke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.24.7 (talk) 16:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Frankee Confusion

Um, i think there should be information disambiguating the connection between 2pac and Frankee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.182.58 (talk) 09:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Top 10 Billboard Singles

-How come a alot of the songs in the list of Top 10 Billboard Singles are not said to be top 10 singles in the discography? If I don't get an answer about this in the next few days it needs to be changed. Duder999 (talk) 20:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

bianca x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.162.86 (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

how come the sentence referring to tupac as the greatest rapper ever isnt in there anymore? someone should put it back. someone edited BIG and said that hes the best rapper ever, change it back to #3 on BIGs article. i know that that isnt true about BIG but he was stil an excellent rapper.( june 9 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nellsb (talk • contribs) 09:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Phonetic Pronunciation

I think we should incude a phonetic pronunciation in the opening line of the article. I have heard enough of the media refering to him as "Two-Pack." This is a page that script writers might actually check before programming the teleprompter if they are unsure of how to inform the Brokaws and O'Reilys how to pronounce the names of the icons of today's young people. -Wakamusha (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Go back through the page history to find the IPA phonetic pronunciation, which we previously included, but which was unceremoniously stripped by someone who thought it was unimportant. SqlPac (talk) 03:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Origin vs. Birthplace

Can someone please explain to me the difference between origin and birthplace? As it stands now, he has one birthplace (New York) and two origins, which are, conveniently, 3000 miles from one another (in CA and MD). I feel as though something here is wrong. Tiger Khan (talk) 02:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

There was a discussion about origin versus birthplace before. The arguments were basically these:

• He was verifiably born in NYC (although there was argument as to where, I believe it was verified that he was actually born in Manhattan - most likely in Harlem, but raised in Brooklyn until the family moved). This established his birthplace as NYC.
• The arguments about origin were largely focused on where his professional career started. I'm not aware of anything indicating his professional career beginning in MD, though he went to school there for years; apparently someone else thinks differently. If whatever he did in high school in MD counts as part of his "professional career", then I'm not sure how his work in the acting troupe in NYC at a very young age was discounted.
• There were also arguments indicating he "claimed" Los Angeles, and therefore L.A. should be listed as his origin. IIRC these arguments were dismantled fairly quickly.
• AFAIK his professional career began in Oakland, CA, when he started out as a backup dancer for Digital Underground. If origin relates to the origin of his professional career, then it should probably be indicated as Oakland, CA. I would also recommend changing the "origin" label to something more descriptive that indicates it's a "professional origin" as opposed to the ambiguous "origin".

As it stands now the origin appears to be a shortlist of places he happened to live at during various periods of his life. SqlPac (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm going to remove Baltimore if it hasn't been done already. Tiger Khan (talk) 13:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

In Marin City...I bumped into...Grag Jacobs aka Shock G and he hooked me up with Didgital Underground -Pac (pretty much puts this one to rest). -Wakamusha (talk) 01:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It still doesn't define "origin". If "origin" is defined by the start of the professional career, this quote indicates that the start of the professional career is defined by the point in the Universe at which you happened to bump into someone who "hooked you up". What about the people you bump into who hook you up with the people who hook you up? If Tupac had happened to run into Shock G for the very first time on a plane over Idaho would that make his origin "10,000 feet above Boise"? That's pretty unsatisfying. If you're going to cite origin as the beginning of a personal career, something more solid like the location at which the person signed their contract, or maybe even where they gave their first public performance under a professional contract (although that could end up being a lot different from whatever is being slammed into "origin" in other cases), would be more concrete and a lot more satisfactory. OTOH why is there even an "origin" on here? It seems completely unnecessary; do a lot of other templates use "origin" in addition to "birthplace" when referring to the subject of the article? SqlPac (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I concur that it's a weird category to have. Anyone opposed to deleting the label altogether? Tiger Khan (talk) 02:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree we should get rid of "origin" for three reasons: (1) "origin" in this context isn't well defined at all (as evidenced by all the strange things people put in there), (2) "origin" doesn't add any value to the article, and (3) the inclusion of "origin" in the summary box is confusing at best. SqlPac (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I didnt mean "origin" as meaning where he got signed, or where he met Shock G, but where he was LIVING when all of this happened. Its splitting hairs, I know. But definitely either Marin City or Oakland should be put as origin (he lived in Marin, but Digital Underground was an Oakland-based hip-hop group). Most artists who have a different origin than their birthplace have it listed in their article, and this one should be no different.

Examples of articles with separate origins are Ludacris and Kanye West. -Wakamusha (talk) 20:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

In the example of Ludacris, Atlanta was where he recorded, released, and sold his first album (out of the trunk of his car). It's also where he first signed with a label. It's not a matter of splitting hairs, but rather determining what exactly an "origin" is for an artist. As you mentioned, if Tupac's "origin" is to be meaningful to anyone then it needs to be set based on the same criteria as any other artist. So the question still stands, what is an "origin" in relation to an artist? SqlPac (talk) 20:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it, weren't there ever any controversy of him being born in the East Coast, but representing West Side?-SCB '92 (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

There was and there wasn't. Thats why it is helpful to list an origin, to establish him as a west coast rapper. The biggest difference between east coast and west coast hip-hop is production, and most of his beats were layed down by west coast producers. Wakamusha (talk) 11:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

If "origin" is just there to establish a rap artist's "regional style" (e.g., "West Coast", "East Coast", "Midwest", "Dirty South", etc.), I would recommend replacing it completely with "regional style" or something similar. In Tupac's case it would be "Regional Style: West Coast". Why confuse people with an ill-defined concept like "origin", when its only purpose is to imply something that is actually well-defined? In other words, why put up something ambiguous just to imply something else that is far less ambiguous? SqlPac (talk) 21:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If origin is to be included, Marin City works. In "Resurrection" it was stated that Pac was riding over the Golden Gate Bridge back to Marin the first time "Same Song" was played on the radio. Origins exist in many more similar articles (Eminem, Dr. Dre, Jadakiss, DMX...) where different birthplaces are listed. Note that all the origins include where all these artists lived when they were SIGNED (Eminem born in Missouri, origin Detroit. Dre born in LA, origin Compton. Both DMX and Jadakiss lived in Yonkers when signed. Neither was born there, and both were signed by labels based out of NYC, Ruff Ryders and Bad Boy). In articles such as Snoop Dogg or Ice Cube where the origin happens to be the same as the birthplace, origin is still listed, with only the birthdate listed next to "born" (Cube's says L.A., where he was born and raised, despite representing Compton for the beginning of his career, and Snoop, born and raised in LBC, has that listed, not L.A. where Death Row is). Pac lived in Marin when he was signed, discovered, recorded his first song, and when he received his first movie role. Now since we seem to have split into two separate discussions reguarding origin (to change it or to trash it) I cant see why it would state anything besides Marin, and I cant see not including it since one is listed in just about every hip-hop article already. Wakamusha (talk) 01:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So "origin" is equivalent to "where the artists lived when they were 'SIGNED'". That's a reasonable definition. It might need to be further narrowed down a teeny tiny bit more though. By signed we are talking signing a contract with any old label (local, national, international) or just a "major" label? What about artists who put out music and records independently prior to signing with a label? Those obviously don't count toward the "origin" by this definition. This is fine for an artist like Pac who was "signed, discovered, recorded his first song, and received his first movie role" all while living in the same place, but what about artists who start somewhere and then move to a new city or town after signing? This is more for general information and guidance on the "rule"; I think using Marin for Pac's "origin" is fine as long as there's a logical and consistent reason to choose Marin. Thanks. SqlPac (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move - non admin closure. Do U(knome)? ^yes...|_{or no} 00:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur → 2Pac — Move to 2Pac per WP:NCP, which states the name of an article should be "the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". 2Pac is clearly Shakur's most common name and it doesn't conflict with any other page since it already redirects to here. Two years ago there was a move discussion that had some ridiculous arguments against the move ("real name") that I hope are not repeated in this discussion. Do U(knome)? ^yes...|_{or no} 14:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose 2Pac was a stage name. No evidence is given that it is more commonly used name for him. All the references I recall seeing in mainstream media use "Tupac Shakur". older ≠ wiser 14:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose apparent official bio [1] strictly uses 'Tupac' in the text. Ripe (talk) 20:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose "2pac" is no longer the most common way he is referred to. It was while he was alive, but it appears that "Tupac" is now. 70.51.8.231 (talk) 05:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose In movies, he is credited at "Tupac Shakur". Wakamusha (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• Give some evidence of the relative usage of the two names, and prove what is more common rather than stating it. Knepflerle (talk) 23:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• I'm opposing my own nomination, as I clearly made a mistake by assuming it was common sense that Tupac Shakur is better known as 2Pac, when it is actually the opposite. Do U(knome)? ^yes...|_{or no} 00:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Genre

"Hip hop" is too generic. I suggest listing Pac's genre in the infobox as "Gangsta rap, West Coast hip hop, Political rap, G-Funk". Would make more sense. Netrat (talk) 00:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

No it wouldn't, see Template:Infobox musical artist#Genre. That should clear things up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "m dyson holler" :
  • Dyson, M. ''Holler If You Hear Me: Searching for Tupac Shakur''. BasicCivitas Books. 2001.
  • Dyson, M. "Holler If You Hear Me". [[Harvard University]]. 2003.

DumZiBoT (talk) 06:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

East harlem

It is put as East and Harlem. He was born in east/spanish harlem/puerto rican harlem and has nothing to do with harlem/central harlem/black harlem..... Unlock and change it please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.226.63 (talk) 23:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:American sex offenders

I think this category should be removed, since his case was later appealed. Wakamusha (talk) 23:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The rape case was appealed, but he was still convicted for sexual abuse. If memory serves, I believe it was three to four years in a correctional facility. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, but if his case was appealed, Pac would no longer be a registered sex offender under Megan's Law. Wakamusha (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it's still on his criminal record, no reason to think that it's "outdated". He fits in the category. If not, why did he go to jail? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

He spent 11 months in jail on an 18-54 month sentence and was "released on bail, pending appeal." His case was successfuly appealed. Maybe it's time we take him off a category which only lists 37 articles, mostly serial killers and discraced politicians. Wakamusha (talk) 23:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I'm starting to see what you mean. But how does Category:American criminals sound? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Better, seeing as he had multiple criminal charges against him. It doesn't make sense to highlight the sex offense when it was appealed and also accompanied by several conspiracy theories (government setup, set up by Haitian Jack, or maybe she just lied). Wakamusha (talk) 20:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. It was a good idea to categorize him on all criminal accounts. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

shukur

the things which a lot people do not put i them concederation tha may be tu pac shukur murder had ben totaly politecal murder. . but it had been put in gang form . cause the issues wiche mr. shkur talked about was so sinctive & built the movemen that cuold affict the youth & adelsensse comunity worldwide & that a ting some people want it to be shut down<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.209.114.243 (talk) 08:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Legal issues, ballistics from "tupac and entourage's guns"

there is a reference here to a newspaper article that says the ballistics have been revealed that proved the bullets were not from tupac or any of his posse's guns, yet there is no link to the reference and i've searched the internet and all i find is more sites using this reference yet no real article. verification anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.215.235 (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

November 1994 shooting

haven't found any good references, but this says http://www.answers.com/topic/tupac-shakur the shooting happened the day after the verdict, while this page says the day before, and they are completely different verdict/sentencing dates? nov 30th 94 and feb. 7th 95 i believe.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.215.235 (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

BMW 750i sedan

In the article it states that he was shot in an BMW 750i. However, I've seen other pics of said vehicle and am quite positive it's a 750iL (long-wheel base). Changed it to 750iL. Paulmer2003 (talk) 02:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Tupac and Thuggee?

There are various sources which tend to imply some link between the original Hindu Thuggee concept and Tupac Shakur's "Thug Life",[2] but finding an outright statement of this is another matter. Did Shakur explicitly reference Kali or offer parallels to resistance of the Hindu caste system, for example? Wnt (talk) 07:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

October 1993 Atlanta shooting

The referenced NYTimes article doesn't state that the officers were intoxicated or had weapons from an evidence locker, and neither does anything else I can find online, so I've removed that for now, but if anyone can find a solid source for that, please put it back in with a citation! I've also found claims online that Mark Whitwell left his job with the police seven months later, which if true is definitely relevant here, but can't find a reliable source for that, either. Electronwill (talk) 21:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Album 'Sunset Boulevard' is missing from this article

I remember mention of this important compilation a few weeks ago here, all mention of it and references to the article on this album compilation of 2005 are missing. Shouldn't this be included? Thank you!

Karen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karrenola (talk • contribs) 13:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Name???

Why isn't his birth name Lesane Crooks listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePistol (talk • contribs) 18:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Movies Shakur Was Alleged To A Have Read For

according to a well known 2pac fansite, "Tupac was planned to act in the movies Cool Runnings, Higher Learning, Menace II Society and How To Be A Player".

this is from http://www.numberonestars.com/musiclegends/2pacfacts.htm

i have also heard he read the script for forrest gump's Bubba.

Menace II Society incident is already adresses to on wiki page so is higher learnings

can anybody find more valid citations for the above in addition to the fansite source?

thanks

04dejand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 04dejand (talk • contribs) 21:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

WHO IS IN CONTROL OF THIS PAGE?

Why isn't Tupac's birth name listed as Lesane Parish Crooks? Why doesn't the page say he was raised in Brooklyn? Why is there not a section about the famous women he dated? Why does the page start with information not relevant to his murder such as a rape case and other legal cases. Should this not be listed further down? Why is he not listed as the best rapper ever anymore? Where is the section about his father?

This page should be edited by fans and Tupac experts. The fact that you seem to ignore alot of the questions on here suggest an arrogance.

Could you please get back to me and let me know what your policies are for controlling this page. I would like to spend some time editing it and I do not want somebody else to delete my contributions because it's not what they want,. This is about Tupac and whoever you are that is controlling the page, the way it is written you do not seem to like Pac very much.Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

No one is controlling the page. New or controversial claims need reliable sources to back them up. You merely stating it is true is not enough. Over the last few years, there have been myriad books published about Tupac's life and achievements. No doubt a devoted fan such as yourself possesses, or is at least aware of, some of these sources. Availing yourself of them (and perhaps using some helpful citation templates) would keep other editors and their concerns at bay. I would however caution you against subject, point-of-view statements such as "best rapper ever", as those sorts of value judgements have to be put in the mouth of critics, not stated as fact (e.g. "according to the Source Magazine, Tupac is the best rapper ever.") Ford MF (talk) 18:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, as regards the "Brooklyn" claim, the copy of "Tupac Shakur" published by Three Rivers (an imprint of Random House) I have here (ISBN 0-609-80217-8), Tupac is quoted on the subject of his upbringing in New York as saying that he moved between Harlem and the Bronx a lot. No mention of Brooklyn. (p. 25). Ford MF (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

MARK WHITNALL

And yes, I am a true Tupac fan and Mark Whitnall did leave his job with the police just after. He appears himself in the documentary BIGGIE & TUPAC by Nick Broomfield. Are you going to update this information now that you have proof? Probably not because you cannot find it on the precious internet. Why don't you try to research elswhere instead of being lazy. You have deleted some of my contributions and I would like to know why? When are you going to change the birth name?Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Your claims are not proof. See WP:RS. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 20:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Digital Underground Albums

can somebody please remove all the digital underground albums which have been added to tupacs discography at the bottom of the tupac shakur page, i don't know the name of the box thing but its the thing which like comes at the bottom of every tupac shakur article, can somebody please remove it as they are put in his solo album section and they are not correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 04dejand (talk • contribs) 14:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Lesane Parish Crooks (Tupac Amaru Shakur) Alice Faye Crooks (Afeni Shakur)

if you say that his birth name has never been confirmed by his family, why have you got a claim on here that Afeni changed his name and then got married and changed it back etc etc..are you not contradicting yourself?. I don't know who's running this page but whoever you are this Tupac page sucks and does not do him justice. There are so many discrepencies and mis-information that it really makes me sad. And as a true fan I know alot about Tupac and try to change things with my reliable sources, and yet you say we need to discuss it first but you never give me an answer. Dispicable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk • contribs) 20:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You have yet to offer a single source. Ford MF (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

RAPE

I do not think a suitable introduction to Tupac's page should list a rape case. Should this not be listed further down under a sub catergory of say, conroversy or legal cases. I have mentioned this before and you have not replied. ARROGANT. Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Rolling Stones Immortals Greatest artist of all time.

Tupac Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7249932/the_immortals__the_greatest_artists_of_all_time_86_tupac_shakur I have changed the page accordingly.Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

BILLY GARLAND

Can we have Tupac's real father mentioned on this page. I'm actually quite surprised that he is not on here.....Is there a specific reason why??? If not can you add him here and stop deleting my contributions please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms Scarlett Dracula (talk • contribs) 17:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

November 1994 shooting: 5 or 6 bullet wounds?

Quote from article: "According to the doctors at Bellevue Hospital, where he was admitted immediately following the incident, Shakur had received five bullet wounds; twice in the head, twice in the groin and once through the arm and thigh." 2 head wounds, 2 wounds in the groin, 1 in the arm and 1 in the thigh, that adds up to 6 bullet wounds, while the same sentence states he only had 5 bullet wounds. Can somebody please correct or explain this part of the article? Teleevisie (talk) 04:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It seemed clear enough to me that one bullet passed through his arm and then into or through his thigh. Whether this counts as six wounds or as wounds from five bullets seems to be splitting hairs. 99.51.74.201 (talk) 02:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Rumors he's still alive...

Just curious if it would be considered notable that many "conspiracy theorists" seem to believe he's still alive, mostly due to the large number of posthumous releases. It's all speculation and original research of course, but it has made it's way into pop culture fairly consistently - the one that comes to mind first was on Dave Chapelle's show, where they had a skit of Tupac's "new song" that actually commented on the events occurring in the club while the record was playing... I would think that if any books had been written about the subject then it would have citations, and it could be considered a part of his legacy. Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 18:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Such a section would be fine so long as there are verifiable sources, if any exist that is. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I came here precisely to suggest this. The reason I searched for this article was to read about it. Whether or not he is still alive is irrelevant in my view...there are constant rumors of this fact and it is widely discussed. I don't have time to add the section but it would be great if somebody could. I think it might even be a solid candidate for a separate articleDegenFarang (talk) 09:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Needs a Clean Up

I just read the article for the first time and tried to clean it up a bit but don't have time to do much more now. There are tons of words and phrases in it which I can only best describe as 'ebonics'. This is not encyclopedic and needs to be fixed. Once such example was a reference to Shakur's 'homegirls' instead of his friends. Shug Knight is also constantly referred to as Shug and not Knight or Shug Knight. There is also a lot of bad grammer and several poorly constructed paragraphs. I'll add this to my watch list and try to come back later to fix it up...but if somebody else could do it now that would be excellent.DegenFarang (talk) 09:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

2 Pac has sold over 50 million in U.S. alone

The article states in the biginning that 2 Pac has sold over 50 million record in U.S. alone, the source of which re-directs to another wikipedia page. Well, how could this be correct if RIAA's total sales in Gold/Platinum for 2 Pac does not surpass the 36.5 million? I'm sure there are albums/singles that have not reached the Gold-certification level; therefore, the small numbers of which are not included within the 36.5 million. But I'm certain that even with those numbers included the total sales could not exceed the 40 million boarder for U.S. market. In addition, 2 Pac has not had great success in other larger music markets including UK's ( 1 Gold and 1 Platinum) and Germany's (2 Golds), that's roughly 700,000 for UK and another 700,000 for Germany. He simply could not have sold enough outside the USA's market to reach 75 million records in total as the article states. --Harout72 (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

• I removed the ref.XXL supporting the total sales figure of 75 million albums world-wide and the 55 million in U.S. which only stated that the ref. is from October 2006 issue. If it really is from the October 2006 issue of XXL then we need more specifics about the reference such as exact page number and the name of the article as well as the name of the author not to mention the entire statement that talks about the sales figures for verifiability purposes, see WP:CS, [3].--Harout72 (talk) 23:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Poetry

My English teacher told me that she had taught a piece of poetry that was from a book that 2Pac wrote. Could someone look that up? She said the particular poem she taught was called something like "A Rose in the Concrete." Strobes13 (talk) 17:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you're looking for The Rose That Grew from Concrete or The Rose, Vol. 2? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Tupac

Tupac is not dead. He is alive in Cuba. He never had a funeral, his life insurance ,oney was never collected. how come his mom flew to Cuba on june 16th? whats on June 16th? Tupacs birthday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.203.174 (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

he was a good rapper —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.216.104.235 (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)