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Help on Mae West Article

Please see my recent note in Discussion on the Mae West page re references. An editor named Wildhartlivie watches this article like a hawk along with some friends like User:Pinkadelica. They insist on having the unsightly reference template at the top of the article forever no matter how many references that are put in. It seems to me that there is some sort of personal policing of this article going on and that certain editors are hell-bent on controlling the content 100%. Reading correspondence between Wildhartlivie and Pinkadelica on their talk pages supports that suspicion (not very nice reading either, by the way). Its this allowed? I thought I made a reasonable point in Discussion just now, but it only took 4 minutes for Wilhardlivie to intercede again. We need an objective administrator's help here to get that template out of there one way or another. Would you please help or forward this to someone who can? EmilEikS (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

For some reason, this continues to be made a personal issue, which all began over the last weekend because I removed a US flag icon from the West page. Please see Talk:Mae West#Flag Restricted - No Way for Mae?, User talk:Fiandonca, User talk:EmilEikS, and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (icons)#Do not use flags to indicate locations of birth and death???????????. In trying in good faith to bring the article to a well referenced state and reduce POV, the opposition has been ferocious to even minimal issues. I object quite strenuously, once again, to the personal attacks by this editor. So I monitor my watchlist and address issues I see. I object to the statements above about "watching it like a hawk" and trying to control the content 100%. An article full of unsupported facts is going to get tagged, there is nothing personal involved. I was even attacked for bothering to be about the only WP editor who bothered to answer inquiries on the talk page. Enough personal attacks. That I work well and discuss articles and issues with a handful of other good editors who are also interested in this genre of biographies is the ideal, and it certainly doesn't indicate some sort of personal agenda. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no personal attack in my stating what anyone can safely surmise by reading the talk pages of these cooperating editors about Mae West (Pinkadelica's has just now been archived) which have been read by me and several of my office colleagues with amazement. How do you feel as one of Wikipedia's most experienced administrators, about the current look of the Mae West article as adjusted since you wrote on the Discussion page there? The editor in question has just added no less that 78 "citation needed" notes throughout the text, if my quick count is correct. What does this tell a newcomer about English Wikipedia (compare e. g. sv:Mae West) looking for information about one of America's best known entertainers? When Wildhartlivie changed my "Through her world famous sense of humor, Mae West has become one of the most legendary of all American entertainment personalities" just now to remove the sense of humor, she removed the whole point of that author's book (the one the reference goes to). And why is "References" OK as a heading for every other article I've seen, but W won't have it here, insisting on "Notes" alone. If I am wrong about some negative personal editing and exaggerated policing of this article, I sincerely apologize. We cannot help continung to react naturally to what the evidence strongly suggests. EmilEikS (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

As was requested, facts and quotes needing citations (including statements about box office failures/hits, references to convictions, pen names, claims about things done, felt or stated, blanket statements about controversy, etc. etc.) were added and some POV comments edited. It is unproductive to compare this article with one on another WP version. That copious references are needed is an issue with the article's sourcing. Finally, I've twice corrected the section title "References & Notes" as not in accordance with MOS. Working cooperatively with other editors to bring articles to a quality standard is the fundamental purpose of Wikipedia. It is not wrong, nor is it objectionable. Stop making it personal Emil. Removing templates and fact tags/citations need tags doesn't improve the quality and verifiability of the article. Adding adequate sourcing does. As it states below the edit window, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly...do not submit it. I apologize for it spilling over to your talk page, Kingturtle. I simply don't care to let such allegations go unanswered. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

There is some confusion about who "submitted writing" to be "edited mercilessly" here. My contributions to this article have been miniscule and very recent. What I have reacted to is how much contentiousness and argument and radical revision there has been since it was first entered almost six years ago, and particularly several of my associates and I think it is sad that an article about one of America's most appreciated entertainment people still today is found in this embarrassing shape when looked up on English Wikipedia. I'm sure thousands, including potential donors, have been surprised and disappointed over the years by that fact. It is my experience that too much fighting over something keeps it from ever getting fixed. I won't be fighting anymore about this one, just hoping to see something finished and nice looking soon. EmilEikS (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Report re: Vandalism and/or Personal Editing

Please see false templates entered at Jacob Truedson Demitz and Wild Side Story and please help! EmilEikS (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear sir: please have another look at what is going on at Jacob Truedson Demitz. This is excrutiatingly embarassing and makes all the work I have done recently, which I just thought was complete and something to be proud of, feel like foolishness. EmilEikS (talk) 06:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. If you too are monitoring certain articles and talk pages involving me, perhaps you have seen the Jacob Truedson Demitz discussion recently. I have tried several times to calm things down and have apologized for everything thinkable that I may have done to cause trouble. I am willing to apologize for anything more that I may need to apologize about. When claiming that there is a lot of badmouthing going on, I get replies amounting to the fact that I am oversensitive. Now, a new editor in this drama has entered a C-quality template on the Demitz article. I would like it removed, please (see below)! I am also asking you to use your influence as an administrator to put a stop to things such as this (just copied from talk of User:Momoricks who entered the C-tag):

"I have been watching Werdna. He's gone bye-bye. It is telling that the only reason he says he won't do it again and admitted that he was wrong is to get the block lifted. I'm sure somehow, it will always be my fault. It was all about Dahmer, you know. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

And yet, none of it was as bad as it was on Talk:Mae West, User talk:EmilEikS, User talk:Fiandonca, Talk:Jacob Truedson Demitz or Wild Side Story. Where is good faith? Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Try a C class and low priority. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought about Wikiquette or AN/I but apparently I hate him already. It doesn't have to happen immediately. There's also that incipient COI that can be verified. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, steaming pile of poo is one description. Another might be a seminal horror/slasher film that opened the door to a plethora of even worse slasher films. It was fairly scary, but unfortunately, deteriorated into contrived storylines in sequels. I'd liken it in impact to Psycho, Night of the Living Dead and perhaps the original Halloween. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)"

Will you please help or find someone objective who will? PLEASE!EmilEikS (talk) 07:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but since when is it appropriate to copy talk page content to another person's talk page? This has gone on long enough. It is time that User:EmilEikS learn that 1) he does not own the article(s) in question, 2) cross-posting and gaming adminstrators for support is inappropriate, and 3) it would benefit him greatly if he had actually read both sides of the conversation which he obviously did not to see what the actual conversation was about. The majority of that conversation was about a now blocked user and a huge uproar over his racist/homophobic/biased edits. Not the editor who posted this. The steaming pile of poo comment was in fact about the film Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And the recommendation for the article assessment is spot-on by the criteria of the guidelines. Cross checking talk pages and posting content from it as this was done is wikistalking. It is time for this to stop. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Quote Wikipedia re: Wikihounding: "The contribution logs can be used in the dispute resolution process to gather evidence to be presented in requests for comment, mediation, WP:ANI, and arbitration cases". EmilEikS (talk) 09:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wild Bill Donovan

Thanks for taking care of this for me. It's about the only thing I can't do on Wikipedia that I wish I could :) . -Dewelar (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you considered becoming an admin? Kingturtle (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I have considered applying, but I always felt like my tenure here isn't long enough (I've only really been active since July) and my range of contributions too narrow (95% of my edits are baseball-related) to pass muster. -Dewelar (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Dear Kingturtle, thanks for your kind note. I don't have any questions or concerns. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Henry III of England

Can you go back to this article, which you visited recently? Look at the contributor's opinion of Henry as a failure, politically and militarily (yet the country prospered). I understood that opinions were verboten in Wikipedia. If not, then at the very least this opinion should be backed up by 'serious' commentators (pereferably Oxford or Cambridge) and firmly cited and referenced as such. I think 'Citation needed' is the minimum order of the day. --JHB (talk) 09:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Kingturtle, I have posted an incident report regarding User:EmilEikS, which is located here. I invite any comments you may have. Best regards, mo ^talk 04:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

List of rulers of Kabul

Good question - and a pertinent one. All such lists should state why the list ends where it does. I omitted this information and if I get time, assuming no-one beats me to it in the meantime, I will amend the data. --JohnArmagh (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Username Change Request

I attempted to get my username changed on Wikipedia:Changing username from Juthani1 to World but it is no longer on the page. I was wondering if you could do such a task. This is needed because my username is too personal and to difficult to remember. I want All of my subpages to be moved in this process and the username to change on my SUL Account. Please reply before changing my name. Thanks    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, it would be nice if you could reply on my taklpage as well as on yours    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The SUL owner of User:World on ja.wikipedia.org. You will have to find a different username. Let me know what you pick and I'll change it. Kingturtle (talk) 21:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that makes more sense. The user was a sockpuppet though. Is there any way you can give me that name by going over that    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You can try to usurp it. Place a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations. Good luck! :) and let me know if you need further assistance. Kingturtle (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't exactly get how it works. Does a panel of bureucrats look at it or does one? I don't understand what I need to type in    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Follow the instructions on that page, where it is marked Instructions. If the owner of the target account does not object within seven days, a bureaucrat will fulfill your request provided other requirements are met. Kingturtle (talk) 02:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you leave a message on the User's talkpage, I can't find it. Thanks    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

The request needs to come from your account. Place it on User talk:World. Kingturtle (talk) 23:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help.    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

One more question. Will all of my subpages including those of talkpages be carried over?    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes :) Kingturtle (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

With Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For you help with username changes, mine and many others, thank you. Joe Nutter 02:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kingturtle (talk) 07:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Wakhan corridor

hi could you please remove the disputed sentence from pakistans wakhan corridor or at least add it to indian territorys e.g baramulla rather than just bullying pakistans territory into a administered and disputed sentences its not fair and bias must be stopped!!!!!!!! cheers 86.156.211.85 (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

^This user is a sock of a banned user User:Nangparbat. This sock is guilty of ban evasion to the nth degree. They need to be banned the second they are seen in most cases. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Readding photo credits

I have gone through all the Wild Side Story article edits and found that no one has ever readded any photo credits or reverted any of your edits. Personally I appreciate any and all help I have gotten from you and from any other constructive editors. Sincerely, EmilEikS (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Let´s start again from the beginning friendly

Hello kingturtle,

sorry for some bad and aggressive words of mine toward you. Now, I want to tell you that I excuse myself. I know, that we had a bad connection to eachhother in the past and I do not want that. Hope you agree with me. Hope, you will accept me as a new friend :). Bye--84.59.198.100 (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The above statement using IP is User:Šāhzādé[1] He is the inferior-tajik guy trying to use a different style of writings to fool admins. --User:Kirabono

Kentucky Hotel

Thanks very much for your kind comments about my Kentucky Hotel NRHP article. I spent T'Giving in Lynchburg and my hosts kindly trucked me around to most all of the NRHP sites in the city so I could get pics. It provided a nice diversion for our holiday. Best wishes ... Ted--Pubdog (talk) 21:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

John Shebbeare.

Thanks for your note about this article. I am slowly working my way through the list of missing DNB articles.By dumping the (public domain) DNB text into Wikipedia and then linkifying it. This was my sixteenth such article, and I was wondering if anyone except the other few guys on the DNB missing articles project had even noticed.

This approach has serious drawbacks, most notably the text reads as if it was written over hundred years ago--because it was. My reasoning is that it is a great deal better than not having an article at all, and someone who cares can come along later and re-write.

We still have 101 articles on the high-priority DNB missing articles list, and perhaps 75% of them can be addressed using the old PD sources. If I remain the only one using this approach, and if I don't get discouraged, I'll finish in about four months. After that, I can then start on the next set of DNB articles. There are 30,000 or so in all. -Arch dude (talk) 22:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

User:PakistaniNisar is Use:Beh-nam

You have showed me that you are a devil worshipper, you turn blind eye to the known vandals and your fellow devil worshippers (Beh-nam and Tajik)[2], [3] and decide to mess with my faithful work. You do this because obviously you are worshipping a devil (the wrong doer). --User:Kirabono

User:Šāhzādé

User:Šāhzādé is a sockpuppet of User:Draco of Utopia, who is also User:Germany2008 and all these are really sockpuppets of User:Tajik. Tajik has changed his way or style of writing to fool admins.

See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tajik --User:Kirabono

Hello dear friend,

I saw that you was writing or editing on my profile without any reason. Please stop it. And the claim of the User above is just pathetic. A User-Check will show that. I am neither User:Tajik nor User:Draco of Utopia. Good night.--Šāhzādé (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry about jumping the gun and warning User talk:9er 9er‎. I did'nt realise that you had beaten me to the revert. Happy editing :-) JS (chat) 20:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Better to have more fighting vandals than less. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Help

Help, see here. [4] Never was a disambiguation page, before see[5] I wanted to add more information to the word Never, about funny sayings which express the notion never in different languages, like for example: When hell freezes over.

The page would looked complicated otherwise.[6]. I thougt I create a separate article for the word and keep the rest as a disambiguation page

About the article never, people agreed on that it was ok to expand it, see my talk page. I did not wanted to make a dictionary of it, I just wanted to add funny sayings. .

Warrington (talk) 12:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you want me to help. Please explain. Kingturtle (talk) 13:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to waste your time. I had some uncertain idea about that since you were in the Article rescue category

you might have some useful household tips... But I hope that the matter is solved now.

Thanks for asking

Warrington (talk) 14:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

You're not wasting my time. I am just wanting to know in what way you need help. Kingturtle (talk) 14:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

An article about sayings, Never (word) was about to be deleted and I wanted to find a way to rescue the content. Now I hope that it will be included in the Wiktionary instead.

That is all.

Warrington (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:Fordstheater.jpe listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Fordstheater.jpe, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Rename of The Mary Pearl Willis Foundation (talk · contribs) to Dembravesfans (talk · contribs)

Hi. Something about this rename seems not to have worked, see [7]. As the renaming bureaucrat, could you take a look? Thanks,  Sandstein  06:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank youThe Mary Pearl Willis Foundation (talk) 07:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The change went through, see: [[8]]. Try logging into User:Dembravesfans. Did you create a new User:The Mary Pearl Willis Foundation account? Kingturtle (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thank you! I will login as Dembravesfans. No, I did not recreate the user name The Mary Pearl Willis Foundation.

Image:Ghwbush.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Ghwbush.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• 'Tis here. Just use their search box :) Kingturtle (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Phot047q.gif

Image Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading Image:Phot047q.gif, which you've sourced to http://memory.loc.gov/music/fine/phot/phot047q.gif/. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the image (or other media file) agreed to license it under the given license.

If you created this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either

• make a note permitting reuse under the GFDL or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
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If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the image to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the image has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the image's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Images lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The image is from the Irving Fine Collection; Music Division, Library of Congress. Rights information is here: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/fine/ifres.html . Kingturtle (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I Love You

Thank you so much for blocking Dshibshm. That guy hasn't made a beneficial edit in his entire life. :)

Alexander Mountain Estate

Hi. :) Other issues with this article notwithstanding, I just wanted to point out that as the talk page indicates, this material seems to have been rather thoroughly released. The external site, [9], says "Please note: re-use of material on this site is permitted under the GFDL and is released into the public domain." Not exactly standard language, and certainly highly odd to both license it under GFDL and release it into public domain, but the intent seems clear. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Šāhzādé is User:Tajik

Please do not be fooled by the disruptive user:Tajik, like how admin User:Alison was fooled by him in the last CU. These 8 edits by IP 84.59.205.77 will prove that user:Tajik is behind all these sockpuppets. In this edit, he writes like User:Šāhzādé then, hourse later, in this edit he writes like User:Šāhzādé and User:Tajik combined. He writes "Le[t´s] see here"...in the beginning and then changes the style to "But despite Zalmay Khalilza[d’s]"... "Afghanista[n’s]"... To top it off, user:Tajik did this edit and wrote in the edit summary "info + sources added according to talk page", which is letting us know that he was the one who wrote in the end of the talk page of Zalmay Khalilzad.--Roge from What's Happening (talk) 06:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

My username change was successful. I have another question. Is there any way, that my old username "Juthani1" can be changed on all of wikipeda including talkpages, project pages, and pages where the userboxes I created become "World" Please answer this on my talkpage. Thanks    World   ^tcs 18:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Has this been fixed yet? Kingturtle (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

on the history pages yes, but I was wondering about the links. For example, I have made many ubxs which appear as a redirect sign on other userpages.    World   ^tcs 00:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Khost (Matun) district

Actually I can't tell you why. This is the name given by AIMS. As you should have seen I am not an Afghani, but a Bulgarian.Drjmarkov (talk) 11:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Disruptive edits by anon

Could you please take a look at the edits done by anon 67.167.12.8 in Uzbek-Tajik related subjects (Tajik language, Tajiks, Uzbek language, Uzbekistan)? Can you do something to stop this user for continuing his disruptive editing? Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 05:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as the editor in question had been warned and yet continued to make the disruptive edits, I have blocked that IP for a few days. Kingturtle (talk) 13:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome

You are welcome in the Therese Zenz article. Why are your interested in her if you don't mind my asking? Chris (talk) 13:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know much about her. I help maintain Wikipedia:Recent changes article requests and that article was listed there. Thanks again! Kingturtle (talk) 13:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible Article for Deletion

When I discovered my biography April 19 after it had been online for over two years, I started developing it as an autobiography http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ray_Joseph_Cormier&oldid=220975243

Realizing on my own it was not appropriate, it was I who reached out to more experienced Administrators for help to make it conform to Wikipedia BLP standards. You, along with a few others, reduced it to a shell of what it was, and while I was disappointed, I understood and accepted why it had to be done.

At that time I promised you personally I would not edit the article itself, and I have kept that commitment. I have added some references, and there are many more I could add. Those references can be seen here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2003596&l=16beb&id=1294974109

You stated then you would not nominate it for deletion, but you added a tag yesterday which I interpret as a preliminary notice to deletion. Would you please explain your change of heart after all these months? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

After extensive research on the article, I have come to the personal belief that the article does not merit notability. However, rather than nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD, I put a tag on it to see how other editors felt. Kingturtle (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

• That´s interesting. Would you care to elaborate on your extensive research? DoDaCanaDa (talk)

See WP:GNG. I don't believe the article has significant coverage. Also the events in the biography (running for office, getting arrested, traveling across country) are not significant enough to warrant an article. These events are minor news stories. That is my opinion. Kingturtle (talk) 14:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

• I suppose the Court ordered probation ¨not to attend on the Sparks Street Mall or any other Street in the City of Ottawa for the purpose of speaking or shouting"is routine where you come from?

I suppose the following references in the article are normal and standard for anyone to accumulate as well?

References

  1. ^ "Preacher Arrested on Mall" Ottawa Citizen 3 September 1977
  2. ^ Dave Rogers, "Second police warning for God's emissary", Ottawa Citizen, 10 September 1977, A2.
  3. ^ "Emissary from God undaunted", Ottawa Citizen, 22 October 1977, pg 2.
  4. ^ "The self-styled prophet hauled off Mall again", Ottawa Citizen, 3 November 1977, pg5.
  5. ^ "Mall 'prophet' jailed again", Ottawa Citizen, 5 November 1977, pg 5.
  6. ^ "Prophet hauled out of Commons gallery", Ottawa Citizen, 18 October 1977, pg 3.
  7. ^ "Gagged protester gets heave-ho", Ottawa Today, 18 October 1977.
  8. ^ "Masked protester returns", The Ottawa Citizen, July 15, 1978
  9. ^ Jane Taber "'Prophet' fined for shouting at Nov. 11 service", Ottawa Citizen, 3 January 1986
 10. ^ "Anti-war speech costs man $250", Globe and Mail, 3 January 1986
 11. ^ "Cormier condamné", Le Droit, 3 January 1986
 12. ^ Steve St. Laurent. "Visiting 'prophet' no average preacher", Calgary Herald, 18 July 1981, A11.
 13. ^ Cathy Lord "Visions compelled search for God", Edmonton Journal, 25 July 1981,G13.
 14. ^ Leslie Cole "Self-proclaimed prophet: Showmanship not his style", Whitehorse Star, 26 August 1981, pg 3
 15. ^ Nicholas Read "'Divine gifts' inspire ex-executive to tramp the land with a message", Vancouver Sun, 3 October 1981
 16. ^ Maclean's Magazine, pg 40 31 August 1981, People Section.
 17. ^ Richard Caron "Raymond Cormier sillonne le pays pour precher Dieu", Le Soliel, 28 July 1986
 18. ^ Elizabeth Hanton "Prophet sees Canada as the new Israel", The Halifax Daily News, 11 August 1986
 19. ^ Sylvia Reddom "Shares Faith With Canadians - Religion More Than Going To Church Says Travelling Born Again Christian", The Charlottetown Guardian, 20 August 1986
 20. ^ Emily Dyckson "Wandering prophet shares his faith", The Weekend (St. John's), 30 August 1986
 21. ^ History of Federal Ridings since 1867
 22. ^ Kernaghan R. Webb Focus Magazine September1984 'RJC: Cormier makes people nervous. Especially authorities.'
 23. ^ Elections Canada On-Line | General Information
 24. ^ Kathleen Patterson "Prophet Chooses Park for Vigil" The Kansas City Times pg. 3A 13 September 1976
 25. ^ Robert W. Butler "Prophet Plans Appeal of Conviction" The Kansas City Times 2 November 1976

I realize there are a lot of references - but are the stories notable enough to warrant an article? I'm not so sure. Kingturtle (talk) 22:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

• Are you violating your own policy by removing my continuation of this discussion?

Also note: It is my policy not to delete or remove dialog from this page. Everything (except some spam) will be saved and archived. Please don't later remove from here what you've written (although, if you do, I will respect your wishes and not restore removed comments.) DoDaCanaDa (talk) 05:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

No, because all I removed was something you spammed onto my talk page. I've already read all that elsewhere. Kingturtle (talk) 05:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Realist2

I am suprised by your response to my question in your support (which has now been responded to). It seems clear to me you did not read it fully, or if you did you failed to read it correctly. I see nothing wrong with asking how a candidate feels about an IRC issue, particularly when it relates to them, and by couching this in terms of a more general question on the use of IRC (which I have grave concerns about generally) if feel it is perfectly acceptable. It also allowed the candidate an opportunity to perhaps defend against off wiki collusion, if they wished, which the nominators had not done. Pedro :  Chat  15:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I read the questions clearly the first time. Kingturtle (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Apologies I meant to type It seems clear to me you did not read it fully, and was ec'd by your reply Pedro :  Chat  15:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

And now he's withdrawn his RFA - that you supported - because of the very IRC issues I hoped to head off with my questions. I doubt you feel proud of yourself, but in this instance I'm going to pile on. Your lack of good judgement and awareness of issues here was astounding. Consider your position please. Pedro :  Chat  21:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Er...he resigned because I thought your question wasn't useful? If your strategy was to head something off, the strategy didn't work.

It is awful that he dropped out of the running and I hope he tries again. Kingturtle (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

He didn't resign. He withdrew. Complex stuff, obviously. You fail to understand (as usual). My question was meant to help head of the IRC issue. You, with your 'crat head on, challenged it, and then, as I expected, shrugged of my polite request above to recognise it for what it was. You clearly have no clue about the wider issue. Will you reconsider your position in light of you lack of awareness and demonstrable lack of judgement? Pedro :  Chat  21:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you have a vendetta against me. Cheers. Kingturtle (talk) 21:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you think that. I don't. If your best defence for your mistakes is that I have a vendetta against you (for no reason I can think of) then you really do need to think long and hard about your comment at Realist's RFA and your actions (and lack of interaction) since. Pedro :  Chat  21:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, nothing productive will come. Apologies. Agree to disagree? Pedro :  Chat  22:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree to disagree. Kingturtle (talk) 05:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Mae West Grave

It would be interesting if you would kindly put an administrator's comment on the discussion page of the Mae West article so some of us that are interested in the quality and looks of same can see there how you feel about the changes made recently to a valuable photo of her grave that has been left alone until recently. Can you justify the latest "crop" where the rest of the West family grave has been excluded (father, mother, sister, brother in vaults under Mae plus gate that is a part of it)? By an editor who according to edit history has tried to remove the whole photo once and then chipped away more and more at the caption content? Personal agenda? Just interested in your expert opinion that's all. / Anonymous

I posted my reaction to the cropping here. Kingturtle (talk) 05:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It didn't help. Some more specfic action on your part would, and would make Wikipedia look good, unless you agree with the editor's latest argument. If not outright vandalism, this looks like just a touch of spite to me in any case. Suppose you do not see (?) a personal agenda shining through the repeated objections to the "person" in the grave pic. The whole article looks odd enough as it is, if you'll pardon me and my friends thinking so. And going on 6 years now to get a decent Mae West article published?!?. More and more stuff like that on its talk page doesn't help. I know people who are seriously shocked at the poor quality of English Wikipedia in this particular case. Needless to say. Someone should investigate the whole history of the article and look for causality. A rather glaring clue would be the latest subject on the talk page, between editors who look like they are approving each other's candid input but who actually cooperate closely in a little cabal with very strong personal views, as shown (re: them) in many other places. /Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.96.57 (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

It is interesting to me that this IP, from Sweden, who calls himself "Anonymous" although the IP is clearly available, has popped up since the departure of User:EmilEikS, also from Sweden, to edit the same articles as Emil, make the same bad faith accusations as Emil, including editing as vandalism, accusations of cabalism and disruptive collusion, charges that an article isn't "finished" and that it is because I have held up an article for 6 years (although my involvement on the article has been the last most recent months), the same thing Emil said, to defend the same article subject (the person in the West grave photo) that Emil did, the same vague references to his friends agreeing with him that Emil made. For the record, I removed the image, but the subsequent change to the caption wasn't made by me, but an entirely different editor who came up with the compromise, which had left it at "A fan leaves flowers at West's grave in Cypress Hills Cemetery", this same IP "Anonymous" actually was the one who changed the caption to "At West's grave in Cypress Hills Cemetery July, 10 2007" with the edit summary rationale of "seems irrelevant whether or not man leaving flowers was fan or friend or relative, date can be relevant to grave history/Anonymous". I had nothing to do with chipping "away more and more at the caption content". Now he's claiming a bias against the man leaving flowers? Give me a break. One cannot tell, either from the original image or the information from the original image page that there might be family members or a special gate. In fact, that's never been mentioned anywhere that I can see, although the original uploader (who was Emil) might have that information. This has gone on long enough. A new approach to attacking me doesn't minimize the obvious. The article is about West, the image didn't clearly show it was West's grave, it was cropped to enhance the recognition of that. A article is never "done", so the accusations that there is something wrong with the history and status of the article is subterfuge, the article was created 6 years ago, few articles are ever "done". It all started because he didn't like that the flag icon was removed from the infobox on this article and has not abated. He's still trying to game adminstrators and the petty attacks need to stop. He left rather than participate in a request for comments. It is time to move on. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear Kingturtle: Now how is that for personal?. I am NOT Emil Eikner. As stated before several of us use this computer which is located in an office and is owned by an organization. Emil Eikner no longer has anything to do with English Wikipedia, nor does Fiandonca, who also got scared half to death by this editor. These badly bitten newcomers, who asked for help and got none, won't be back. Personally, I do not scare easily but I would still never identify myself here. This editor's reprehensible theories do not interest me. All this personal stuff, that goes on and on and on and on, should interest the Wikimedia Foundation, the repuation of which suffers considerably from stuff like this and from the atrocious condition of such articles on English Wikipedia as Mae West. All the false information spread around all over, and all the vicious invective, should also interest the Wikimedia Foundation for the same reason, reputation. Such as the the martyrdom of having been "accused" of being responsible for the whole history of the Mae West article (no one has ever said that but this editor herself). We have collected quite a file on this editor and her cohorts - it is pretty nasty reading - and will continue to do so until she "moves on" as she suggests herself. That is she and her little cabal of negative, personal editors stop showing so much interest in persecuting Emil Eikner and the other users of this computer. This editor is so powerful that she has managed to get Emil and Fiandonca unfairly assessed as "sock puyppets" by an administrator who showed heavy bias in doing so. The questions are, why is she that powerful and should she be? Please revert the Mae West grave photo edit back to the full picture as per your own opinion on it! / Anonymous at IP 217.209.96.57

Raúl Ibáñez

Can you please remove the protection page on Raúl? – Michael (talk) 14:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I've asked a neutral party to review the protection level of the article. Kingturtle (talk) 21:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Tajiks

You have placed a protection on article Tajiks, thats ok. But why have you removed the picture of Ahmad Shah Massoud a prominent ethnic Tajik from Afghanistan. What was the reason? can please reinstate that picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.81.60 (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I removed the Jalaluddin Balkhi.jpg image because it does not exist. Kingturtle (talk) 21:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)