User talk:Greg L

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Greg L 17:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured picture candidate

An animation uploaded by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, Image:Translational motion.gif, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! 28 January 2007 (UTC)

POTD

Hi Greg,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Translational_motion.gif is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on May 14, 2007. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-05-14. howcheng {chat} 18:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured Picture Candidate

I nominated one of your animations (Image:Translational motion.gif) to be featured. See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Translational Motion. —EdGl 02:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I wrote back on your personal discussion page. Greg L 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

(concerning your last post on my talk page) You should definitely speak out and state your case on the featured picture candidates page! —EdGl 21:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I left a note on Antilived's talk page concerning his vote, directing him to my talk page. —EdGl 01:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There are two users who voted neutral but clearly like it and lean support, voting neutral only because of minor issues. In this case it's not really a bad thing, since there are a few support votes and no oppose votes. Only a few more days left. —EdGl 04:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the way I see it. Thanks. Greg L 05:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo, the animation is now featured! →EdGl 00:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It says on the picture-of-the-day page that "featured images are currently selected in the order they were promoted". So, it won't be on the main page in a while. They have already selected pics up to March 1st. →EdGl 01:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• Of course, that's fine. I only picked Temperature because it was the first. Regards. Trebor 07:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your herculean efforts at Kilogram and for your wonderful CG image of the IPK. Enuja (talk) 23:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Greg L/Sewer cover in front of Greg L’s house

Thanks, that is funny and makes an excellent point. --John (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for dropping me a note. I’m glad you liked it. I noted before that you had linked to it. Greg L (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

		Home-Made Barnstar
		I made this barnstar myself. I think you qualify for it for your creation of the sewer cover barnstar, and for your tireless efforts to focus linking on targets that are useful to our readers. John (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

A kilobyte of thanks

		The Kilobyte Barnstar
		For your efforts in restoring the industry standard terms for memory size to the Manual of Style (dates and numbers). The IC is an Intel 2708, a 1 kilobyte EPROM made in 1976. SWTPC6800 (talk) 03:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Why, thank you very much. That certainly was a joint effort. I hope you give yourself  one! Greg L (talk) 04:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The Earle Martin Creative, Reactionary, Awesome Prose (CRAP) Barnstar

This jewel comes from here:

“ (ec) Of course it's "ridiculous" when someone comes up with an alternative proposal to the biased wording (pointed out above by someone that isn't one of the regular edit-warriors on this topic) that you yourselves inserted to distort the existing pro-linking proposals in your favor. After writing paragraphs and paragraphs of tortured prose on the subject of autoformatting, you start wailing and gnashing your teeth when someone adds a proposal of two sentences and all of 47 words to the page.

As usual, it's Greg L howling and foaming at the head of the pack with his sycophants trailing behind. You people are fucking pathetic.

Yes, I'm angry and tomorrow will almost certainly regret writing the above, but at present I do not care. This is absolutely intolerable.

”

Greg, I think we need an Earle Martin Prize for the Most Poorly Behaved Admin of the Year. I nominate him now, along with Gwen Gale. On the other side, our prize for the best admin ... I'd nominate Black Kite, for starters, just on his copyright work, but for other things too. Tony (talk) 02:49, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• Jeez, what an acronym. OK. The EMPFTMPBAOTY award. Greg L (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Archival System

Hi there. Would it possible for you to set up an archive system? Your page is very hard to open on a mobile browser, or even a slower computer. If you can't be bothered to do it yourself (like me), try bots like User:Cluebot III.

Regards, NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 03:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. Greg, if setting up a bot is a burden, I can do it for you. Or, you can just delete all the older stuff from your Talk page – nothing wrong with that.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

All: I’ll get this done in the next 48 hours. Greg L (talk) 18:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Done. Greg L (talk) 21:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Something that might interest you

Hello Greg. If you take a look here, you'll see a suggestion I've made in regards to your original proposal on the workshop. Your comments would be appreciated. Regards, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 00:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Measurement

This one is made for you :P. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 00:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Does one just add their name and they are a “member”? Besides putting my name there, how could I be of assistance? Any suggestions for a specific task for me to do? Does that page need to be expanded with proposed “to-do’s’? Greg L (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know exactly, I just found out about it the other day. The goals seems to be improving the coverage about units of measurements. Since you were involved with Kilogram, and at the MOSNUM, I'm sure you can contribute to that project in some way. Edit articles, assess, comment, increase compliance with MOSNUM, pick your poison.Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 01:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back!

your timing is impeccable: looks like fun and games have resumed at the same time as your re-emergence. Glad to have you back. Greg L's #1 fanboy ;-) (talk) 04:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks Ohconfucius. I’m happy to be back. Greg L (talk) 05:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Indeed, your other "fanboy" (as branded in an amusing incident) welcomes back your technical expertise and straightforward thinking about a number of difficult issues. Tony (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
  • And here is a rousing chorus of applause from your third fanboy! Dabomb87 (talk) 13:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks again, gents. Greg L (talk) 20:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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The Last Conversation

Thank you.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• It had been on my mind for a long time. Thanks for dropping me a line that you liked it. Greg L (talk) 21:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• • See [1] Dabomb87 (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Please reconsider taking a break

It's not just because of Sapphic's loss of temper that I'm suggesting a break, although it certainly plays a part. I really think more progress would be made (in arriving at a community decision supported — and enforced — by ArbCom, as well as in getting the injunction lifted) if the named parties all removed themselves from the situation.

As for my comments about your son, I did NOT mean to imply that his trying out to be a SEAL was important to you and nobody else. If I'd meant that, I'd have written it that way. I don't like sarcasm or veiled insults, and prefer the more direct variety. If I'm not writing mean things to you, then you can be sure I'm not thinking mean thoughts about you when I write whatever I do write. I think in at least that one aspect of things, we have pretty similar views, and I definitely respect you for being able to shrug off insults.

I'm not posting anything to any of the dates-related pages for at least a week, I'm fairly sure I'll be able to convince Sapphic to do the same, and hopefully Locke Cole will follow suit. You can choose to keep posting, but I don't think you're actually helping your cause by doing so at this point, and you may in fact be hurting it. Most of the reason I picked the names I did is because we all seem to have a rather... "wordy" ... approach to things, and we're drowning out (and probably scaring off) other people who might want to voice their opinion.

You don't need to reply here if you don't want to, I'm not trying to strike up a conversation, I just wanted to let you know how I see things. Have a good day, --UC_Bill (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

• I did NOT mean to imply that his trying out to be a SEAL was important to you and nobody else. No worries; I didn’t take it that way. I responded only that it’s just not that he was “trying to be a SEAL” that was important to me. He is now working on being a Navy Diver. That is important to me now. I support him in anything he does. I want all my children to be happy, contributing members of society. As regards …I'm fairly sure I'll be able to convince Sapphic to do the same [not post anything to any of the dates-related pages for at least a week]: splendid news. I really do appreciate your stopping here to mend fences and ensure I correctly interpreted your intent with your post. I admire your style. Greg L (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

  P.S. Since you are more expert in this than anyone else, please advise if I have misstated any facts here in “Statement by Clerk Ryan Postlethwaite:” Again, I claim no “ownership” of that post; it is a live document. Please contribute to it. Greg L (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please stop calling things which clearly are not vandalism by that name (your reverts, your message on my talk page, and elsewhere). Doing so is a personal attack, and you should be well aware that personal attacks have no place on Wikipedia by now. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• Stop Wikilawyering. Your disruption is tedious. Greg L (talk) 17:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:mask appreciation

Another Hood Canal diving victim.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/mar/23/oregon-woman-dies-after-diving-accident-near/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westockwell (talk • contribs) 23:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

• I spoke with the county coroner over there a month ago. They have about one death a year at that spot. In the case you cited, it was two recreational divers. What I have a problem with is deaths of trainees while under professional supervision. In each case, there is a lack of a dive buddy to render assistance. There is no excuse for such a thing. Greg L (talk) 23:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

29 April 2007

Disruption at RfC

I agree with you, except that I removed his strike, all the subsequent exchanges, and the 'oppose' votes he put into the votes section. I felt that not to remove them would create confusion which will then be used to discredit the poll. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. PMAnderson has been warned here on the ANI not to make any changes to the structure of the RfC. Greg L (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Offensive?

Hi. Listen, I noticed you left a comment on my talk page. I don't particularly enjoy people who seem to think I'm an imbecile. I do not agree with some aspects of your "take-you-by-the-hand essay", and that is to be expected with differing viewpoints.

My point is, help articles should be understandable for those who need the points straight, not complex explanations. And that I felt your usage of "take-you-by-the-hand" was an insult to my intelligence.

I will say this - if you did not mean to insult me through the usage of that phrase, I humbly apologize. Daniel Benfield (talk) 02:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

• Holy smokes! My response here on your talk page. Greg L (talk) 02:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

• • Well, then I humbly apologize. I understand your point now. Sorry. DX Daniel Benfield (talk) 03:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking the time to let me know there’s no hard feelings. I much appreciate that. No problemo. Greg L (talk) 03:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Moved my Post

Hello, Greg L. You have new messages at Fightin' Phillie's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For maintaining my vote on the Wikipedia:Date formatting and linking poll with vigilance, an abundance of Tact, and an entirely calm point of view, I hereby bestow Greg L with the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar! Fightin' Phillie (talk) 18:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

That’s very kind of you. Thanks. Greg L (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

You’re Welcome sir. It would appear that your Son knows the value of voting; be sure to tell him this story sometime - and that an Air Force ROTC cadet wants him to keep goin'. Fightin' Phillie (talk) 19:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• Rest assured; I will. Greg L (talk) 19:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Redundancy exercises

Thanks. Yes, I hope they attract people to become editors at WP. I recommend a lot of academics and students visit them. Tony (talk) 08:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD of JEDEC memory standards

Hello,

You haven't edited the article in question, but since you are or have been actively involved in the IEC prefix discussion (sorry to remind you of it if you, like me, got tired of the uncivil discussion and wanted to have nothing to do with the issue anymore), I invite you to consider the nomination for deletion of the article JEDEC memory standards, which I believe can fairly be said to have been created only as a hammer for the discussion.

I beg you to try to keep your sentiments about the actual IEC prefix on Wikipedia question out of the deletion discussion and consider the merits of the deletion proposal, namely, notability in the Wikipedia sense (WP:N), regardless of which units you believe Wikipedia should use.

The deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JEDEC memory standards. --SLi (talk) 22:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads-up. You raised an important point. As you can see, my 2¢ was to “conditionally keep”. I would need more information about the full scope of JEDEC Standard 21 to know whether or not the article is misleading or not. Compared to other, profoundly trivial stuff on Wikipedia, the article clearly seems sufficiently notable. But, notable or not, the article can’t be misleading by focusing overly intently on a small portion of the standard to the exclusion of other parts that are just as important. Greg L (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Date formatting and linking poll

Please consider taking a step back on the date linking poll. Whilst I understand your frustration, the way you're putting across your views is becoming increasingly combative and not in line with a communal editing approach. A little more tact in your comments would help you put your point across a lot better. Regards, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 22:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• As regards my being combative, please explain how it is that Sapphic posts this:

“ OKAY, ASSHOLES. If you want to play the "last word" game then I can too. Here I was thinking Greg was finally being reasonable and at least addressing the relevant points rather than blindly repeating the same thing over and over and over, then he goes and pulls some shit where he not only fabricates a "quote" by me out of thin air but repeats the same tired bullshit that he had just acknowledged was irrelevant to the discussion in his previous reply. What the FUCK does the MB vs MiB argument (which affects what, a whopping few thousand articles at most?) have to do with this one, which affects the overwhelming majority of articles in the project? (Hint: nothing.) And thanks, Ohconfucius, for letting us know you're sick of the thread. JUST STOP FUCKING REPLYING THEN. I'm probably going to be blocked (again) for my potty-mouth (somehow all the personal attacks made by other people that don't involve curse words are okay, though..) so I won't be able to reply here anymore, but just in case I'm not blocked, I'll make you a deal — I won't reply to this section, or bring up this proposal again, as long as nobody else does. If you're so sick of it, then prove it. --Sapphic (talk) 01:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC) ”

…and she wasn’t even warned (let alone blocked) by you or anyone else? Let’s have some fairness and balance here. My arguing style might be a bit forceful at times, but it utterly pales in comparison to what she’s been doing. Greg L (talk) 23:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I called you names, Greg. I was angry because you made up a phony quote and attributed it to me. That's not an excuse, just an explanation. --Sapphic (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the apology. “Name calling”. *Pfift*. There is no need to apologize to me, as words like “asshole” is just another word like “dick-head”, which I am. Words like “fucking” is just an intensive signaling state of mind. Again, I couldn’t care less. But I can’t let you off the hook quite so easily with your “phony quote” allegation. If you had read what I actually wrote, you’d see I didn’t even imply that I was directly quoting you, but was summarizing your position. I wrote this:

“ I don’t have much sympathy for an argument that amounts to this: ”

(emphasis just now added) It seems clear enough to me that I wasn’t implying those words were a direct quote. My problem is with an oft-imperious attitude about admins and the resulting double-standard. You could call me a “donkey-fucking bastard” and not get warned. Try calling an admin a “poopy head” and see what happens… Greg L (talk) 01:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, one thing we seem to agree on is that the admins have too much power, and block people more according to whim than well-defined rules. --Sapphic (talk) 01:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick apology

I genuinely regret that I often don't express myself as clearly as I ought. Let me try to be plain:

1. I think linking of years needs to be done only if the target article actually provides something useful that isn't already in the article (or should be) - in other words, I estimate less than 0.01% of the time;
2. We need a rule to stop TE from linking 1990 fourty-eight times in each tennis article, so it has to be in MOS;
3. If we anticipate the "opposition's" arguments (like "one day, all our year articles will be worth linking"), they can be defused more easily - as Tony has ably demonstrated;
4. Moreover, if we provide them with the argument and they fail to use it, we nullify the cries of "but there is this extra reason that should have been included" when it looks like they are losing.

I know you already know all this, but I wanted you to know that I know <grin>. And I'm also sorry I didn't contribute more to the construction of the poll: I was watching, but it looked good to me and I really had nothing extra to add. --RexxS (talk) 03:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• I sure appreciate that you took the time to come here and clarify your thoughts, RexxS. As you could see from my two self-reverts, I (finally) carefully read your post and understood that you feel basically as you more fully described above. It’s my fault that I didn’t read it more closely. And, by the way, I fully agree with everything your wrote. I don’t see any value in links to these compendiums of pure historical trivia. The articles themselves aren’t bad; it’s just that links are supposed to take readers to related material or more detailed material—not totally irrelevant material. Greg L (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! And there was one more point I forgot to add:

5. We actually benefit from 1346. It provides an irrefutable argument that a few year-links are required - i.e. the link from 1340s to 1346 is a good year-link (about the only one in the whole encyclopedia!). Which means that we can show those that are asking for "no date links" that Option 1 actually must be their preferred option.

Not that it matters, I guess. There's the proverbial snowball's chance that there's not going to be consensus for Option 1. Politely convincing everybody of that is another matter, of course. Best --RexxS (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Quoting you: …convincing everybody of that is another matter. The arbitrators have to jump off the USS Pussyout and settle it. The community has clearly said there have been enough RfCs. Greg L (talk) 23:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I tried...

[2] Don't waste your time on it, just forget and move on. If he raises any more trouble, just bring it up with a clerk or whatever. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Just giving him a taste of his own medicine to see if he is galactically clueless or just a dick. I don’t really give a rat’s ass. Greg L (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• P.S. I figured it out. He is just a WP:DICK. See here on TE’s talk page. I instructed him that he is not welcome to edit my userspace. Greg L (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)