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New Page Patroller

Dear Sir, I have recently volunteered to be the new page patroller. I am still learning. I saw your edits and was very much impressed. I need your guidance for the same. I hope you can give me some tips and your expert advise. Have a good day. Nefirious (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC).

Swine Flu

Dear Sir, can you update with the picture of Australia in the Swine Flu page? One dead. Wormow (talk) 14:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advise

Dear sir, I would really like to thank you for guiding me. I will definitely adhere to the policies of Wikipedia and make concerted efforts to improve the quality of articles. Thanks for the assistance. I am aiming to be an administrator in future if and at all am able to maintain a good record. Nefirious (talk) 11:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again

I have started to use the edit summary. Maybe I was a bit absent minded and might have forgotten to use the edit summary sometimes. So if the picture does not qualify for a fair use image then what is it that I have to do. Do I delete the picture myself or is there any alternate  ? Nefirious (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You can tag with the speedy delete, or you can ask me to delete it for you. I think the alternative is that you down load a map of Europe, of which you should be able to find plenty on commons, and draw on those invasions yourself, together with any labeling required. If the book is very old it may be public domain. When was it published and where? You may be able to find an old book with a map too, this history should not have changed much in the last 100 years. An administrator will need to have a good idea of copyright and how it applies to Wikipedia, so this is a chance to prove your skill! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Sir, I would really appreciate if you delete the picture for me. Secondly, I have decided to redraw the picture. Though the book was published way back in the year 1967, I still feel that it would be of appropriate for me to redraw the map. I would once again like to thank you for your help and support. I'll be a bit more careful the next time I upload a pic. I'll carefully go through the wiki policies. You are an administrator who is not only helpful but polite. Looking forward for more assistance. Nefirious (talk) 14:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Precious assistance

Thank you for having come to my rescue to help fix the blunder I had made by duplicating articles. I am still learning and thanks to Wikipedians like you... I am REALLY learning! McMarcoP (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC).

IFU

You may wish to readd US Virgin Island that was put in by Vrysxy, but uploaded anyway. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. It's at IFU, along with a new blank map to go along with it. (A different blank, since this new blank now includes the US VI, so people have the choice between having the VI or not)

70.29.212.226 (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok... bugfix. If you didn't already process this, the correct version is now up at the /svg/ pages. Sorry about that. Hopefully cluebot won't do a reversion on it, since it shrunk the info by 7kB. 70.29.212.226 (talk) 07:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan and Farid al-Atrash

Graeme: user Supreme Deliciousness is starting an edit war again on referenced articles. 3rd-party ruling has already been requested, and you have required certain evidence to be presented. You required evidence from the two opponents to show that those musicians immigrated to Egypt or to show that they were Syrian when adult, respectively. I have presented the evidence you required weeks ago, and SD has provided none. The google links that he provoded today do not constitute the evidence you required and I will rebutt them shortly. Could you please monitor those articles and not allow them to be changed before 3rd-party ruling or consensus? Regards, --98.195.180.144 (talk) 21:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Two pages protected for a week, please no more edit war. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett, this issue has to be settled. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep discussing on the talk page. Rather than here! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Article War Between Avery_player2011 and Person User talk:Michael herc

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Though this is my opinion, I believe the dispute on the Article Deford, Michigan has led false information to be posted on the page by Michael herc out of rage. I have viewed past edits by Avery_player2011 to be true with some mistakes (Notable Landmarks etc.). I believe the last edit posted by Avery_player2011 should remain as the page's final edit but it dose need to be fixed and edited in such away that it is true. If you do care, leave me a message and if I seem a tad offensive to you or those listed above i'm truly sorry but I believe that truthfulness is the most important thing to this site. Bernette

No. This is a My computer. It could be that we are using the same internet line or our IP address are very similar. Bernette 01:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC) I will provide sited information!

That citation should resolve the issue. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No. This is a My computer. It could be that we are using the same internet line or our IP address are very similar. Bernette 01:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC) I will provide sited information!

Cited Sources:

• History of Tuscola and Bay Counties, Michigan: with illustrations and biographical sketches of some of their prominent men and pioneers. Ann Arbor, Mich.: University of Michigan Library. 2005 [1883]. Retrieved 2009-03-08.

• Cass City Public Schools

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• WWW.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_City_High_School

• http://www.michigan.gov/cgi/0,1607,7-158-52927_53037_12540_13084---,00.html

and may more!

would it be ok if i redid the entire article? Bernette 01:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

You can rewrite if you wish, but it is a good idea to retain all the good features, otherwise someone else will revert it. Use those ref tags to attach your references to the relevent facts in the article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If I may chime in, since this is about me. I happened to verify much of my information and must protest that in fact Avery_player2011 is the user with false information throughout much of this article. Not only do I back my information up, but I happen to live 6 miles from Deford and the fact that anybody could possibly say these things is wrong to me. I have current data from the MHSAA website about the Cass City School District: [1] which shows that there are currently 465 students enrolled at the high school, making it a Class C district. Also from the Census Bureau, this shows that Deford's ZIP Code (48729) is home to 1,611 residents: [2] I do not have any pictures of the actual Deford, Michigan but I can promise you that the pictures on this site are of Cass City, Michigan mostly. Michael herc (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If i may, I have reviewed most of the information on the page and have added new resources. Cass city played State quiz bowl this year and play on the Class A bracket due to its amount of students. I have checked these pictures and have proved them to be of Deford, Michigan. I have reviewed my sources and They are true! The Census dose not collect data for the area and the only way the population is counted is through the towns Library. Bernette 04:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Michigan High School Athletic Association claims the school is class C, you guys will have to explain that it is C, and you can mention other teams may be in their class A or B or whatever if there is a supporting ref. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Cass City High School has 1,943 students according to Michigan.gov and the schools website Ny Definition, this makes Cass City a Class A. In sports, Cass City is problem considered a Class B/C due to the lack or bigger schools in the area. Thanks for input and I hope we can solve this problem soon. Bernette 04:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If you read more carefully, you will notice that Cass City School District had 1,943 students for the entire district at that time. However, at this time in 2009, according to MHSAA, Cass City High School currently has 465 students. I must also say, as I have before and I cannot make this any more clearer without being rude, that I live next to Deford, Michigan. There is no downtown area at all. I'm not sure where you are getting this information but if this information is telling you it is Deford, it is incorrect. The pictures that are being posted on the site are in fact of Cass City, Michigan. This would be like somebody coming on here saying that my hometown of Caro somehow sprouted a mall, or any other makeup of somebody's mind. I really want to end this, but I'm afraid this will go on indefinitely as long as false information is being posted by Avery_player2011 as well as, apparently, Bernette. Just to verify my sources further, I also have this site: [3] which further proves my point about Cass City High School. I also have this source to further my case about the population of the entire ZIP code of Deford (which includes the hamlet itself) just in case the Census Bureau is not enough: [4] which still shows the population at being at 1,611. I understand the Census doesn't count the actual town of Deford and show the population itself, but it does to the ZIP code, which includes all of Deford proper. It is very strange that the population currently listed on the Deford, Michigan page is strikingly similar to the population of the village of Caro. Mrhercli89 (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have rewritten him and told him that these two links do provide information that are as listed true but some of the information provided that situation of Deford since it is spread about over 3 townships and part of the community is registered with a Cass City zip. For the area of Deford, the population of the community is 4,067l. Bernette 05:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

But as I said in the post on my talk page, you cannot include the population of another town in with another town because that does not make sense. For instance, the population of the village of Caro is about 4,068 (strangely close to what yours says), however, the 48723 ZIP code is 12,794 [5] which is straight from the Census Bureau just like I received the 48729 ZIP. Since the hamlet of Deford (which the article is about) lies entirely within the 48729 ZIP, I can only assume that the population of the hamlet of Deford is actually less than 1,611. When you go to the Census Bureau's FactFinder page, you can type in 48729 and look at a reference map of the area of which it encompasses.

Caro's Wikipedia page said that its population is 4,151 in 2006! Sorry for all the trouble (talk)and thank you for being kind and realistic about this issue. You do really care and I hope we can resolve this as soon as we can. Thank you for you consideration. Bernette 05:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I do really care about these issues. This is what I do. I love it. I'm just trying to explain how we're actually probably arriving at different numbers and such. But I think we're looking at the ZIPs and such in different ways so it's creating a standstill. But as for the Caro page, that was back before the recession hit Michigan and it started losing people. You have to view the Census Bureau's website for more accurate information. Caro has decreased in population just like every other town.

But as you may know, Caro is a powerhouse of jobs that may people are taking. Deford's population has increased due to the fact that is is near Caro, Cass City, Kingston, Bad Axe, and Saginaw. All these place havebig populations and need a labor force in which their communities cannot provide so what happens? This town, which is in the center of all these places, becomes a hot stop to live and a population explosion happens. Thank you for considering my view Bernette 05:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand that you have posted back on my talk page, but this is just totally ridiculous. Just because you'd read something about Deford or believe something to be true does not make it true. You have to actually go there and see for yourself. I invite you to drive through Deford, down Deckerville Road and tell me what you see. I cannot believe this. As my friend and I have seen when we drove through Deford just yesterday, we saw nothing but a few trailers here and there and a dead "downtown" area with one gas station. I don't know what you see, but that's what I see, as well as my friends and family.

I have been through Deford many times and have even stopped in town. it is not just a couple of Trailers but neighborhoods and a vibrant downtown area that during much of the day dose seem to be dead. Bernette 05:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know what to say to you. I cannot believe this. Totally unbelievable. I think I'll have to take some pictures like tomorrow and post them on here. Wow.

And whats not to say that these are of an actually of a small populated area like Sonver? What if you do take photos that mislead this person in believing that you are true? I can make Caro seem like Deford with some misleading photos too! Sorry for all the trouble Bernette 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Well the last time I checked (yesterday), Deford was a small populated area. I'll make sure that I take pictures that are unmistakably Deford. If you choose to delete them again and instead put pictures of Cass City, we'll know who's the real liar here. I live next to Deford, you don't. I have firsthand experience with the hamlet. This lying is going to end. I cannot believe it is being allowed to continue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrhercli89 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe that would be considered WP:OR which is a big no-no here. (apologies to Graeme for this continuing on his talk page). Toddst1 (talk) 06:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have been through Deford many time as well. And asdly to say, those pictures are of Deford, Not Cass City, Not Caro, DEFORD! an too agree with you in saying that i cannot belive this is allowed to continued. Sorry for all the Trouble Bernette 06:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am very sorry this is going on. But I don't know how Bernette is being allowed to openly give false information about something when somebody like me is trying to speak the truth. I'm not sure what else to do. It is very hard to see lies allowed on Wikipedia and administrators allow this to happen. Just as a last statement and also a source for backing me up, here's google maps. You can do the satellite view and zoom in on Deford there and tell me where anything that's considered a "downtown" is located or anything other than a gas station and a few homes. [6]Mrhercli89 (talk) 06:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I really tried to bring trustful and reliable information to the subject and just to add, the google maps haven't been updated for 3 years. I really give up and on this subject, i back down. if he wants to keep lying then there is little that I can do to stop him. Thank you for your time and for your view, you are truly dedicated to your work and I will leave you alone now. sorry for all the commotion. Bernette 06:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Strong suggestion: Move this discussion to Talk:Deford, Michigan so we can stop bothering Graeme. Toddst1 (talk) 06:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Deford, MI Page Delete

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I was wondering if it was possible to delete the page Deford, Michigan? I believe that the amount of information on the page, including pictures, are so incredibly false that it warrants deletion. There are only a few things on the page that are even left that are true. Mrhercli89 (talk) 06:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No. Not at this point.

Strong suggestion: Move this discussion to Talk:Deford, Michigan so we can stop bothering Graeme. Toddst1 (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Lake BG FAR

I've done some more work on it, added stuff about Kingston, and accounted for all the statements. I guess strcture and polish are remaining. Please do comment/reply on the structure. Thanks YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 08:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Maharmah

Thanks for bringing Maharmah back from the netherworld. I'm somewhat disturbed to see that the article was deleted on June 2nd claiming CSD:A7 when the log shows that there wasn't even a CSD on the article at the time. Can you confirm this?

Also, now that I see the content of Maharmah, I'd be tempted to CSD:A1: I can't figure out the context of what's written. I won't because I'd like to find a peacable way to get the article either fixed or get the original author to understand why it's being deleted in order to prevent further troubles. —  X  S  G  05:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It is very hard to understand, but A1 is not right, as there is some idea of what the topic is. Userification until it is good could be the way to go. In fact I will userfy it for him. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I did not restore the speedy delete tag, otherwise it may have been scrapped again very fast. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

give it a subst:prod|reason tag if you think it is non controversial, otherwise AfD if it looks complex! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Does this mean that the history of the article is now incomplete due to a partial restoration? I'm not criticising, I'm honestly curious. —  X  S  G  05:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

A1 doesn't seem quite right to me either, but primarily based on the A1 caveat that it's for small articles which don't really reference the text. For my own edification, were I to run across this article in the mainspace, would the most appropriate manner of removing it from Wikipedia be via AfD?

Re: Moving to userspace: A wise move. I've never seen that done before, and I applaud it. Thanks for righting a wrong, in any case. I've added my thoughts to the discussion page in hopes of helping the editor move the article forward. —  X  S  G  05:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

give it a subst : prod tag with a reason if it is non controversial, or an AfD if it s complicated or controversial. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan

Hey. Just thought you might want to know that your involvement with the Asmahan article has been mentioned repeatedly on the talk page, and that some editors there have requested your input. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you again, but I think we could use another hand here, or at least some advice. I came up with what I thought was a decent solution (which Supreme Deliciousness agreed to), but Arab Cowboy won't agree with it. Normally in this case I'd post on the appropriate Wikiproject, but there really isn't one. I suppose I could post on both the Syria and Egypt projects, but I wonder if this issue we're having now would just be magnified. But I think it's really just Arab Cowboy who's pushing some sort of POV (which has been echoed by another outsider). Given the fact that this has been going on for over two months now, I'm not entirely convinced that he's going to be agreeable. So what do you recommend? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

• Annyong, your post above shows your misunderstanding of the evidence, which you later acknowledged on the Talk page of Asmahan. The evidence submitted by SD was a misquotation from the source, to put it politely, and was in reference to a different musician, NOT Asmahan; you had not verified the evidence at the source before you agreed with it. So, as you later acknowledged, my position was not a POV. It was, and still is, the only position that is backed by reliable sources.
• Graeme, your input is indeed requested. SD is AGAIN reverting the Asmahan and Farid al-Atrash articles without consensus. All evidence presented so far has backed my position. He has made no argument at all on Farid's Talk page during the "protection" period and has presented no evidence to challenge the information that has been on the aricle. Please stop his reverts.

Regards, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirects

Just so you know, there was no previous Mfd for those 2 specific redirects, so closing the discussion early was out of line based on that fact and the fact that there is not a single policy anywhere on Wikipedia that says such redirects are banned/barred/dis-allowed. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here} 00:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

There was a previous MfD for some very similar ones! result was delete. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Western Sahara.png

On File:Coat of arms of Western Sahara.png, I have put back the date to one that will actually put it in a category that will get deleted. By backdating you put it in a category that will never be deleted. You may think that the image has no source, there must be one, even if it is a hoax. If it is a hoax it would have been much better to nominate it at WP:FFD, as even with no source it may be valid to keep. Speedy deletion only has a limited number of reasons for use that are subject to a policy. If they are outside that, it should be discussed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

It does have a source, of course, just not one that is allowed. Maybe when the time expires this time you guys will manage to keep it deleted? ¦ Reisio (talk) 09:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Archive speedys

Hi Graeme, thanks for speedying my archive requests, if you could help me a little more..I you look at my talk page and my archives you will see the pages are now in red and deleted just I want to rid myself of the red on my talk page. How can I get rid of them as well? (Off2riorob (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC))

It's ok now, thank you. (Off2riorob (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC))

That is good, because I had no idea apart from purge the cache. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Urgent Help Requested

Graeme, Arab Cowboy is asking that you please see his Talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arab_Cowboy and see if you can provide a critical and fair assessment of the block issued there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nefer Tweety (talk • contribs) 10:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Bad page deletions

Hello Graeme Barlett, you recently visted the Wirecast page that I created. It had been marked for deletion but you stopped it from that, and I thank you. I am fairly new to Wikipedia and am doing my best to make all information correct and referenced. The problem I currently have is that some of my other pages are up for deletion and I am fearful that they will be deleted before I can completely refrence them. One of them has already been deleted: ScreenFlow. And the others are on the chopping block by User:Tetromino. Please look at these pages and tell me what I can do to make them vaild. Telestream, Episode/Episode Pro, Episode Engine. You seemed to believe that the Wirecast page was valid enough, so if you can help me do this to the rest of the pages, I would be extremely grateful. Thank you, --Ballplyr86 (talk) 17:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

you will have to go to the Afd pages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Telestream and explain why the articles should be kept. There seems to be a strong case for Telestream to be kept. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Unable to upload an image.

Hi. Still I'm unable to upload an image. Though I've done more than 10 edits, I'm not coming in the list of AutoConfirmed User. How can I apply for administratorship?

Sukhoi30mki (talk) 12:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

What about License?

How can I prevent other users and administrators or any other website of Wiki to use any image which I upload and if anyone wants to use the image uploaded by me he/she can't use it without my permission. So is there any specific license which suits my wants?

Thank you, Sukhoi30mki (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)