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Hi, Annie. Please read WP:NOT; that list is an indiscriminate collection of unencyclopedic content that does not belong on Wiki. I'm not so concerned with whatever you want to do with the kids' articles, but Wolff is linked to a template from a featured article, and I prefer to keep it clean and in conformance with Wiki guidelines as possible. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please have a look at WP:OVERLINKing. Words which people who speak English commonly understand do not need to be linked, and a sea of blue is not good in articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SandyGeorgia, Thank you for explaining that to me. ATC (talk) 03:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome; and thank you for the thanks :-) Happy editing! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SandyGeorgia,
I have a question. On the wikitable for the list of Naked Brothers Band episodes, I want to add -- the Writer, Producer, Director, Executive Producer, Music Supervisor/Producer, and Composer (Music Score). I tried adding -- !Writer !Director...etc. in the appropriate spot and previewed it, but it did not work. Can you explain to me how to do so?
ATC (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I won't be able to get to that today, Annie; maybe someone else who follows my talk page will help or I will get to it tomorrow or the next day. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Annie, I had a look and I don't see an easy or attractive way to do what you want to do. I suggest you browse here for another article that does something similar, and copy from there. Good luck. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SandyGeorgia, on the episode list of Lost it has that example, but the wikitable is formated completely different. ATC (talk) 03:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the link --> List of Lost episodes. ATC (talk) 03:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, past my bedtime, I'll look tomorrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Annie, instead of trying to mess around with a table, which is complicated, why not just add this info under the Songs performed in each episode, with a new text line? Then you don't even have to mess around with figuring out a table. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: List of The Naked Brothers Band episodes

Hi, I'm afraid this isn't really my area of expertise. It looks like the article makes use of Template:Episode list - hopefully the documentation there will help to answer your question. If not, it might be worth raising it at Template talk:Episode list; I'm sure someone there will be able to advise. Hope this helps, Waggers (talk) 14:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Annie, autism is a featured article, one of Wiki's finest and using only the highest quality, peer reviewed sources. You're introducing text that is not supported by such sources; I suggest you carefully discuss any intended edits to that article on the talk page, as the text you are adding will not survive there, because it is not well sourced and belongs in other articles, even if sourced. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SandyGeogia, I wanted to explain that Early Intervention may not only help gain self-care and social skills, but that you can get completely better from it. The word cure is complicated, people think either it means medically or get completely better from it. That's why I also put medical cure, because it's a development disorder. Through early diagnoses and therapy, they can get out of their private world and start to join ours. But they will still be on the autistic spectrum. If I find a reliable source and ref tag, could I add it on the talk page, and can you help me determine if I could change the wording. ATC (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that text has already been ajusted and is dealt with in other articles. Pls have a look at WP:UNDUE. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am forwarding all of this to the talk page. ATC (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will leave the Autism article only. ATC (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

How come you don't indent in paragraphs on Wiki? AnnieTigerChucky (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We thread/indent discussions on talk pages (see WP:TALK guidelines), but not on articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It explained only about indenting on Talk Pages, I also wanted know why you don't indent in articles. AnnieTigerChucky (talk) 22:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because articles follow conventional paragraphs as in any formal writing; we only indent discussions to be able to see who said what in what order. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

listen, a TV movie takes up 2 production codes, and The NBB has 13 episodes produced, not the total. So Season 1 has 11 episodes, and 1 TV movie, Battle of the Bands. Season 2 has 9 episodes, and 2 TV movies. Season 3 im not sure yet.--Wikialexdx (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the reply. I posted one as well. Glad we can finally work together on this. JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 03:55, 30 April 2008 (CDT)


After looking in the wrong spot for your comment/question for a while like an idiot, I finally found it. Unfortunately, I do not know the answer. Sorry. I posted it on the discussion page as well. JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 04:51, 4 May 2008 (CDT)


Is it confirmed there will only be 12 episodes for season 2? I saw that edit today and was wondering if you could tell me where you found that information since there has been so much debate over how many episodes there will be. Thanks. JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 01:10, 12 May 2008 (CDT)


You'd be surprised how often the numbers 13, 22, and 26 show up in general as total episodes in seasons depending on the network and type of show. 13 is often used when shows begin in January, which is usually mid-season since "full seasons" generally run from September until May. It gets kind of confusing, but based on the 13 being a very common number when seasons begin in January, NBB seemed to follow that trend. While we're on the subject, why did you think there were going to be 14? Thanks for the source! JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 03:00, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Book References

Dear SandyGeorgia,
How do you view a Book Reference on Wiki?
I tried doing so. But, the closest think it sent me to was Wiki and then to a store that sells the book.
You are allowed to reference a book, but you can't view the reference until you buy it or am I doing something wrong? Please respond back on my talk page. Thanx! ATC (talk) 21:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Annie, nothing in WP:V requires that our sources be available online; sometimes a trip to the library is actually necessary to verify a source :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SandyGeorgia,
On the autism article it states that it's a brain development disorder. I thought it was a neurological disorder. Wouldn't it be better to say that, it's a neurological disorder where the cells in your brain is mixed up. Unless did a peer view scientific article state that it's a brain development disorder. And I don't see the difference between neurodevelopmental disorder or neurology (neurological disorder). ATC (talk) 22:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Annie, Eubulides has done most of the writing there, and he is scrupulous about sticking to sources; maybe you could raise the question at Talk:Autism ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Annie, just so you'll know, both Eubulides and I have the article talk pages watched, so we'll always see posts there; you can save yourelf the time of having to post to the editors' talk page as well, because Eubulides will see your message and most likely get to it as soon as he can. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Son-Rise and plurals

Re this change: The plural of "Kaufman" is "Kaufmans". It is not "Kaufman's", which would be the possessive form. See, for example, [1], which says 'When a family name (a proper noun) is pluralized, we almost always simply add an "s." So we go to visit the Smiths, the Kennedys, the Grays, etc.' Can you please change "Kaufman's" back to "Kaufmans"? Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 21:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Study

Hi,
I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, Sam4bc (talk) 18:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ATC. Thanks for your question. The survey of medical information on WP is precisely because it is becoming a more popular source of medical information for patients around the world. Little is known about the quality of this medical information (or, more importantly, how high and low quality articles differ). Although we are doing a broad survey, we are also focusing on certain articles (e.g. Autism). :Don't hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions. I appreciate your time.geraldckane (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the delay in responding. I'm much quicker if you post a response on user_talk:Geraldckane
I'd be very happy about any insight you'd be able to offer regarding my study. We are carefully studying several articles you are interested in, including Autism, Bipolar disorder, and Alzheimer's. I am also conducting a social network study on the collaboration patterns among editors. Very interesting. Feel free to drop me an email as well. geraldckane (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I got your message. Let's wait until there IS a source, or Nickelodeon confirms it. Besides, look for some sources to also Mystery Girl and Operation Mojo, if you can find them.--Wikialexdx (talk) 01:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Annie. Autism is a featured article and all of the text is carefully vetted and reviewed to conform to the exact wording supported by the sources cited. Also, WP:LEAD lays out the requirements for a lead, and WP:MEDMOS for each section. I'm going to revert the article to the previous version, as your changes stray from the sources or Wikipedia's guidelines. Please suggest changes on the talk page, where other editors will discuss and incorporate them. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that a similar problem occurred with Son-Rise; please see Talk:Son-Rise #Unsourced claims for more. Eubulides (talk) 04:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion is to propose specific wording changes on the article's talk page first, in a new talk-page section. Asperger syndrome is a featured article in which nearly every phrase is linked to a cited source somewhere and in which multiple Wikipedia editors have looked over it, and we'd like further changes to be just as good as, if not better than, what's in there now.. Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The normal procedure is to keep a talk page's threads chronological, so I undid that. No big deal; it's just the custom, that's all. Eubulides (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Annie; I wanted to let you know that Steve (talk · contribs) is one of the more experienced WP:FILM project editors, and he is doing a nice job of improving The Tic Code in accordance with the standards of the film project. Since he knows the guidelines for editing film articles, we should take care to discuss on talk before changing his improvements. I hope this note finds you well, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: The Naked Brothers Band

Hello, I will be happy to take a look at the articles. I will try to do so in about six hours or so. If I'm not poking around by then, feel free to nudge me! :) —Erik (talkcontrib) 14:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought I was going to have some free time yesterday. Real life intervened. Let me see if I can help out with anything either today or tomorrow. Week's still busy... —Erik (talkcontrib) 14:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi ATC, welcome to the project. Since you said you're willing to offer help, i'd like your opinion on this article. Do you have any suggestions on how it can be improved? Cheers! John Sloan (view / chat) 03:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice ATC! And call me John ;-) - I'm going offline (and to bed, its 3.37am here) in a few minutes. So i'll put some of your suggestions into action tomorrow. Unless of course, you wish to do it yourself! I'd have no objections. Thanks again and good night! :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 03:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Without doubt. Its just best to leave the header out until a plot is actually written. Sorry, didn't mean to come across as reverting you :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 22:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New empty articles

A friendly bit of advice - you might want to add a {{Underconstruction}} tag to articles you push out with no content other than infoboxes. I understand you're working on them, but people doing new pages patrol might tag them for deletion. Cheers! §FreeRangeFrog 05:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you were working on those episode articles but it's inappropriate to leave underconstruction tags for weeks at a time, especially since you clearly went to work on others things. Since the articles weren't anything more than just infobox placeholders, I have redirected them all back to List of The Naked Brothers Band episodes. If you have actual content to add there, (and it should more than in-universe details) just undo the redirect and add it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Son-Rise: A Miracle of Love GA Review

I've done the review on the article Son-Rise: A Miracle of Love and I've had to fail it, it's just not up to "Good Article" standards, I've left comments on the talk page for you. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the GA criterias as well. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have placed the GAN on hold - there are some points that need to be addressed. Please see Talk:The Tic Code#GA_Review. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)

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March 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. MathCool10 Sign here! 02:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't l logged in. I'm User:ATC. Please put it on my talk page. ATC . Talk 19:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie

The WP:HATNOTE says "Not to be confused with Camp Rock, Camp Rock 2, or Jonas Brothers: The 3D Concert Experience." If a person typed in The Naked Brothers Band looking for this movie, why the heck would they be confused with a Jonas Bothers movie with a completely different name? I think those links are more appropriate for a see also section. Reywas92Talk 01:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Brothers Band Episodes / TV Specials

Hello. I have a few questions for you that hopefully you can answer for me.

1. Where can I find a source/proof that "No School Fool's Day" is actually an episode?
2. Is the episode title "No School Fool's Day" or "No School's Fool Day" or something different? The main page and list of episodes page have conflicting titles for it.
3. Is "No School Fool's Day" considered a TV Special or an episode? Again, the main page and list of episodes page have conflicting information. The main page calls it a TV Special, but it is listed as a general episode under the season 3 section of the list of episodes page as opposed to it being listed under the "TV Specials" category. If you think it is a TV Special, why?
4. Why are the two concert specials for season 2 considered episodes under the season 2 section and not TV Specials under the "TV Specials" section?

Thanks for your help. JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for answering my questions and for providing some clarification. I'm also wondering if it is confirmed that the show is actually ending after this season and if so, is there a source out there that you know of that I can look at? Also, I apologize for messing up the whole "and" and "&" thing. I didn't think it made a difference so I was just trying to be consistent. I'll try to be more careful in the future. Thanks again for your help. JLKTENNIS43 (talk) 06:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: References

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Naked Brothers Band

When I last looked at the article, I saw some serious problems in the well-written department, and if I remember correctly, I suggested a copyedit by the league of copyeditors. I'll follow up with a full review in the coming 24 hours. - Mgm|(talk) 08:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit Request

I appreciate the request, however I am currently swamped with non-wikipedia responsibilities and don't have time to tackle an article. Sorry for not being able to help. Hopefully I will be able to help you in the future. GL with the article. Washburnmav (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ATC. :) The article does need a lot of help with copyediting, and I've begun working on it some. A few sentences are hard for me to fix, though, because I'm not aware of the topic and what certain phrases were supposed to mean, so I can't promise anything. However, I will give it a brief copyedit through, and perhaps drop a few notes on your talkpage if I can't clarify something. Best, JamieS93 13:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, okay. I figured I'd run into a few issues like that—the first wording + second interpretation = different meaning. I'm about to start a section at the article's talkpage asking for a few clarifications, so we can move the discussion there. Best, JamieS93 23:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Toni Seawright

Good job on the revisions of Toni Seawright. I've revised my !vote on the AfD. I could probably go ahead and close it early myself, but I'll let a neutral admin take a look at it, to be safe. I'm pretty sure it'll be closed with a keep, though. —C.Fred (talk) 17:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Brothers copyedit

I've done it. Can you go through it and remove the repeat occurrences of the people's full names. Full names only need to be used once, and after that only the surname is used (normally), but since this is about some kids, and some people have the same surname, it should be ok to use the first naems for kids and surnames for adults. Also for future writing, contractions like "won't" are not allowed on Wikipedia -> "will not". Another technique that I use a lot is to try and avoid using the same noun in the sentence more than once because it is considered clumsy, eg "A + N did this and A said" --> "A + N did this and the former/latter said". A lot of the changes were because of that. A good guide is the prose manual on teh user page of Tony1 (talk · contribs). Are you looking at A FAC? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, date formats in the refs are inconsistent. In some cases they are missing YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 05:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, we're not supposed to use Mrs/Mr titles etc in articles YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 23:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DIR/Floortime

I followed up at Talk:Autism therapies #DIR/Floortime. Eubulides (talk) 06:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have reviewed this article as the original reviewer seems to have lost interest. It is on hold for a few minor adjustments. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to check with Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) before the FAC about the sources. She is an expert in analysing the acceptability of sources YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've replied as well YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 00:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well done YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 04:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is one sentence that seemed confusing so I couldn't copyedit it YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar if you meant it for me? Jezhotwells (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding citations in the lede

Hi, I saw your question over at Jezhotwell's talk page. In general, citations are not required in the lede. See WP:Lead#Citations. Normally they are not required in the plot summary either, since the source is the film itself. decltype (talk) 05:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, great! Glad to help. decltype (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Responding to this thread on my talk page. First of all, great work on the article so far; it's come on leaps and bounds since I last looked at it. I'm especially pleased to see a good-sized section on the development and production, written from an out of universe perspective; many film articles seem content just to rehash plot and character details—yours doesn't.

As it stands, I don't think the article is quite ready for FAC. If I were reviewing the article, I wouldn't insist upon a "Themes" or "Interpretations" section; for a film of this type, I don't see that it's within the article's scope, so that's OK. However, I would consider it not comprehensive if it lacked critical reception, release and audience reception details (should these be available). These are especially important for assessing the film's impact, which is a major facet of a standard film article's encyclopedic content. Reviews can perhaps be sourced from one (or more) of three time periods: when it first appeared at the film festival; when it was first broadcast; when it was released on DVD. There may also be some retrospective coverage, and perhaps a review from a publication that targets the same intended audience would be appropriate (teen magazines, etc).

By "release", I mean details of its first appearance at the Hamptons festival (which you already have) alongside television broadcast dates and DVD release dates. Audience reception would cover things such as television viewing figures, DVD sales and popularity (it spawned a TV series, so people must have liked it). Some of the more surprising claims may need supporting citations alongside those that point direct to interviews and webcasts from the Draper/Wolff family (e.g. that Alex learned to play the saxophone at the age of two). These are my initial thoughts, and while I'm sure I haven't covered everything, I don't think there's anything else major to add in terms of how the article is structured and what type of information it presents (though whether it comprehensively does so is something only an extended hunt for sources will reveal).

One small point to consider: be wary of expanding what is in the cited articles with your own personal knowledge. For example, the statement that "Nat wrote his first song, titled "Mama Don't Let Me Cry", at the age of five" is not fully supported by the cited article, which simply states that "Nat ... has been writing music since he was 5." Every line in the article needs to be verifiable; even if you know something to be true, including it without a cast-iron citation might be considered original research. Otherwise, nice work. I hope to see the article at FAC at some point in the future. All the best, Steve TC 13:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Jezhotwells (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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TV show

Sure. Anything in particular? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can lock things for you YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

If you take a look at the WP:FAC page, you will see your nomination at the top of the page (except for Matthew Boulton, which was just nominated after yours). The newest nominations go to the top of the page, and that's why I fixed your nomination. In addition, the next time you nominate a FAC, make sure to follow the instructions at the top of the page. I already added the template for you on the talk page so that visitors who go to the talk page will have a direct link to the FAC nomination. If you need further clarification, let me know, and best wishes on your nomination. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 21:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I was just a little confused as I thought you could still see your nomination. The page is definitely laid out differently than WP:GAN. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 00:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit request

Hi ATC, I'm pretty swamped at the moment, but I'll have a look to see what needs to be done and get back to you in a few days if that's okay. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a preliminary copy-edit. Have a look and let me know whether you object to any of the changes. Also, this may sound stupid, but it might be a good idea to insert a sentence in the lead, or in the "development" section about how old Nat and Alex are in the show's first episode. This is a long article, (but nicely done), so it'll take a little while to get through it all. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Encounterments isn't a real word, so it had to be changed. I'll have a look at the source, and reword if necessary. I have some suggestions for overall improvements that I'll post on the article talk page as soon as I've finished looking at the entire article and all the sources. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The three dictionaries I've checked don't have the word "encounterments." However, let me know if you can find it, then we'll keep it in. I won't be able to work on the article until later anyway. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've been through the entire article and posted a list of suggestions for changes on the discussion page. Some of them you'll have to make decisions about, so read the suggestions and then we'll keep the discussion on the article talk page. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I'm trying to tackle the cliches. I replaced "object of affection" with "love interest" typically used to describe characters in plays, TV shows, movies and books. But I wanted your opinion on the phrase. If you don't like it, I think leaving "object of affection" is fine. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Naked Brothers Band

Replied here. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied here. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner (regarding the Spinal Tap/Brothers request) - Im not sure Im a good source to confer on this topic. I havent been very active on the site in sometime. I believed all of my photos were of fair use and well attributed. However over time theyve been edited and many of the credible attributions were disputed to the point I felt it wasnt worth fighting for them further. I also saw blatant conflicts emerge a couple years back when the creater of Wiki edited his own bio, deleting some past indiscretions. Growing contradictions left me a little cold to spending much time contributing. Might want to consult one of the major managers!

Nat & Alex images

Have a look at this image & site. Then have a look at the Hannah Montana wiki article that provides an explanation to use a photo. So, possibly if the photo is "promotional" it's usable. Also, you could contact Nickelodean and ask for a promotional image which would then belong to you, and you could use it. Hope that is helpful. I posted on the thread above about the cliches -- am almost done with the article.Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See my page here for answer to image question. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Brothers question

I don't understand this sentence from the "Reception" section, first sentence, fourth paragraph: The premiere of the series acquired the channel as favorable for children aged 6-11. It either should be deleted or reworded. I can reword if you explain what the sentence should say.
Also, I've asked another editor I know about images, so we may have somebody joining us on my user page. Might as well keep all the discussion there for now.
Btw -- sorry I didn't put the rewritten 2nd paragraph from "Filming" in my sandbox; was working on two articles at once. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editing titles

Just so you know, I'll start copyediting for titles according to WP:TITLE. The name of a TV show is in italics; the name of an individual episode in quotation marks, and so on. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx! ATC . Talk 23:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done (I think)

Basically I've finished copyediting. The article is looking better and seems to read better. At this point my largest concern are the redundancies, but I've decided to leave as is, and if any reviewers mention them I'd be happy to return and help eliminate repetition. Have a look at the article and let me know if you think anything else needs to be done. Once I've signed off I'll take down the copyedit banner. Btw -- the images really look nice! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, we should keep the discussion on one page, but need to know if by "Additional Cast" you mean the "Recurring Stars" section. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, my bad. I confused myself with the film section's title. ATC . Talk 01:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, good news... that last connection I was talking about, particularly, Toni Seawright, responded and will be sending me lots of photos to use for the film and series, in addition to her son Qaasim Middleton's article with all pictures! ATC . Talk 01:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See, it was just a question of time. I think if you can cut the words in the caption for the hanging photo (even by using last names for all cast members except Nat & Alex) the photo will format well and you may be able to increase the pixel size.
As for the "Recurring Cast", it's a little rocky. I've just reworded the Kristina Reyes section (very long-winded). If I were to rewrite the entire section I'd probably eliminate the dashes if that's okay with you. I have worked on the wording in that section, so it's been cleaned up a bit. As for having the crew listed with their bios -- I like it. But, again I won't be evaluating the article. That said, it's important, I think, to see what a very experienced crew worked on the show, which most likely contributed to the success, so in that sense the crew is notable. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mid if you move the em-dashes as long as the grammar is good. ATC . Talk 02:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Very sorry but have been caught up in an edit war (battle) and it's not fun!! Have to get some time away, but will focus entirely on your article when I return very soon. Cheers. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I would help you with it, but I'm going a way in a week and wont be back 'till August. Good luck with the edit battle. ATC . Talk 22:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be back tomorrow. Just needed a little time. Before you go, post a list of changes you want, or let me know whether you think the article is fine for now. Also, let me know in advance so the banners can come down. I'll keep an eye on the article for vandalism. Hopefully will finish the Recurring Cast section tomorrow.Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per this comment, I've withdrawn the FAC. Leave the {{FAC}} template on the article's talk page until the bot has done its thing, and good luck next time! Steve T • C 14:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Future copyedits

Hi. I haven't forgotten about you and The Naked Brothers, but due to my admonishment am deep in research for a little while. Please post on my talk page (so I can preserve it) your recommendations for improvements to the article, and I'll work on it while you're on holiday. I've enjoyed working with you. Enjoy yourself while you're gone! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! You're back! I haven't really worked on the article and have been really really busy on other articles.
Seriously, though, welcome back! I think the only section left to copy edit is the "Additional Cast" section, although it's already had one run through. Actually I've been thinking about this article, and I thought when you're ready, go ahead and submit for GA status, and then work from the reviewer's recommendations. I'll carve time out this weekend to finish the "Additional Cast" section. Take care. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, looking at the wrong article. Meant the "Recurring Stars" section. Just had a quick read through, and it doesn't seem too bad. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, thanx for all of your hard work so far. ATC . Talk 14:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to work on the wiki links in The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) as per this about overlinking, if that's okay with you. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've decided to do another complete run through of the prose, if you don't mind. Also, I slightly reformatted the tables to eliminate some white space. Please revert if you hate them. Still have half the article to go, but I must say, it's a nice article. You've done a great job! Truthkeeper88 (talk) 04:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recovered Journeys Through the Autism Spectrum... page

Hi I noticed you've made some changes to the page I started for the film RECOVERED Journeys Through the Autism Spectrum and Back. I have a jpg of the movie poster that I would like to upload, but since I am a new contributor to wikipedia, it seems I do not have permissions. Do you have a way to upload jpgs? If so could I send it to you to add to the page? Thanks! --Arttwin (talk) 06:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help! Image is up.--Arttwin (talk) 19:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Lambert straw poll on including/removing "Order #" and "Results" columns from the performances section

Hi, this may seem rather trivial but I'm trying to gauge community consensus on including or removing "Order #" and "Results" columns from the performances section on the Adam Lambert article which you have been in some way recently involved. The poll is here. Your time is appreciated. -- Banjeboi 21:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will. Thanx for inviting me! ATC . Talk 03:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

Hiya. User:Dabomb87 and I have refactored the FAC page a bit. All the de-fragmented discussion threads were getting difficult to follow. I've also left a couple more replies. Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  02:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Twaked YellowMonkey (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 02:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Newman

Alas, my Wiki time will be limited in the near future. Perhaps in a couple of weeks.... Eubulides (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]