Talk:Niqāb

Irrelevant

The following paragraph isn't relevant enough to warrant this much of a mention in the beginning of the article. It's relevance at all is questionable since it comes from a Non-Muslim group, the man founded it claimed to be a Messenger of God which violates the fundamental Muslim belief that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh was the last messenger of God. The posting is also too general to be used for an encyclopedic article on the Niqab and should remain in the article on the hijab, which it already is. I'm deleting it but if anyone disagrees and wishes to keep it, it should be kept to a one-liner on a section titled "criticisms of the niqab."

"There is a Muslim group known as Submitters (English for Muslims), who follow the Quran Alone, and argue that the Quran makes no mention or obligation for women to cover their heads. The minimum requirements in the Quran in terms of dress for women, is to cover their chests Quran 24:30-31, and lengthen their garments Quran 33:59. They argue that tyrannical Arab traditions have given a false impression that a woman must be covered from head to toe, and such is not a Quranic or Islamic dress. This belief of establishing Islamic practices based on the Quran Alone, was made popular by Rashad Khalifa, a man who claimed to be God's Messenger of the Covenant, prophesized in the Quran: Quran 3:81 and Quran 33:7." --Moah (talk) 00:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

older entries

Is this garment the same as a yashmak - see also [1]? Pcb21| Pete 19:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

For more than a year now, this article has contained the phrasing

contrary to popular belief, and probably against what some people would hope, the Burqah's usage is limited solely to Afghanistan and certain area of Pakistan

which is certainly not NPOV. I have edited it. 168.12.253.82 20:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed "Some prostitutes in Islamic countries also use niqāb as a way of hiding their identity when they come or go to their job" because of a lack of citation. I searched for niqab and prostitute online and couldn't find any sources to support this. The Radio Star 21:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC) -Alright, I found a source, so I re-entered it with a citation. The Radio Star 08:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

To be criminalised in Holland!

This is a great article! Given the current firestorm of controversy over wearing the niqab, it's really refreshing to see how neutral and informative this is.Ninquerinquar 02:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Template

I removed Template:Fiqh-Eti and Template:Islamicdress because they make editing and reading the article more difficult without providing any navigational value which cannot be found in the text itself. --Wasted Sapience 04:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Niqāb in Islam should be checked by an expert

It's poor article from technical viewpoint. For example the questionable translation for the verse of Qur'an Oh Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (Ahzab 59) has been used while in Arabic it doesn't explicitly means "all over their bodies" . It's one of possible interpretation of this verse. Furthermore it's not clear which madhāhab recommends it and which one forbade it. Therefor I added the {{expert}} in that part.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 19:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it would be nice to see some more material on the translation of the crucial passage - I am by no means an expert and would welcome a comparison of the differing translations if someone feels competent to do it. Helen-Eva 09:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Quoting the Quran

I removed some commentary from inside the quotation marks of the Muhammad quote, as the commentary just reflects the writers opinion. Putting it inside a quotation from Muhammad makes it seem like the authors comment comes from Muhammad. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.159.165 (talk) 04:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

POV

The statement tht the Hadith support the Niqab is contraversial, and only backed up here with a link (^ Niqab in Light of the Quran and Hadith Ib) which is a poor source. That site quotes the Quran then adds opinion in and makes it look like a quotation, it's very misleding and not a reliable source at all.

I agree. The article ignores the fact that there are many interpretations and traditions in Islam (from Sunni to Shia, from Salafism to Sufism, from Bosnia, Albania and Kyrgyzstan to Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Afghanistan) and shows just the interpretation that is more common in Arabic peninsula and sadly it’s the nowadays stereotype of Islam in many Western eyes.

GA Failed

Please see the "To do" box above. --Aminz 05:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction in Politics Section

Under the "Politics" heading, the page reads "The niqāb is outlawed in the Muslim countries of Tunisia and Turkey." However right next to that line is a picture of "Women in Adana (Turkey) wearing the niqab." What's up with that? Were these women arrested after the picture was taken? It seems odd perhaps unprofessional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSJPabs (talk • contribs) 07:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Taureg

The Taureg picture refers to the man wearing a Niqab. I am not aware that in Arabic, one refers to the Taureg Tagelmust as a Niqab. In fact I am fairly certain one does not. It is not technically a Niqab regardless. (collounsbury (talk) 13:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC))

Bosnia-Hercegovina

The claim that niqab is common in Bosnia-Hercegovina cannot be sustained by any reputable source. Niqab is very rare in Bosnia-Hercegovina and only occasionally visible in urban settings. Bosnian Muslim rural women do not wear niqab. Bosnia was under Habsburg, Yugoslav monarchist, and Yugoslav Communist rule from 1878 to 1992 and is a European society in which the practice of face covering is almost completely absent. Stephen Suleyman Schwartz [[[Special:Contributions/68.50.176.33|68.50.176.33]] (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)]

Only showing one eye

Today's Helsingin Sanomat mentions that in Egypt, women are now being advised to wear niqabs only showing one eye. I think that if the religious leaders had their way, the niqabs wouldn't even show that much, but then we get the practical problem of women not being able to see where they're going. I believe we've now reached the maximum practical extent of covering up women's bodies. Are there any other sources for this? JIP | Talk 21:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

merely a tradition, with no connection to religion or the Koran.

Many currents in Islam. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8290606.stm Egypt cleric 'to ban full veils': "Egypt's highest Muslim authority has said he will issue a religious edict against the growing trend for full women's veils, known as the niqab. Sheikh Mohamed Tantawi, dean of al-Azhar university, called full-face veiling a custom that has nothing to do with the Islamic faith. ..." SmithBlue (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The government of the Malaysian state of Kelantan have proposed a ban on the purdah if necessary for security reasons. [2] While it's not clear my guess is this would include the niqab if it were to ever be implemented given the rationale Nil Einne (talk) 09:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Covering one's wife, daughter prevents them from being oogled or lusted after by hiding their physical beauty. "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."156.34.179.3 (talk) 23:17, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

United Kingdom

The claim that niqab is common in United Kingdom cannot be sustained by any reputable source. Niqab is very rare in United Kingdom and only occasionally visible in urban settings. Even in highly concentrated muslim areas it is a rare sight, the Hijab being the dominant form of veil. Splodgeness (talk) 12:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)