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Help needed at Chitpavan

I'm having a problem as an admin at Chitpavan with an editor, Authentickle (talk · contribs), who has been adding inappropriate material such as this. I've protected the page and reverted the worst of it, and the editor now accepts that he has to use reliable sources very carefully, but I remain concerned. I can't get involved in editing the page or giving too much advice about content, in part because I'm there as an admin, and also because I know nothing about the topic. If someone here could take a look and get involved on the talk page, that would be very helpful. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The problems at the above continue. It is part of Wikiproject India. If anyone from the wikiproject is able to help, please see the talk page. Many thanks, SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 05:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I've reorganized the article sections, and cleaned it up. Will keep a watch on it. utcursch | talk 18:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion - Saffron Terror

It has been suggested that the article Saffron terror be merged into Terrorism in India or Hindu nationalism

Pls seeTalk:Saffron_terror#Merge_discussion Arjun^codename024 13:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Rasul Miyan

There's a new stub on this Indian playwright and folk singer who died in 1952. Finding sources other than one website is proving tricky, so help from someone who speaks Hindi and is able to search for some sources would be appreciated. Fences&Windows 14:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on Manual of Style (dates and numbers)

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Indian number names about the problem non-Indian WP users have understanding numbers that include terms such as "Lakh" and "Crore". Please help us find a solution. Roger (talk) 11:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Large scale misspelling in Assamese wikipedia

While this is unrelated to English wikipedia, I want to report it here in the hope that some Assamese speaking wikipedian will fix it. There is a large scale article move in Assamese wikipedia by a particular user. The user is moving articles to incorrect spellings. From his contributions, it appears that his computer is not configured to display complex indic unicode script, hence he is moving articles like কম্পিউটাৰ বিজ্ঞান to কম্িপউটাৰ িবজ্ঞান. The user doing this is as:বিশেষ:অৱদানবোৰ/Anshuman.jrt.

The 4 admins at AS wikipedia are all retired. There are also no active users other than Anshuman.jrt,. So, I am requesting an assamese speaking wikipedian to handle this as soon as possible. Regards. --Ragib (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Can someone help with this please? The vandalism (possibly unintended) is going on. If unchecked, almost all of the articles of the AS wikipedia will be affected. --Ragib (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Does Classical music refer only to Western classical music?

For those interested in terminological issues: there is a discussion going on Talk:List of art music traditions#Move proposal on (e.g.) whether "Classical music" should be reserved for Western Classical music, and other forms should be called "art music". Someone may want to take a look; remember that the point is not to say "Oppose" or "Support" but to discuss and arrive at a consensus. Shreevatsa (talk) 02:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1984 ghallooghaaraa‎

Fyi, Khalistanis were able to save the article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1984 ghallooghaaraa‎ by obtaining no consensus in AfD. Advice on how to procede forward to rid Wikipedia of this massive blog entry would be welcomed. --Soman (talk) 01:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by Khalistanies were able to ..., it constitutes attack on individual editors..May be the editors you are referring to simply liked preserving history. Remember "Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 06:46, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

when did calling someone a "khalistani" become a personal attack?. last time i checked it was not a dirty word--Sodabottle (talk) 07:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You KNOW what it means. You alone do not own India... and I am sure you wont like to hear Paki or some other name for you...I would respect wikipedia policies and 'would rather stay away from this crap to avoid myself from personal attacks. Enjoy--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 07:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I take "khalistani" means a Sikh separatist. And i dont think it is a bad word. I am Tamil and i dont think "Tamil separatist" is a bad word too. I dont think anyone is attacking you personally. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Please dont call me with such words... you dont know me--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 08:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't know you. However, the article in question clearly, and with zero ambiguity, represents the Khalistani pov. Thus I don't feel that my commentary is out of place. Moreover, let it be clear that I'm not seeking a white-wash. We know very well that the Indian state committed gross human rights abuses during the Punjab insurgency. I don't oppose the existence of the article Human rights in Punjab, India, for example. But this article seeks to portray the Punjab insurgency as a conflict between the Indian state and the Sikh people as a whole, which is a pov projection I cannot digest. Remember that the Khalistani movement targetted and killed democratic and secular people within the Sikh community. And btw, I was once called a "Sikh extremist" on Wikipedia. --Soman (talk) 14:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sigh! Every time you try to get rid of a Sikh-related POV fork, they just descend in droves and vote anonymously. I would expect that the closer would ignore at least the anon votes. Would taking it to ANI help? --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 04:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't we goto deletion review first?--Sodabottle (talk) 04:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Now they are trying to remove this thread itself sigh!--Sodabottle (talk) 06:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'they' ? --DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

oops i meant 'he'.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, this article is a mess. Sections from Punjab insurgency, Operation Blue Star, 1984 anti-Sikh riots and Khalistan movement all combined together with a heavy dosage of pro-Khalistan POV. utcursch | talk 07:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The Khalistani militant gangs are now edit-warring on Holocaust (a high ranked), where they have added links to this article[1]. This is part of a strategy by the propagandists to increase the Google page rank of the "Ghallooghara" article59.160.210.68 (talk) 09:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Could I ask all of you to limit this discussion to the article in question and not the ethnic/religious background of your fellow users? I closed the AFD as no consensus because there was not a consensus. Poor writing is not a reason to delete an article, it is a reason to improve an article, and we don't just "ignore the anon votes" as that would be contrary to the whole point of allowing anon ip users to contribute in the first place. Generally, if you are going to make an accusation of vote-stacking/canvassing/sockpuppetry you need to say so and include evidence to support your claim. If you can't manage to do that then hinting around about it after the fact isn't going to help. If you think the article has a POV problem, then re-write it. If there is trouble with that then request page protection and/or dispute resolution. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

'Khalistani' is a political identity, not a religious or ethnic background. --Soman (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

So your suggestion is we deal with POV forks by editing?--Sodabottle (talk) 15:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

With due respects beeblebrox, I'm a bit flummoxed by your close. 1984 Ghalloghara, to the extent that it exists as an english language term (which is doubtful), refers solely to the 1984 anti-Sikh Riots. The sole purpose of the article is to conflate the term ghalloghara with 'holocaust', which is a fairly obvious attempt to introduce a POV (that the 1984 anti-Sikh riots were a holocaust which no reasonable source would call it). The same article was deleted in a prior AfD and then reintroduced with a new title. Enough people pointed out the POV fork nature of the article but your close focuses on 'merge' and 'redirect'. If ghalloghara is acceptable (I challenge anyone to spell it right three times in a row!) then should we also have a redirect from 1984 Holocaust? --RegentsPark (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting - Please see how editor RegentsPark interpret information of opposing parties/conflicts in his own country India.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
• Per his pov views, editor RegentsPark wants to convert Hindu Terrorism/Saffron Terror into Hindu Nationalism, it is same as calling mass murders of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs and even the murder of Mahatama Gandhi at the hands of Hindu extremists as 'Hindu Nationalism.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
• So may be it is part of the same pov idiology that he believes in suppressing any information which exposes attrocities committed by the same majority against Sikh minority in his country and hence respected editor RegentsPark wants to see article 1984 ghallooghaaraa deleted ASAP. --DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
• Also, this respected editor could not use this AfD opportunity to challenge the opposing editors and their provided references.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

This one is a real unforgiving POV fork; with a tone of "Look, we have been holocausted!". Whats the procedure | AFD2 or review? This one's gotta go anyway. Arjun^codename024 18:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)