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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 20:52, 4 November 2010 [1].
- Nominator(s): max24 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. max24 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 21:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Support--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Resolved comments from Afro (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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*Comment - Why are the AUS, GER, UK, US, US AC columns featured in the 1980s table when they're all just ndash's? Afro (Talk) 10:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support - I have no problems with the list. Afro (Talk) 21:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Well sourced, allot of info. Good work!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm back after my vacations. I'd like to thank Petergriffin9901 for watching over this nomination while I was gone. Max24 (talk) 17:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for now.
Stopped reviewing here. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support all my problems have been addressed and, although I have not checked every chart placing against its source, those that I have checked and my dealings with the nominator allow me to assume everything is in order. Nice work, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:39, 4 November 2010 [7].
- Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because, like Dickin Medal, it holds a special place in my heart. I have one current FLC which is of a completely different nature (which has some support and in which reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed), and trust that the community believe that I will be capable of maintaing two simultaneous nominations. Of course, if not, then I will graciously withdraw! In any case, as ever, thank you for your interest in this niche list, and for any comments, improvements, support or otherwise. (My other nomination has no outstanding issues and three supports). The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 13:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Ucucha. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Nergaal (talk) 02:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Is there a reason why only one picture is shown? Nergaal (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Couldn't find any others which weren't fair use. Would happily add more if they are available and have valid licensing. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the picture File:Bamse (St. Bernard).jpg was taken before 1945, when should the copyright expire? Nergaal (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure, I'm no expert in this. Perhaps someone else could comment? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The copyright would expire 70 years after the photo was taken at the earliest. If you assume the photo was taken and published in 1939 and the creator is unknown it would be possible to claim the copyright had expired, but this is an unsafe assumption as the date is unlikely and the creator could probably be uncovered with a little research. Yomanganitalk 09:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure, I'm no expert in this. Perhaps someone else could comment? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the picture File:Bamse (St. Bernard).jpg was taken before 1945, when should the copyright expire? Nergaal (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Couldn't find any others which weren't fair use. Would happily add more if they are available and have valid licensing. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a reason why only one picture is shown? Nergaal (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support very good choice of list, and well written. Nergaal (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
"if the animal dies or suffers serious injury whilst carrying out its official duties in the face of armed and violent opposition." "while" is tighter prose-wise than "whilst", or so I've been told.- Have -st/+e The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"an assistance dog whose actions help save the life of his disabled owner." "help" should be "helped", assuming this isn't ongoing (from the list itself that doesn't seem the case).- Reworded as "actions helped to save", is that better? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should the publisher's abbreviation be fully spelled out in the external link?Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]- Good news! It is now! Thanks for your comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Good news! It is now! Thanks for your comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Such a lovely list, I couldn't see anything wrong as I read through it. I did have a quick search on Flickr for another free image, but unfortunately there weren't any. I'll keep checking for you though. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 14:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Courcelles 21:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support Looks good. Courcelles 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:39, 4 November 2010 [8].
- Nominator(s): PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets all FLC criteria. Thanks to all who participate :)! PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—a dab link to I'll Be There; no dead external links. Ucucha 23:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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*Oppose. Fix these issues and I'll gladly support:
I'm going on 2-week vacations in 2 days, so let's hurry:
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Support Let's leave them there. I did 2 more fixes in the lead. Support. Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you
--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comments - Ref 3, 17, 19, 47 needs a language parameter. Afro (Talk) 13:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question, I see in the certification column that the Swiss Music Charts are abbreviated CH which does confuse me slightly as a reader since its abbreviated SW in the top column, why is the abbreviation changed? Afro (Talk) 22:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Gotcha. I changed them all to 3 letter abbreviations where applicable to make things easier :). I think its all fixed.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I'm gonna throw in my support I see no problem with it. Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. See my comments on main article talk page. Plus all that text at the start of the article is unnecessary - we can SEE which singles topped the charts in which territories, which years albums were released in etc. by looking at the information below. Why does that information need to be preceded by a wordy preamble? Nathan86 (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It is necessary. This is the style and format done in all FL articlles. I'm sorry you don't approve, but its how its done.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:LEAD "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects.". Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you very much Afkatk! Your help and support is very much appreciated! :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The introduction to this article is not just a "summary of its most important aspects" but includes superfluous information that belongs in either the main Mariah Carey article or individual song/album articles (eg "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s."). Plus, at 3 paragraphs for an article of less that 2,000 charatcters it is MUCH longer than the "one or two paragraphs" suggested by WP:LEAD for articles under 15,000 characters.
- In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. Nathan86 (talk) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- As explained in WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD#Length "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro (Talk) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said before, much of the introduction belongs on either song or album article pages... using the example I gave before, "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s." has nothing to do with her discography as a whole, but rather, the individual song.
- Regarding the length; as you very correctly point out, "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." And as stated by WP:LEAD; articles with less than 15,000 characters should have "one or two" paragraph introductions. This article has less than 2,000; and a four-paragraph introduction is only suggested for articles containing more than 30,000 characters. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore, the article is still missing promo releases, has promo singles incorrectly listed as commercial releases, has commercial releases listed as promo singles, has charting album cuts listed as promo releases, has guest appearances listed with Carey as main artist, and has singles listed as being lifted from albums that (in their standard international issue) do not contain those songs. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- As explained in WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD#Length "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro (Talk) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Support Well done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, I forgot: I am assuming that "Never Too Far" and "Don't Stop (Funkin' 4 Jamaica)" were released as a double A-side in some countries. Can you please note this somehow? Thanks, Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 08:17, 3 November 2010 [9].
- Nominator(s): Grsz11 19:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meet all of the featured list criteria. It is modeled after List of World Heritage Sites in Spain, a recently promoted FL. Grsz11 19:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 22:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments'
- Should the "Image" column be mentioned in the itemized list before the main table?
- I was told in one of my former FLC, to wikilink publishers in references. Not sure if it is (still) a requirement.
bamse (talk) 23:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To the first, I don't think. I don't think it would be necessary for the reader. To the second, I've been told it isn't, so I'm not positive. Grsz11 22:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Has Bamse been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Now, yes. Grsz11 22:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record, wikilinks are not necessary for the publishers. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry for the late reply. Everything fine as far as these two things are concerned. Unfortunately I don't have the time for a full review this time and therefore prefer to stay neutral. bamse (talk) 00:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. After I copy-edited it, I think, it satisfies FL criteria. Ruslik_Zero 14:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Weak oppose (several minor issues that all add up to a niggling feeling)
The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support:everything is k-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Ref 12 is dead. Ref 27 lists a full date I was wondering why you've chosen to only include the year in the article. Afro (Talk) 20:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 12: I provided a different link that leads to the same work. Grsz11 21:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I see no problem with the list. Afro (Talk) 01:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Not that this detracts from my support, but I find it odd that after mentioning extreme weather conditions in the lead, the somewhat more mundane weather risks to Chan Chan, the only endangered site on the list, are not also called out. (I know, it probably doesn't rain much at Chan Chan.) Magic♪piano 20:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I coudn't find much particularly on Chan Chan. I think the issue is that just rain in general is damaging. Grsz11 14:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 08:17, 3 November 2010 [10].
- Nominator(s): Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it is accurate, complete, and meets all of the FL criteria. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 23:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment All the PDF refs need to have
format=PDF
; empty cells should have emdash—Chris!c/t 20:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]- Done. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks quite good. But I will wait until someone reviews the prose before declaring my support.—Chris!c/t 23:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support—Chris!c/t 04:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Comments - quick run
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- Support. Now this article satisfies FL criteria. Ruslik_Zero 15:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - It looks to meet the requirements. Afro (Talk) 17:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 22:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Support Courcelles 22:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks good. —Designate (talk) 04:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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