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Pay Money to My Pain → Pay money To my Pain — The name of the band in all reliable sources is "Pay money To my Pain". Not "Pay Money To My Pain". This is clearly shown in the band's name's abbreviation "P.T.P" and not "P.M.M.P".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Per WP:MOSTM it should confirm to style already in use. The most appropriate style would be WP:MOSMUSIC which says nouns & the first word in a compound preposition are to be capitalized. "Money" is a noun, therefore it is capitalized. "My Pain" is a compound preposition, so "My" is to be capitalized & "Pain" is to be capitalized due t being a noun. "To" is a grammatical particle & is not listed as one of the items to be capitalized. 「gu1dry」⊤ • ¢ 11:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- There is nothing on WP:MOSTM or WP:MOSMUSIC that says anything concerning band names. MOSMUSIC only concerns song and album titles. "My Pain" is not a preposition, either.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:MOSTM says "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'". Powers ^T 20:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't see how that has to do with having some letters capitalized normally and some are not. WP:MOSTM only seems to cover ALL CAPS or no caps. Not "Oh, they decided to not capitalize the words with M and capitalize the 'to'". I've started a discussion at WT:MOS concerning some other titles, and I've mentioned this page as well.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - WP:MOSMUSIC#Capitalization says under point 3 "Standard English text formatting and capitalization rules apply to the names of bands and individual artists (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) and Wikipedia:Proper names)." Since this is a band name you would refer to WP:MOSTM; please read all of WP:MOSTM. "My" is a preposition due to defines who's "Pain". 「gu1dry」⊤ • ¢ 21:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        For the record, "To" is the preposition; "my pain" is the prepositional object. Powers ^T 00:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:MOSTM. Powers ^T 20:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is there a distinction made between groups of people and individual people when it comes to unorthodox capitalizations?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, I'm kind of ambivalent on that particular distinction, myself; I'd be about as happy standardizing all article titles. I believe the reasoning for the exception was that because names are such a personal element of an individual's identity, that we are best off respecting a person's preferences when it comes to the capitalization of his or her name. Band names are more akin to corporate branding than individual identity. Powers ^T 02:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - A band's name isn't really as much a corporate branding as it is an artistic choice by the group.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Don't argue it with me; I didn't come up with the idea. Powers ^T 03:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Well, it is good to bring this up for discussion so it could perhaps be changed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I don't think it will be changed as a result of what we discuss here; it needs wider discussion in a more central location. Powers ^T 13:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I've already started some discussion on the issue at WT:MOS where I have brought up the disparity between treating articles on individuals (American musician will.i.am and Canadian musician k.d. lang) and treating articles on groups of people (bands defspiral, angela (band), m.o.v.e, and Pay money To my Pain).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As it stands, Wikipedia does not pander to the pathetic attempts by certain bands to make themselves look important by using ridiculous capitalisation. And long may that situation remain. How the hell will.i.am got through, God only knows! Arseholes, the lot of them! Skinsmoke (talk) 06:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *******I don't think it will be changed as a result of what we discuss here; it needs wider discussion in a more central location.  [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 13:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 ********I've already started some discussion on the issue at [[WT:MOS]] where I have brought up the disparity between treating articles on individuals (American musician [[will.i.am]] and Canadian musician [[k.d. lang]]) and treating articles on groups of people (bands [[defspiral]], [[angela (band)]], [[m.o.v.e]], and [[Pay money To my Pain]]).—[[User:Ryulong|<font color="blue">Ryūlóng</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|<font color="Gold">竜龙</font>]]) 20:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose'''  As it stands, Wikipedia does not pander to the pathetic attempts by certain bands to make themselves look important by using ridiculous capitalisation.  And long may that situation remain.  How the hell [[will.i.am]] got through, God only knows!  Arseholes, the lot of them!  [[User:Skinsmoke|Skinsmoke]] ([[User talk:Skinsmoke|talk]]) 06:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)