User talk:Nascar1996

My next article

I need to work on my next article. Which one should I do? WayneSlam 23:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

What article would you like to work on? Nascar1996 01:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Another NASCAR crew chief, such as Ryan Pemberton. WayneSlam 01:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I guess, look at the teams website, and see if they have a biography, then look for some other type of source, so it would have atleast two references. Nascar1996 01:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Will you help me work on it? WayneSlam 02:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Not as much as last time. Go on and write the article, then I'll see what I can do from there. --Nascar1996 02:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You're really supposed to start with independent reliable sources like NASCAR.com, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, Speed Channel, ESPN, etc. Then you can add from closer sources. You need to be sure that you have several independent sources or else you're risking getting it deleted. Royalbroil 04:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You have to find a biography source. Team pages are the only ones. (now) NASCAR.com removed the crew chief bios a while back. Most of those are for news. Which you can find after you create the main biography. Nascar1996 11:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Portal-y stuff.

Not got a clue as of yet, and if that changes, I'll let you know! Cs-wolves(talk) 01:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure we'll get a decision before the opener in a fortnight. Cs-wolves(talk) 01:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just tying in with last year's page, and "after 1's" aren't really worth putting down. Waste of text, but all would be back to normal after Phoenix. Cs-wolves(talk) 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

This

How does this look so far? WayneSlam 01:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Its pretty good. I made a few changes that I noticed that were needed in the article though. --Nascar1996 01:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you think it's good for a DYK? WayneSlam 01:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Not yet. Needs to be expanded, and minor reworded still. Nascar1996 01:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Will you be doing that part since I did most of the work so far? WayneSlam 01:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes I will. Nascar1996 01:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WayneSlam 01:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit busy right now if you finish it within the week. However, I might be able to fit it in. Nascar1996 02:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Reply:

As much as I want to, its a community reassesment. That means it has to be closed by an uninvolved editor (if you read the rules, you would've known that.) GamerPro64 (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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NASCAR races

Do you watch all 36 Sprint Cup races every year? WayneSlam 16:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Every single one, with the addition of the Budweiser Shootout. I attend the All-Star race. Why are you asking? Nascar1996 16:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I was just curious. Of course, Kurt Busch won the Shootout last night. Should you mention the Shootout in the Daytona 500 article or leave it seperate? WayneSlam 16:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

2011 Budweiser Shootout, 2011 Daytona 500. Seperate, unless Busch wins the 500 as well then I can include something about it. Nascar1996 16:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Is it still too early to create the 2011 Subway Fresh 500 article? WayneSlam 16:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

If you want it to be a DYK entry, I'd wait until the Wednesday after the 500. Nascar1996 16:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Where would you put the Gatorade Duel information? In the 2011 Daytona 500 article? WayneSlam 16:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I am going to put it in the article. No one keeps a race summary for them, so they don't deserve their own article. Nascar1996 16:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay and will NASCAR The Game: 2011 feature the Budweiser Shootout? WayneSlam 23:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Nascar1996 23:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I looked at screen shots and videos and stuff that have alcoholic sponsors won't be in the game. WayneSlam 00:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the race can be shown as the Shootout. Nascar1996 00:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

What system would you get it for? WayneSlam 00:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

PS3. Nascar1996 00:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Me too. I want NHL 11 and maybe Gran Turismo 5, too. Do you want Gran Turismo 5 since Jimmie Johnson's in there? WayneSlam 00:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I already have it. Were going in and off the subject of Wikipedia, which is a no no. Nascar1996 00:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. The only reason why I'm doing this is because I can't email. Can users go off subject on Wikipedia if they email each other? WayneSlam 00:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Nascar1996 00:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Only if I could email, that's for sure. Is there any other way I could do that to help make emailing work? WayneSlam 00:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea. Nascar1996 00:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

If you have a chance would you work with me on article creation and this? WayneSlam 00:32, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Maybe in March during a off weekend. I'm very busy with the Daytona 500 right now. Nascar1996 00:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Then you'll move on the next race and the race after that and the race after that, etc. It's a lot of events to work on those articles. Does it seem easy? WayneSlam 00:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Fairly easy. Sometimes throughout the year, such as 2010 AAA Texas 500, I get tired of doing it, or I get behind and I skip one. Luckily I'm already finished with the Shootout's article. Nascar1996 00:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you need help, just let me know. WayneSlam 00:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Reference

Why don't put a reference stating that Dale Earnhardt, Jr. crashed in practice and he will go to the back of the field? WayneSlam 23:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm currently updating and reorganizing the 500 article. Nascar1996 23:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. WayneSlam 23:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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Picture of the day

Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s Hendrick Motorsports pit crew execute a pit stop at a Sprint Cup Series competition at Darlington Raceway, South Carolina, in May 2008. In motor sport, pit stops are when the racing vehicle gets more fuel, new wheels, repairs, mechanical adjustments, a driver change, or any combination of the above.Photo: United States National Guard

It's great to see a NASCAR picture on the main page on the day of the Daytona 500! I'll be watching the race. I encourage you to claim your triple crown. Royalbroil 13:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and I will as soon as I actually create the DYK. Nascar1996 14:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Do NOT remove a cleanup tag if no effort has been made to effect an actual cleanup.

Basically, after a visit to 2011 Daytona 500 I saw it as being not up to encyclopedia writing standard. (I wasn't aware who the contributors were, so it is nothing personal). For instance, the intro said "The 53rd Daytona 500 will be a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race that will be..... " "Will be" twice in 13 words. Horrible. So I changed it, and you reverted (and at the same time reverted two other valid edits I had made).

In an edit summary you said "its not curent (is) and its only like this until the race is completed........ The article is less than half completed". Irrelevant. Even stubs are expected to have some sort of proficiency about them. Works in progress too.

Anyway, I think you are effectively expressing WP:Ownership and I am not going to get into a rv war. So I inserted a cleanup tag in the hope of generating, well, cleanup of the article. You removed this, and I am advising you not to remove that tag again unless a genuine attempt is made to actually improve the writing of the article. I would do it myself, but will not risk putting a lot of effort into something which might be reverted by editor/s who may have a lower expectation for the standard of writing in Wikipedia. In the meantime, I am restoring the two edits I made to captions (fixing the verbosity) and I am replacing the cleanup tag. I am also rewriting the intro, starting with the article title which is the generally accepted Wiki style. Moriori (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You can do what you said, but once February 20, 2011 is over your edits will be wortheless. Just a heads up. I will leave it on there until I finish the article sometime next week. I hate the wording too, but I don't really care about it because that is not how the article will look once its completed. This article will be a good article by April. Nascar1996 02:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) By the way, if you would like to help with an article, try the other Daytona 500 articles, such as 2010, or 2009. Neither are finished, and I don't have enough time to clean them up. Nascar1996 02:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you quite got the import of my message. Articles should be nicely written at whatever stage of their evolution. Yes, there are times when articles are incomplete, waiting for info to be added later, but the info that is actually in the incomplete article should be up to standard. I look forward to seeing how this progresses. Moriori (talk) 02:50, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

If you think I was joking about the good article information, you must be kidding. I will do anything to get the article to GA status. On the other hand, the race has yet to take place, and all the will bes would have been removed Sunday. Its been like that since the creation of the article, and thats how I start all the articles I created. I could care less how the article looked at the beginning, I'm focused on how it looks at the end. Nascar1996 02:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Sigh. Nascar1996, I am having trouble getting through here. I didn't mention construction of the article (although that undobtedly can be improved). I mentioned the standard of writing. When I quoted "will be" I did so not because it was a prediction etc, but because that phrase was used twice in the space of 13 words in one sentence, part of the poor writing I was talking about. Moriori (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

A question or two, what is exactly the problem with the article? The background? I know the practice and qualifying section is almost the same incomparison with the other season articles from last year. I'm not sure about the backgroud (I never was). Since it is the beginning of the season, its not like I can actually put standings like would normally, so I'm not sure. I would appreciate if you would tell me, so this template would dissapear before Saturday. Thanks. Nascar1996 02:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

If I deal to a couple of paragraphs (later) , will you take notice? Incidentally, everyone's writing here can be improved, so I don't profess to be the b all and end all expert around here. I get edited mercilessly too, and it's often an improvement which I gladly accept.. Moriori (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, unless it takes away from the main meaning of it. I welcome your help. Nascar1996 03:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be still struggling to grasp the point. Meaning is dependent on content which can only be justified by references. By seeking a better standard of writing I don't propound changes to the meaning of referenced material. Being concise would be a good start. Using fifty repetitious words to say something that can be conveyed in 30 words is not helpful to Wikipedia which is supposed to be an international encyclopedia of high standard. This is not a blog, even if some subjects in Wiki make one wonder. Moriori (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but if your unfamilar with NASCAR, you might reword something in the wrong way, therefore removing the actual meaning. You might want to stick around for the article until Saturday when the final practice session is. The Race summary is normally good with other editors, while the post race might need a cleaning. Thanks for yout help.

Familiarity with NASCAR racing is not a pre-requisite of good sentence construction. --Falcadore (talk) 14:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh my damn, what I meant was that if they weren;t familar they might change something to subtract what actually happened. Nascar1996 18:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

And still you don't get it. Competent editors don't need intimate knowledge of a subject to knock a poorly written article into passable English without compromising the efficacy of content. You appear unable to grasp that point. The examples below are paragraphs from the article, before and after an edit.

• Original : In the third practice session, which was delayed because of rain, Kyle Busch was quickest with a time of 44.943 seconds. He was followed by Greg Biffle, Earnhardt, Johnson, and Juan Pablo Montoya in the next four positions. Also in the session, Earnhardt, along with Truex, collided together, and into the wall. Both sustained major damages to their car, which prompted them to move to back-up cars, meaning Earnhardt will have to forfeit the pole position. During the fourth practice, Kasey Kahne was quickest with a time of 44.985 seconds, only one-thousandth of a second faster than Joey Logano. Gordon followed in the third position, ahead of David Ragan and Kyle Busch.

• Edited : Kyle Busch was quickest in the rain-delayed third practice with 44.943 seconds, followed by Greg Biffle, Earnhardt, Johnson, and Juan Pablo Montoya. Earnhardt and Truex collided and hit the wall, both needing to use their back-up cars which meant Earnhardt forfeited pole position. Kasey Kahne led fourth practice with 44.985 seconds, only one-thousandth of a second faster than Joey Logano. Gordon was third ahead of David Ragan and Kyle Busch.

I hope you appreciate the differences.

You added a par about later practice, the first sentence of which stated "During the fifth practice session, Burton was quickest after recording a fastest lap of 45.767 seconds." That says he was fastest and fastest. It's a bit like (above) saying four drivers were in the next four positions, and "Earnhardt, along with Truex, collided together".Moriori (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

So do I need to remove the second fastest, then what? Nascar1996 03:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC) Thank you very much! Sorry we started out on the wrong foot, but please when you see something wrong on an article fix it. Thanks again. Nascar1996 03:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely not!. No-one is obliged to follow you around and fix your writing inadequacies. If you feel you are not up to writing adequate contributions, then attend a writing course, or don't contribute. Incidentally, I approached you on your talk page but you brought it here. I think we should share the conversation so I am putting it on your talk too.Moriori (talk) 06:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Userbox update

I've updated your editcount userbox. --Perseus8235 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Perseus. Nascar1996 22:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Diff #414711859

• The vertical bar is ideally to differentiate between the regular season and the Chase. Not sure where else uses things like that, but I know we used it in last year's IndyCar table to help highlight the Indy 500, since points were given for qualifying as well.
• The extra instances of the race header is primarily because the tables invariably grow to be so large. Even on my huge monitor, I can only fit about 40 rows at once. Given how there were 85 drivers who scored Sprint Cup points last year, it's a help if it's in the middle of the table as well - although that situation might not happen this year given some driver's ineligibilities.
• Adding ineligible drivers is generally done to complete the tables. It happens in series that get guest drivers on occasion, like the V8 Supercars, World Touring Cars and the like. Plus in the lower-tier series, particularly Nationwide, eliminating the ineligibles from the table could live quite a gap!

TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 02:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

See 2011 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series#Drivers for an example of how it works with ineligible drivers. Looks grand now, although may need re-assessing halfway through the season when the number of ineligibles goes way up. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 03:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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Races for Sprint Cup

Why were the number of races for the Sprint Cup series removed from the table? Understandably alot of the teams are running the full season, but Brian Keselowski's running based on sponsorship, Mikey's not running anymore this year, Bayne, Bill Elliot, Casey Mears are doing half the schedule, and some are running less than 9 races. Also, why did you think that the sponsorship column should be removed?Gaeaman787 (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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Daytona 500

So did you attend the race and take this photograph? Royalbroil 01:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

No I did not attend the race, but the image was available to be edited upon, which I did crop it from a larger image. Then I uploaded it to Flickr. Nascar1996 01:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Then please link to the source image. You can't just upload someone else's photo to flickr and change the license. It looks like you took it and then the link to it says the same thing. It's called flickr washing and here's a link to the Commons page on it [1]. You need to change the link to the original photographer. If it's on flickr then I'll certify the link which I can do as a flickr license reviewer on Commons. Otherwise I'm obliged to nominate it for deletion because of flickr washing.

Try the photographer, Terry Renna of AP.Moriori (talk) 02:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

My internet was down for the past 2 days because of a huge snowstorm here in Wisconsin. I really enjoyed the ending of the Daytona 500 this year. I was pulling for Trevor Bayne. The Wood Brothers were the team to beat (like Roush or Hendricks is today) when I first started watching NASCAR. It was great to see them rise from fading out as a part time team to being the winners of the top race. I'd glad that I got Trevor Bayne's photograph at Road America last year. Royalbroil 02:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember the link to the image. So I assume you must delete it now, right? The race was very exiting to watch, however, the driver I pull for wrecked on the 29th lap. May I ask for a quick review of 2011 Daytona 500? I know one item is not sourced yet because Jayski, who I have tried to contact for the past two days, have not created the link yet. The article looks good in my eyes, but I wrote practically all of it. Nascar1996 02:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Is it? I don't remember that name. By the way, you sneaked in quickly. Nascar1996 02:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't here, because that says all rights reserved at the bottom. Nascar1996 02:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

You deliberately took an image, cropped it, uploaded it to Flickr and then back to Wiki. What part of "Copyright © 2011, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Inc........ Associated Press text, photo, graphic, audio and/or video material shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium. (etc)" do you not understand? I trust User:Royalbroil will nom for deletion. Moriori (talk) 02:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I know it wasn't located on Arkansas Gazette, I would remember how the page looked. The site had a darker background. I have already said for him to delete it anyways where I couldn't remember the site. If it was that I would know, I pressed on a link which went to another page that had image copyright information on it. Nascar1996 02:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Question: When there is not a copyright license shown, does that mean its 'All rights reserved?' Per: here I will be working my butt off to get an image the correct way. I got the others on the article, now I need a picture of the winner (which was taken in his current uniform. I hate copyright. I truly don't care if some one reuses something of mine, but other people have different opinions about it. Nascar1996 03:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

(several edit conflicts) I have deleted it. You need to be very careful about what you upload to Commons because other people on flickr (etc) don't understand copyright. I'll only upload to Commons if I see that the photographer on flickr has uploaded several images from the event to flickr or if I'm certain that they took them. There's some text that you must read at Commons talking about it [2]. Please review and let me know any questions before you upload any more images. No, "All rights reserved" is ALWAYS assumed except if you can prove otherwise. Period. That's why images on Wikipedia are so difficult and often off topic. Flickr and the US Army (military) are your friends if you use them right.

I would appreciate if Moriori would change to a more constructive tone instead of throwing stones. Complaining at someone on their talk page is definitely rude. I've worked with Nascar1996 for a long time and this is an isolated incident. Just because I (and presumably you) have more life experience than Nascar doesn't mean that you should be so critical of all of Nascar's writing. Perhaps Nascar is young and getting education yet, including grammar. Nascar has improved greatly in the past 6 months, and it wasn't because I complained. It was because people decided it's better to work with him. "You attract more flies with sugar than salt". Also, you have removed all images on the Trevor Bayne article. I took 3 of him myself from 2 different races, so why did you not restore them? You should be looking to see what this image had replaced. Royalbroil 03:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Dale Earnhardt, Jr

Apologizes for the "til" instead of "until", force of habit. TyVulpine (talk) 01:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Its okay. Nascar1996 01:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)