Talk:Deaths in 2011

Red link removals

Has the guideline of waiting 30 days to remove the redlink entries changed? I noticed that the December 2010 names are being deleted much faster and wonder if this a new policy or an over eager editor making their own rules? BurienBomber (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

AFAIR, the understanding since 2007 has been that redlinks remain for one calendar month. So today, 8 January, we should be deleting redlinks for 8 December. Regards, WWGB (talk) 04:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

People who are not notable are often added; they should be removed immediately. Jim Michael (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Been tried before, just causes edit wars. Look how many times Elizabeth Turgeon was added and removed last month. WWGB (talk) 06:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Criminals

Following on from my previous post I would like to suggest that the simple term 'criminal' be removed from all posts. Almost everyone who logs on to Wiki is in some sense or another a 'criminal'. Who hasn't taken money out their mother's purse to buy sweets, downloaded P2P videos or albums, driven the car when we knew we had had a little bit too much to drink or broken the speed limit. Whether we like it or not they are all crimes so we're all basically criminals. Just like calling someone a 'sportsperson' (I played for my school football team when I was 11 so I am technically a 'sportsperson') the word 'criminal is totally meaningless. Charles Zwolsman is described as a 'Dutch criminal'. He was a Drugbaron and will probably be remembered for being such, though he is also described as a 'racing driver', so why reduce him to the simple rank of criminal? Hitler was a criminal, Stalin was a criminal, I am a criminal because I got a speeding fine a few weeks ago!Williamgeorgefraser 11:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs)

• You're talking nonsense. Criminal is a term reserved for those who have been convicted of breaking the law, rather than someone who has broken the law and remains unconvicted, for starters. Equally, sportsperson is generally reserved for someone for whom that was a career. The terms are used here to describe why someone is notable. While you have been convicted of a traffic offence and so could, legitimately, be described as a criminal, you are not notable for it so no-one would use it as the major adjective to describe you. Equally, you're not a notable sportsperson, so no-one would apply this to you. It would be preferable if it was listed for what specific form of criminality people excelled in, but if you're just a general multiple-crime offender, then criminal is acceptable. Fol de rol troll (talk) 00:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

On the note of criminals, Johnnie Baton was not the first to be executed in the U.S by Pentobarbital alone, and I would like to refer whoever posted it to "John David Duty" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.173.126 (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Gender

Of the 36 deaths in 2011 since 20 January, is it really possible that only 2 women of note died? one the wife of an Israeli politician and the other a German porn star...oh and also one horse of note died!...all three were among the 21 deaths noted on 20 January. Might Wikipedia make an effort to strike a gender balance in its reporting? T'would be refreshing as we move along in the 21st centurySunestep (talk) 19:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

As Deaths in 2011 only allows for entries supported by independent sources, it is more of a reflection of what mainstream media is reporting as opposed to a specific Wikipedia bias. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 19:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The large majority of notable people are men. Many of the biographies that we have are of people in male-dominated professions: sportspeople, film directors, politicians, inventors, CEOs of major companies etc. Jim Michael (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

So basically what you want is for more notable women to die... Williamb (talk) 09:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Btw, whether a person is a man or a woman is a matter of their sex, not their gender. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 10:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Recent death

The discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 January 28#Template:Recent death may of interest to editors frequenting this page. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

What happened to the recent deaths tag?

What happened to the recent deaths tag? Did it get deleted? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It was only ever meant to be used when an article was being heavily edited, per the advice at Template:Recent death. There is a discussion on the template underway at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Recent death. WWGB (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I looked at several recent deaths yesterday (Tuesday March 1 2011) and it seems that this tag is here to stay. In fact, it seemed to have received more liberal usage! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Don Cox

Maybe Donald Cox, ex Black Panther Party Field Marshall could be added: http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Memorials/htm/In_Memory_Of_Exiled_Fallen_Black_Panther_Party_Field_Marshall_Donald_DC_Cox.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.116.190.53 (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I see no reliable independent media references to confirm notability, only blogs and self-published sources. WWGB (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Wes Leonard

I wonder if the HS basketball player who died after scoring the winning point should be listed. This is very new, but the story is out there, [1] among others.(mercurywoodrose)76.245.46.57 (talk) 02:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Leonard Lomell

I don't know why, but the entry for Leonard Lomell is being deleted almost as many times as the one for Uga, and often by vandals with history. Can someone please remove posting privileges from the offenders? Scarecrow47 (talk) 18:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I've added warnings to the two IPs that seemed the most persistent in removing the info. If they continue I will block them for disruptive editing. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 18:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

May Sweet

I cannot find any reliable source for her death, and the only one given here has retracted their post. She's had a notable death hoax in the past, so this wouldn't be anything new. Eseress (talk) 05:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Johnnie Baston

Hello. Why was the link for Johnnie Baston removed in the March 10 deaths? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC))

Because list entries are linked to their own article, not piped to some generic article like Capital punishment in Ohio#List of individuals executed since 1976 as you did. WWGB (talk) 21:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. Then, what about the March 5 entry of Kim Hill? That link is piped to Fred Hill#Personal life. What's the distinction? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC))

Now fixed. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC))

Michael Gough - star of Doctor Who??

I think that a minority of the fans of the TV programme Doctor Who have done serious damage to many actors' articles on Wikipedia. Is Michael Gough most famous for a role in four episodes of Doctor Who in 1966? Was this one of the pinnacles of his career and what people still remember him for? Outside of serious Doctor Who fans, I don't think so. However this is what you would think from the Deaths in 2011 page. Of course this is referenced by an obituary column from the BBC website, most likely written by a journalist who has researched Michael Gough from his Wikipedia article. I am a Doctor Who fan and have watched the programme for over thirty years. But I am getting mightily fed up with seeing actors' articles where their fleeting appearance in Doctor Who, sometimes even just in a comedy sketch or audio book, is treated in the article like one of their life's great achievements.

rrsmac (talk) 1.30am GMT 18 March 2011.

Agreed, and I've removed it. Appearances in four ancient episodes of a TV series do not trump appearances in The Go-Between, The Boys from Brazil, Out of Africa etc etc. Entries on this page should take into account the full career of the subject, and not rely on an obituary which in this case, is bound to place undue importance on a BBC series, given that it's a BBC obituary. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Kym Bonython

Page is locked so can someone please add Kym Bonython, aged 90, Australian entrepreneur and arts identity to Saturday? News source here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/20/3168700.htm