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TURKEY MUST DELETED FROM THE ARTICLE. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.50.105.115|60.50.105.115]] ([[User talk:60.50.105.115|talk]]) 15:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
TURKEY MUST DELETED FROM THE ARTICLE. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.50.105.115|60.50.105.115]] ([[User talk:60.50.105.115|talk]]) 15:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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TURKEY IS NOT A EUROPEAN COUNTRY: |
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EUROPE IS NOT MIDDLE EAST. |
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TURKEY MUST BE DELETED FROM THE ARTICLE. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.50.105.115|60.50.105.115]] ([[User talk:60.50.105.115|talk]]) 15:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Part of Turkey ([[East Thrace]]) lies in Europe, including Istanbul. [[User:Subtropical-man|Subtropical-man]] ([[User talk:Subtropical-man|talk]]) 15:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
:Part of Turkey ([[East Thrace]]) lies in Europe, including Istanbul. [[User:Subtropical-man|Subtropical-man]] ([[User talk:Subtropical-man|talk]]) 15:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Sub tropical, your name just show your knoledge and concern to Europe: Part of France lies in Africa, South America, Asia, Oceania well France is a South American, Asian, African, Oceanian country an not a European country if Turkey is European. Reunion lies in Africa, French Guayana lies in South America, New Caledonia lies in Oceania. SO FRANCE IS NOT EUROPEAN COUNTRY AS TURKEY IS EUROPEAN!!!!THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS, ISN'T IT? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.48.251.8|60.48.251.8]] ([[User talk:60.48.251.8|talk]]) 03:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Sub tropical, your name just show your knoledge and concern to Europe: Part of France lies in Africa, South America, Asia, Oceania well France is a South American, Asian, African, Oceanian country an not a European country if Turkey is European. Reunion lies in Africa, French Guayana lies in South America, New Caledonia lies in Oceania. SO FRANCE IS NOT EUROPEAN COUNTRY AS TURKEY IS EUROPEAN!!!!THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS, ISN'T IT? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.48.251.8|60.48.251.8]] ([[User talk:60.48.251.8|talk]]) 03:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Population of European Turkey: 71,517,100, Area :783,562 km²?????????????? |
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Turkey is not Europe. EUROPE IS NOT TURKEY. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THEY HANDLED BRAINS?WERE AT THE TOILET? |
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== Greenland is in Europe == |
== Greenland is in Europe == |
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Economy of Europe
I think this would be in the economy section: Europe has a long history as the world's richest and most productive part of the world. At the time of Christ's birth is estimated western European output per capita was approximately 30% higher than the world average. Year 1500 had this advantage increased to 40%.[1] After the development of science and the Industrial Revolution in Europe grew its lead quickly, in 1700 produced an average European almost 70% more than world's average population, and in 1850 was taken over the entire 150%. Around the year 1900 was Western Europe's leading role as the world's most productive area has been taken over by the former European colony of the United States, but Europe has continued to belong to the world's richest, most productive and knowledge-producing regions.[1]
During the Cold War
The sentences 'During the Cold War, Europe was divided along the Iron Curtain between NATO in the west and the Warsaw Pact in the east' (lead) and 'After World War II the map of Europe was redrawn at the Yalta Conference and divided into two blocs, the Western countries and the communist Eastern bloc, separated by what was later called by Winston Churchill an "iron curtain"' imply a complete partition. They do not account for the neutral countries. 212.183.140.19 (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
- Having grown up in the US during the 1970s and '80s, I can tell you that there was no distinction made by my teachers between Warsaw Pact countries and non-Warsaw Pact communist countries. Nor was there any great distinction drawn between NATO countries and non-NATO capitalist countries. Switzerland was seen as Western European ('us') while Yugoslavia was seen as Eastern European ('them'), there was no recognition of a neutral stance. At least that's the way it was presented to me. --Khajidha (talk) 12:44, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
edit request
I was thinking of adding information on Warsaw Confederation from January 28, 1573, as it was in fact the first document providing the citizens total religious freedom. The document was included by UNESCO in Memory of the World Programme (also called World Documentary Heritage). I believe that such important event should be mentioned in the article about Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.99.14.6 (talk) 09:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
And, of course, Constitution of May 3, signed in 1791, as the first modern European Constitution should be included as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.99.14.6 (talk) 09:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like to add something on this article, actually remove a mistake... Northern Cyprus is not a country, no other nation in the world (excluding Turkey) recognizes Northern Cyprus as a country, so this mistake shouldn't even exist in Wikipedia. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.110.254.217 (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Image bloat
The image bloat is horrible. In the section Definition there are three images side by side, at left "the Historical Europe-Asia boundaries", in the middle the "Clickable map of Europe" and at right "Europa regina map". I think the half number of the current images are justified, the rest can go. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 15:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'll try to shrink the image texts. Maybe most of the images are informative after all. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 15:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Recent blanking of maps
Disruption to article by sockpuppet of indefinitely banned user User:Satt 2
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When maps have been in the article for a long time and where a consensus has been painstakingly developed, one editor should not unilaterally blank them, That was true in particular of the prinicpal clickable map, which is the result of many days of discussion over several years. Mathsci (talk) 05:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
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Definition/Geography and Extent
As it stands, there is a pointless overlap between the two. I suggest redefining the geography section to simply Geography, and move all extent information up to the definition section. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 07:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- Seems fine to me. Mathsci (talk) 07:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
countries not entirely in Europe
I agree with: Russia; Georgia; Turkey; Kazakhstan; Azerbaijan. But what about France and Spain? Brownturkey (talk) 19:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- If this is in regards to the maps in political geography, the ones coloured are coloured due to the fact that somehow a line is drawn through them artificially separating them between Europe and Asia. The border between Asia and Europe isn't based on any geographic reasoning, and these countries are often found in lists of European and Asian countries. Spain and France, with the vast bulk of their territory firmly in Europe, including major political and demographic centres, have territories that are outside of Europe, but clearly separated (and so the border is not blurred). I have yet to see France or Spain pop up in a general RS list of South American or African countries anyway. If you see one, please inform me! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- France is listedon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America Brownturkey (talk) 06:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well, we can't cite wikipedia. Anyway, the whole point of the map is to give credence to all definitions of Europe. Although there is a predominant view of what the border between Europe and Asia is (the one shown by the white/grey contrast on the map) it is not exactly clear cut. Thus for countries which cross that undefined border between Europe and Asia, the font is blue to hopefully enlighten the reader of this. Colouring France, Spain, the Netherlands, and Denmark in blue two would most likely simply confuse the reader, as they would be wondering where on that map they cross a border. In the end there's only so much a map can do without accompanying text, which is why we have the Boundaries between continents and List of transcontinental countries to explain further in addition to the definition section on this page. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 07:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- France is listedon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America Brownturkey (talk) 06:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- "The border between Asia and Europe isn't based on any geographic reasoning". You can't really say that. Geographical features are used to draw the border, they are just not uniquely defined in some areas.
- Otherwise, I agree with Chipmunkdavis' argumentation for not including Spain and France in this list at the moment. I see that technically, it would be correct to include them. The Gibraltar straight is a well-known, unique geographical border, and Spain has territories across it. So, I would not exclude this option for all times. However, I think we should not be the first ones here on Wikipedia to proof a point, if it is not proven elsewhere. Finding evidence of the kind that Chip has mentioned (e.g., Spain appears in a list on African countries) would be a good starting point to give momentum here.
- As an aside, the Azerbaijan presenter at the Eurovision Song Contest hailed, according to herself (!), from Asia, which was a very big surprise for me. Tomeasy T C 04:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think the existing note about France having politically integrated overseas territories is sufficient. I suppose a similar note could be provided for the map, though I don't personally think it is necessary. As for Spain, I'm not sure that Ceuta and Melilla can be counted as part of Spain (since 1995), even if they are Spanish territory. --Boson (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ceuta and Melilla are full parts of Spain, as are the Canary Islands and the Plazas de soberanía. Although not part of an autonomous community, they're a full part of the state. Even the parts of France that are not under full metropolitan law are noted as integral parts of the French Republic by the French government and constitution. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Europe is secular
First of all, Europe specifically excludes the United States.
Also, Europe is primarily secular. Hare Krishna, Christianity and Scientology are a Johnny come lately fad in Europe. There are religions that are more European and have therefore been around much longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.40.45.183 (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
TURKEY IS NOT A EUROPEAN COUNTRY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_east EUROPE IS NOT MIDDLE EAST. TURKEY MUST DELETED FROM THE ARTICLE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.105.115 (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
- Part of Turkey (East Thrace) lies in Europe, including Istanbul. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Sub tropical, your name just show your knoledge and concern to Europe: Part of France lies in Africa, South America, Asia, Oceania well France is a South American, Asian, African, Oceanian country an not a European country if Turkey is European. Reunion lies in Africa, French Guayana lies in South America, New Caledonia lies in Oceania. SO FRANCE IS NOT EUROPEAN COUNTRY AS TURKEY IS EUROPEAN!!!!THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS, ISN'T IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.251.8 (talk) 03:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Population of European Turkey: 71,517,100, Area :783,562 km²?????????????? Turkey is not Europe. EUROPE IS NOT TURKEY. WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THEY HANDLED BRAINS?WERE AT THE TOILET?
Greenland is in Europe
Greenland is in Europe. It stands tall against cocacolonization and will never surrender to the United States occupying forces. It stands alongside Denmark and others as a European country. It is the diamond on Europe's crown. United States Zero. It is official. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.167.68.107 (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Newly added table on provinces, etc, in Political geography
A new table was added by ClungeLover69 (talk · contribs) to the Political geography section. Since it seemed to be largely unsourced WP:OR, I reverted it to allow for discussion here per WP:BRD. I didn't look at each entry in detail; however, I could see no particular reason for including Bavaria, Brittany or for placing a French flag next to Catalonia. The table seemed to be potentially contentious. Its inclusion would just create instability because of the lack of sources and the arbitrariness of the entries. Mathsci (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Agree, the list added had too many issues as it was introduced. Moreover, I cannot imagine that it will possible at all to agree on universal criteria for in- and exclusion of items on this list. Tomeasy T C 20:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
- Agree. Arbitrary inclusion criteria, with no apparent solution. I was surpised when it popped up.DLinth (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Land use map
The land use map seems completely wrong. According to this map, there is almost no forest in mainland Europe while Scandinavia is almost 100% forested. The description of the meaning of colours is incoplete. Markoeltermann (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's all correct. Mainland Europe has few contiguous forest areas left that are large enough to show. Scandinavia is shown as mostly forested (true), with, as you head NW toward the oceans, first a strip of mostly pasture land and then a strip of tundra-bogs. You are correct....that last category was omitted from the caption; just added it back in.DLinth (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- ^ a b Madisson, Angus (2009). [http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/Historical_Statistics/horizontal-file_09-2008.xls Statistics on World Population, GDP and Per Capita GDP, 1-2006 AD].
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