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Isn't this article a COI?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wikipedia having an article about itself a COI? Osarius : T : C : Been CSD'd? 17:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Only individual editors can have a conflict of interest. Do you know of anyone who has a financial interest in Wikipedia who has been editing this article? — Satori Son 03:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Of course everyone editing the article will have at least a faint apparent COI - they are a volunteer with the subject of the article. So what? The same can be said of the articles for "Computers" (as all editors are using a computer or computer-like device to contribute), the "Internet" (as all editors presumably contribute via the internet), or even "Humans" (as all editors are, presumably, human). --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 00:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

The article on Earth was nominated for deletion because everyone had a conflict of interest and all the sources used were primary sources. hare j 06:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Awesome. But I'd imagine the date might have been significant. (Love the close comment.."you're late" :) -Pete (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Bias

Removing bias from the article entitled Wikipedia

There seems to be something of a bias in this article. Not enormously surprisingly, criticisms of Wikipedia seem to be down-played, and nothing negative is said without the flip-side stated ASAP. Yes, fair to a degree, but it is as though any criticism absolutely must be negated. The article reads to me as a retort to anyone who has something bad to say about Wikipedia and, let's face it, a little like propaganda. Gingermint (talk) 01:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I am a huge Wikipedia fan. Gingermint (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you give any examples of what you consider to be biased in the article, it would make it a lot easier to address your concerns if we had a better idea about what aspects of the article you think need to be changed.--76.66.180.220 (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Any criticism should show both sides in order to be neutral. But yes, specific examples would be useful. Яehevkor ✉ 09:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Really? In honesty, I feel Wikipedia is being too hard on itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.27.116 (talk) 15:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Documenting accusations of bias about articles in general

Three examples came up by quickly Googling the subject (regarding bias on Wikipedia in general):

1. In the article on George W. Bush on PBS;
2. An issue that required the intervention of none other than Jimbo Wales himself on The Daily Telegraph, backed up by the relevant article talk page;
3. Pro-terrorist organizations and generally anti-Israel on Haaretz.

I am certain that more WP:RS can be found that make similar accusations, doesn't that merit a small "accusations of bias" section? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

A new section should not be added to the Wikipedia article, because accusations of bias are already covered in the daughter article Reliability of Wikipedia. There's room for expanding Reliability of Wikipedia if the material is properly sourced. Note that, due to the structure of the article, the discussion of bias is split between the Assessments and Notable incidents sections. -- JTSchreiber (talk) 05:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

See, therein lies the problem: by omitting the section from the main article, the reader gets the wrongful perception that there is little to no controversy, as people normally read the main article to get acquired with the subject matter while mostly not even getting to Reliability of Wikipedia. As per WP:NPOV, we should create a section with {{main}} linking to the daughter article. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 06:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

What about Wikipedia#Reliability? Яehevkor ✉ 17:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

It's a subheading, which could be followed by the "Accusations of bias" subheading. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The pie chart should be replaced

The pie chart is from 2008, which by internet standards is completely archaic, not to mention the millions of article that have been written in this time. Can somebody make a more relevant pie chart or find one that is more up to date.

Kobbra (talk) 09:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

How to add categories to an article?

This is probably the wrong place to put this, but how do you add categories to an article? I can't figure it out. SailorSonic

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Editing Request

I am requesting the addition of some text at the top in case someone enters the wrong title. It would say:

This is the article on Wikipedia itself. You may be looking for the Main Page.

Something like that. It can be modified in any way.

Multi Trixes! (Talk - Me on Wikia) 18:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

 Not done The link to Wikipedia:About is already sufficient, per WP:SRTA self references should be avoided. Яehevkor ✉ 18:45, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Self-referential links

There are several cross-namespace links in the body of this article - one to Wikipedia:Size of Wikipedia in the lead, and some to WP:V and WP:NPOV later on (using {{srlink}}). These should probably be removed, and replaced with citations using external links. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph beginning: "Though the English Wikipedia"

Rather than being bold & immediately changing this paragraph, I'm setting out here what I as needing to be changed.

"Though the English Wikipedia reached three million articles in August 2009, the growth of the edition, in terms of the numbers of articles and of contributors, appeared to have flattened off around early 2007."

The graph adjacent to the sentence shows the number of articles growing very rapidly around 2007. A non-mathematically sophisticated reader is likely to miss the inflection point and think the graph contradicts the sentence. Perhaps a graph of growth rate could be added.

"appeared to have flattened off" - weasely.

"In 2006, about 1,800 articles were added daily to the encyclopedia; by 2010 that average was roughly 1,000.[39] A team at the Palo Alto Research Center speculated that this is due to the increasing exclusiveness of the project.[40] New or occasional editors have significantly higher rates of their edits reverted (removed) than an elite group of regular editors, colloquially known as the "cabal." This could make it more difficult for the project to recruit and retain new contributors over the long term, resulting in stagnation in article creation. Others suggest that the growth is flattening naturally because the low-hanging fruit already exist.[41][42]

Why say "roughly"? Is the average number of articles added daily not available for 2010?

"New or occasional editors have significantly higher rates of their edits reverted." Is this a statement of fact or a speculation from Palo Alto? And is "increasing exclusiveness" demonstrable or a Palo Alto opinion?

"than an elite group of regular editors" ?? Saying "than regular editors" or perhaps "than experienced editors" is clearer. Why characterize them as "elite"?

"colloquially known as the "cabal." Known to whom as the "cabal"? I have edited here for quite a while without seeing the term used. Perhaps the term "cabal" is actually used by some "insiders", but it does not improve the sentence to say so. It distracts from the main point.

"Colloquially"? Calling the regular editors "the boys in the back" or "Jimmy's kids" might be considered colloquial but calling them the "cabal" is not colloquial IMO.

"because the low-hanging fruit already exist" Now I think that is colloquial.

I hope this is useful comment. Wanderer57 (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)