User talk:Muboshgu

ken griffey jr.

hey man, not trying to vandalize anything, i just think that alot of what is considered is public knowledge in this day and age about one of the most celebrated baseball players of the 1990-2000s. He is also known to be a CF, RF, DH, occasional LF and 1B. I understand the want to verify and make this page as completely encyclopedic as possible; however, again, a lot of this IS public knowledge and thusly needs no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.75.135 (talk) June 16, 2011, 19:47 (UTC)

Re: Minor league category

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Wisconsin

Hello, are you ever going to respond to the discussion on the 2011 Wisconsin protests article? S51438 (talk) 03:57, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

What discussion? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

== Copyright violations ==

Per Wikipedia's policy on Copyright Violations, I removed several blocks of text that were cut-and-pasted from copyrighted web pages (with only slight alterations):

• This edit copied from the Wall Street Journal opinion page.
• This edit copied from The Chippewa Herald.
• This edit copied from The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

According to Wikipedia's policy on Non-free content, small blocks of text can be copied if they're in quotation marks or block-quoted and clearly attributed as quotations. But in this case, a better choice would be to rewrite the text and paraphrase.

I suspect there are numerous other cases of WP:COPYVIO in this article. Davemck (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Re-added with paraphrases. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's better, but I think there are still copyvio problems -- some sentences are still virtually identical. There's a good discussion, with examples, of what to avoid at WP:Close_paraphrasing. (I probably should not have used the term paraphrase; "close paraphrasing" can still be copyvio.) I think Wikipedia text should be written so that the reader can't detect that the writer has ever seen the source article, other than that they convey the same facts.

The first edit above (from the WSJ opinion page) brings up a different problem: opinion pages are not reliable sources. As WP:NEWSORG says, "Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces are reliable for attributed statements as to the opinion of the author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact." A case in point is the WSJ sentence "Public unions depend entirely on tax revenues to fund their pay and benefits." That's pretty clearly not true -- but after all, it's just an opinion. Davemck (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Precisely on the WSJ opinion page. I'm removing that statement that "all union moneys come from the taxpayers" because that doesn't make sense on its face. I've paid union dues. Where do they go? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention that whole sentence was a WP:COPYVIO from the partisan opinion piece cited. There are a good number of COPYVIO and NPOV violations on this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Muboshgu, you clearly are not looking at this issue in a non-partisan manner regarding the small sentence "Union members in the public sector are paid entirely from tax revenues". You have not made a case to dispute this sentence, and continue to disrupt editing. Your union dues go to pay the union leaders, political campaigns, and various other things. As a union member, I'm surprised you do not know such things. Union members clearly can not edit this article without having a biased point of view. S51438 (talk) 16:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

My "bias" is towards fact, and opinion pages don't meet that level of WP:V. I am challenging this based on WP:V. You need to assume good faith and not use derogatory language about other editors. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I assume you have removed "all" opinion references from this page? What you removed WAS fact, regardless of what source it came from. You know it's true. S51438 (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Alexautographs

Do you just keep a giant list of all the articles I've ever written? You're flooding my inbox! :=D. Keep it up, it saves me the trouble. Alex (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia keeps the list. You should save yourself the trouble of creating these articles in the first place. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Well when I write them, they seem notable. Some of the articles I nominate that I AfD I don't even recall writing...because I have written so many articles. Alex (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Since they seem notable to you when you start them, perhaps we could work something out where you propose the idea to a few of us and we give input before you start the page? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Halvorsen brian proposed this very idea to Alex in August of last year at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Novosel, but Alex's response was, "I could. But I'm not going to." I still think this is a viable option that should be further considered. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 22:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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How is starting a category of famous obese people vandalism? Obesity is a serious disease that affects millions of people? It is a double standard to have a category of famous people with Parkinsons, but not obesity? I don't understand. I wasn't trying to vandalize any pages, i was hoping to start a category that others could add to because i was genuinely interested in knowing more about this particular subject.

Curious why this was considered vandalism

How is starting a category of famous obese people vandalism? Obesity is a serious disease that affects millions of people? It is a double standard to have a category of famous people with Parkinsons, but not obesity? I don't understand. I wasn't trying to vandalize any pages, i was hoping to start a category that others could add to because i was genuinely interested in knowing more about this particular subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.182.78.105 (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

RE: Alexsautographs

copypasta

Sorry, you'll have to pursue this without me. There's plenty of proof of disruption littered throughout his edits, including his favoritism displayed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Kotchman. I've really just gotta stay away from this place for a while. I feel like if I brought this to WP:ANI I'd be the one that gets vilified. I feel responsible for the temper tantrum he's had at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Baseball, and I don't want to be the one to take this any further. I can't believe he's reacted this way. He must be stopped. I'm on break, though, until at least December. There's only so much of this passive aggressive bullshit that I can take. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 21:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

NY-13021 (talk · contribs) has expressed his desire to seek disciplinary action for Alex, as well. Seeing as how there's now three that are willing to bring this to ANI, I think you or KV5 should go ahead and start it. KV5 is an administrator, after all. Alex has taken this way too personally and I feel responsible for his tantrum that has disrupted WikiProject Baseball and completely derailed my projects to expand baseball articles in order to respond to all of his improper AFDs, and my presence on ANI would only make things worse. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 01:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

See my comments at my talk page; I will certify an RfC/U but don't feel that I am involved enough to be the initial filer. — KV5 • Talk • 22:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll probably start it this afternoon. I've been busy. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Theo Epstein

Hi,

not sure where to ask for a page protection, but Theo Epstein sorely needs it to prevent an edit war in response to his expected (but not official) move to the Chicago Cubs. Any help you can provide would be phenomenal.

--Boston Burkenation (talk) 16:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:RFPP. I haven't seen it yet, but I bet it does need protection. I'm on it. Watch what I do for future reference. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

RFC/U

Regarding the RFC/U you opened, I might suggest you annotate the link under "Evidence of disputed behavior" so readers (esp. those that dont know the background) know what each behavior is at a high level without having to read the contents in its entirety.—Bagumba (talk) 22:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, was this the actual RFC/U or a draft? Its not liked anywhere.—Bagumba (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

If it was a draft, I can help look it over or perhaps even modify the wording so I can certify.—Bagumba (talk) 00:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

It's not a draft. This is my first RfC/U, so maybe I should've drafted it in userspace first. Oh well, too late for htat. I'll annotate those links now. Please suggest any further changes. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:16, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, well, if you havent linked it anywhere, and no outside people have commented, technically its not live yet. I'm signing off, but will try to take a peak later tonight. It does need to be spruced up if we want outsiders to easily be able to understand the situation and provide feedback.—Bagumba (talk) 00:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

It's been listed now since it was certified, and I've added a summary, but feel free to continue adding further evidence. — KV5 • Talk • 01:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for certifying. Please suggest any ways I can improve it as time goes on. I'll keep adding evidence as I see it. Do we have to notify Alex in any manner? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jarred Cosart

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2011 ALCS MVP

Sorry for posting the info prematurely, but now the MVP winner is offical. –BuickCenturyDriver 03:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

It's okay, but please don't do it again. Yogi Berra once said "it ain't over 'till it's over." – Muboshgu (talk) 03:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Accusations of Commentary

This isn't commentary. I'm as unbiased as any. If you bothered googling it, you would have seen the poll in question. Here. --Jobsjobsjobs (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

"If [I] had bothered googling it"? It's not up to me to google anything. It's up to you to add a reliable source. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

My bad. --Jobsjobsjobs (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Triple Crown jewels

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Triple crown upon Muboshgu for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Thank you for all your contributions to the project! SMasters (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Mantle

I got every biography about Mantle, I could help out there when I get the time. Thanks Secret ^account 17:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Perfect. It's become my new GA project and I could use all the help I can get, especially since I don't have those biographies. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Luke Scott

This was discussed last year and the consensus is to not include. It does not matter if an ip address keeps re adding it and no complaints about it. Do not revert again. Truthsort (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

You are misreading that talk page pretty severely. I changed my mind from against including it to including it. Spanerraol favors inclusion. Kinston eagle spoke in support of including it. Now you're edit warring in removing the info, when the burden should be on you to support its removal. I caution you not to remove content again without talking it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

And Me, Strikerforce, Killervogel5, an ip address that had been active (99.141.243.84), DJSasso, Loadmaster, and Rugbyhelp opposed it. Eventually you and the supporters left the discussion and were okay with conclusion. Truthsort (talk) 21:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

There was definitely that opposition to including it, yes. I don't see supporters leaving the discussion, though. The last comment in that thread was by Spanneraol in support of inclusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

afds

Why are you trying to delete so many articles at once? I dont have the time to review all these guys today... As for minor league managers... My personal belief is that managing in the minor leagues is a more notable accomplishment than playing and If it was my choice i'd keep all articles on guys that had substantial managing careers... but at the least i'd want to keep guys that won manager of the year awards or multiple championships.. Spanneraol (talk) 01:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I started going through Alexsautographs creations figuring there were good PROD candidates. After I PROD'd them, he de-PROD'd with no reason for most of them. So I naturally took it to the next level. In hindsight, I should've nominated two or so at a time to lighten the burden on other participants. I'll remember that for the future.

Regarding minor league managers, I agree it's more notable than being a minor league player. However, lots of these guys were in Class-C and Class-D leagues. Considering how many of them there were before reorganization, that to me seems less notable than our present day Class-A. I'd agree with manager of the years, but not championship winners necessarily. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gavin Newsom. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

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The application of the definition of "edit warring" needs fixing. I'm not "edit warring". I'm preventing a disruptive editor from messing with a BLP. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Babe Ruth

was a coach for the Brooklyn Dodgers ca. 1948. That's probably why he was included in that category. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh duh, you're right. I forgot about that. Good call. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Make that 1938. He wasn't in any shape to be coaching or doing much of anything else in 1948. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Please Stop!

Please refrain from nominating every page you disagree with for deletion. I have tagged most of them for {{rescue}}, leaving the general wikipedian public to decide there fait. Most of these Baseball players you are trying to remove from our website have achieved multiple titles, solidifying the notability on wikipedia. Abuse of the AfD tag is extreemly disruptive, and takes up valuable time from administrators that could be better spent dealing with the bigger problems. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I'm not "abusing" the AfD tag. I'm nominating articles I don't think are notable. Second, winning titles does not "solidify notability". Show me where that automatically qualifies someone for GNG. Third, the word is "fate", not "fait". – Muboshgu (talk) 20:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I apologize I am not the best speller, however I stand by my decision to tag the articles for {{rescue}}, I am not a reviewer, I am simply leaving it to the hands of our fellow wikipedians to choose if these are notable or not, some have already fallen under a WP:Snow Keep, Please have a nice day. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with your tagging articles for rescue. It's up to the community to vote keep or delete in any particular AfD, so it's certainly possible for any and all to be kept. You'll notice I withdrew nominations on some of the snow keeps. However, many of those articles fit the patterns of deletable articles and I see no problem with the nominations specifically. You have a nice day yourself. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the problem is with shear volume of articles.. between you and Alex we now have around 40 articles up for deletion and a slew of prods to go through... I know you dont want to call it an afd war but it seems like alex is trying to match your numbers and it just escalates... hopefully we can refrain from adding more articles till the ones already there have worked their way through the process.Spanneraol (talk) 20:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Alex dePROD'd a few more articles I want to run through an AfD, but I'm holding off until the current ones are sorted out. Even though an "AfD war" was not my intent, I can see the outside perspective can easily construe this as one. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Red Snapp

Thanks for the note. It's fun to come across a guy like Snapp who appears at first glance to be a reasonable AfD candidate, and to then find more and more stuff that turns into something really interesting. Finding on-line sourcing for players of this era is difficult, but there are some good resources out there, some free like la84foundation, and others that require a subscription like newspaperarchive.com (an excellent source for newspaper articles from the pre-1922 era) and paperofrecord.com (which includes a complete searchable archive of The Sporting News). Cbl62 (talk) 05:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Dámaso Marté's nationality and the lead

Just curious, whereabouts in the MOS does it say not to include nationality in the lead? WP:OPENPARA is what I've always gone by, and 3.1 is pretty clear that nationality is fine, but ethnicity needn't be mentioned unless relevant to notability. Regards, Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 16:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I confused myself between "nationality" and "ethnicity". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Assistance requested

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I'm not sure how to do that. Ask editors associated with the bot for assistance. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Troy Polamalu

I seen someone changed your last change of Troy playing for the steelers. Someone changed it to the Bears incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.142.62.24 (talk) 14:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruben Rivera

I find it hard to believe that for a guy who spent parts of 9 seasons in the majors and garnered a World Series ring, that a minor and comical baserunning incident (in the month of May, yet) would be the highlight of the guy's career. Had it made some critical difference late in the season or in the post-season, that could be another matter... or if it was widely covered over time, such as Babe Herman's "doubled into a double play" incident in the 1930s. P.S. If someone's comments are highly insulting and have nothing to do with improving the article, I see no problem in your deleting them. In fact, the user has it wrong. An incident in a player's career does not just need to be verified as having happened, it needs to be verified for notability. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for saying that. It makes me feel a little less crazy. All I'm trying to do is maintain the general principles of Wikipedia, and I'm being considered a bad guy on par with the personal attacker. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Just be careful not to fall into the 3-reverts trap. There have been some block-happy admins around here lately. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Considering an IP has now started making that edit adding the baserunning event, I could use your help in reverting it and/or deciding whether or not to go forward with a sockpuppet investigation. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I had somehow failed to put it on my watch list the other day, but it's on it now. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I expect that edit warring isn't over yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Seattle Pilots Template

Yes, thanks for the heads up. I need some help with it. Not sure where to get information on their one year of existence. Please help if you can. Arnabdas (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Retrosheet has just about any stats anyone would want to know, and probably a lot more, about the one-year wonder called the Seattle Pilots.[1] And if you want some real inside dope, find a copy of Jim Bouton's book Ball Four. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

However, be aware that there is already a Template:Milwaukee Brewers that may well cover the 1969 season adequately. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

We were talking about {{1969 Seattle Pilots}}. I showed him the B-Ref pages, but Retrosheet works well too. I really do need to read Ball Four one of these days. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I think Baseball-Reference gets a lot of its info from Retrosheet. I know Baseball Almanac does. Jim Bouton's Ball Four inspired a lot of imitators, although Jim Brosnan's works from a decade earlier, The Long Season and Pennant Race, were kind of the precursor to this "diary" style of writing. Brosnan's work was controversial in its day, but it was pretty tame compared to Ball Four. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Red Snapp

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)