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Category:LGBT musicians by nationality

Propose renaming Category:LGBT musicians by nationality to Category:LGBT musicians by country

Nominator's rationale: Rename. There are three other similar categories and they all use "by country". The parent is "by nationality" though so it may be that the other three should be changed instead. Either way, as long as they all end up the same. 70.226.160.214 (talk) 23:09, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Doctor Who history

Category:Doctor Who history - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Vague inclusion criteria, I can't see what connection there is between category and contents. Tim! (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Whoniverse

Category:Whoniverse - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Already deleted once before here. Tim! (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Whoniverse chronology

Category:Whoniverse chronology - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Vague inclusion criteria, I can't see what connection there is between category and contents. Tim! (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1988 documentary films

Category:1988 documentary films - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: This is overcategorization - we dont categorize film by genre and year, just simply genre and decade. Lugnuts (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Breakdown by genre and decade seems sufficient. Shirtwaist ☎ 21:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hockey navigational boxes

Propose renaming Category:Hockey navigational boxes to Category:Inline hockey navigational boxes

Nominator's rationale: Confusing name, since ice hockey and field hockey navboxes are elsewhere. The Wikipedia article is inline hockey, though it might be better known to some as roller hockey.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 16:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Sounds good; I don't think I considered that at the time. —Ms2ger (talk) 18:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serbian post-punk music groups

Delete. In the mentioned period of Yugoslavia there was no clear Serbian nationality to music groups, unless properly referenced by sources. Otherwise not so NPOV. Honorsteem (talk) 12:04, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same rationale for Category:Serbian New Wave musical groups — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honorsteem (talk • contribs) 12:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As part of the bigger scheme of genre by country. If the problem lies with the article, it should be removed from the category, not the other way around. Lugnuts (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia as a country didn't exist in the period (late 1970s–mid-1980s) the category is supposed to cover. -- Honorsteem (talk) 22:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Narcotics

Propose merging Category:Narcotics to Category:General anesthetics

Nominator's rationale: Change redirect (or Delete). Currently redirects to Category:Opioids. This is problematic because pages get automatically sorted as opioids even if they aren't. Would Category:General anesthetics be an appropriate redirect target? The only problem might be that "General anesthetics" usually means pharmaceuticals while "Narcotics" can be understood in more general terms. The article Narcotic also says that the term is not well defined (in the US), so simply deleting might avoid confusion. ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women in theoretical computer science

Propose merging Category:Women in theoretical computer science to Category:Women computer scientists

Nominator's rationale: see "Women in applied computer science" CfD. Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Computer scientists. I see no reason to split them between men and women. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Women computer scientists If we would have wanted a category intersection here it should have been between Category:Computer scientists by field of research and Category:Woman. "Theoretical computer science" is either to coarse or to fine grained here. —Ruud 21:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women in applied computer science

Propose merging Category:Women in applied computer science to Category:Women computer scientists

Nominator's rationale: The cat "Women computer scientists" was subdivided in an arbitrary and non-useful way by User:Henriettapussycat a few months ago. Lots of women in computer science were assigned by this user to one category or the other. Computer science doesn't split up this cleanly, and most of these women don't fit one category or the other so well. Dicklyon (talk) 04:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Computer scientists. I see no reason to split them between men and women. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a separate proposal that we can consider. Right now it's not what we are discussing; just proposal we undo the recently added level of division of the women computer scientists. Dicklyon (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Women computer scientists If we would have wanted a category intersection here it should have been between Category:Computer scientists by field of research and Category:Woman. "Applied computer science" is either to coarse or to fine grained here. It also need to be verified that the woman listed in this category are truly computer scientist and not computer programmers or other computer professionals. —Ruud 21:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian television programming

Propose merging Category:Ukrainian television programming into Category:Ukrainian television programs (or vice versa)

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category for Ukraine. Note that the Category:Television programming by country has various countries using “programming”, “programs” or “programmes”. Hugo999 (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Category:Ukrainian television programming into Category:Ukrainian television programs.--Cattus ^talk 16:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as Cattus proposes in above entry. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graduates of Turkish military academies

Propose renaming Category:Graduates of the Turkish Military College to Category:Turkish Military College alumni

Propose renaming Category:Graduates of the Ottoman Military College to Category:Ottoman Military College alumni

Nominator's rationale: Per all subcategories of Category:Alumni by university or college in Turkey.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Graduates of air force academies

Propose renaming Category:Graduates of air force academies to Category:Alumni of air force academies

Nominator's rationale: Other such categories use "Alumni" rather than "graduates."-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree on having a standard term. Alumni means ex-student. Remember Tom Lehrer's song, "Halls of Ivy" I think, where he mentions "old graduates and old undergraduates" ie including those who did not graduate or dropped out! Hugo999 (talk) 12:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graduates of UK military academies

Propose renaming Category:Woolwich graduates to Category:Alumni of Royal Military Academy, Woolwich

Propose renaming Category:Sandhurst graduates to Category:Alumni of Royal Military Academy Sandhurst

Propose renaming Category:RAF College Cranwell graduates to Category:Alumni of Royal Air Force College Cranwell

Propose renaming Category:Graduates of the Staff College, Camberley to Category:Alumni of the Staff College, Camberley

Propose renaming Category:Britannia Royal Naval College graduates to Category:Alumni of Britannia Royal Naval College

Nominator's rationale: Matching all subcategories of Category:Alumni by university or college in the United Kingdom. No, I don't know why some have commas and some don't.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2011 (UTC

Military academies are distinct from higher education establishments. The term alumnus is never used (to the best of my knowledge) to refer to someone who has successfully complete a commissioning course at a British military academy. Terminological accuracy trumps category standardization. Greenshed (talk) 12:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose -- The term alumni is a rare one in UK. There is thus no reason to change this form graduates. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Duntroon graduates

Propose renaming Category:Duntroon graduates to Category:Royal Military College, Duntroon alumni

Nominator's rationale: To match all other categories in Category:Alumni by university or college in Australia.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: are there any sources that indicate that Duntroon graduates are referred to as alumni? I've not heard this term used before, but of course it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Nevertheless, within the lexicon of the college, in my experience, members who complete the course are referred to as "graduates" of the college and one spends 18 long months aiming to "graduate" rather than aiming to "become an alumnus". For me, I would argue that "Category:Dutroon graduate" is in line with other military institutions such as "Category:Woolwich graduates" and "Category:Sandhurst graduates", but I note that they also appear to have been tagged for renaming. I wonder if there is a reason for this other than just internal consistency. I'm not experienced in the world of category names, though, so it would be great to get a broad range of opinions before we decide what to do here. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point - "alumni" is an awkward formalism, the more common colloquial term is "graduate". The problem is that you could say that about any university - commonly, people who finish a bachelor's degree are called "graduates", but every other category in the Australian hierarchy uses "alumni" regardless. At any rate, they use "alumni" for Category:United States Naval Academy alumni, Category:United States Military Academy alumni, and Category:United States Air Force Academy alumni. The British hierarchy uses a mixture of "alumni" and "graduates" with no standard syntax.

At any rate, the phrase "Duntroon graduates" is meaningless to someone outside Australia. As Australians we know immediately what "Duntroon" is - but foreigners won't. So at a minimum, the title should be amended to "Royal Military College, Duntroon graduates", and we can argue over "graduates" vs "alumni" at a later date. Miracle Pen (talk) 14:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cold War documentary films

Propose renaming Category:Cold War documentary films to Category:Documentary films about the Cold War

Nominator's rationale: All subcategories of Category:Documentary films by war follow the target format, but Category:Cold War films does not. So we should pick one.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The Bushranger identified the convention at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 November 23#Category:World War II air force films:

"Category:Films by war is subcategorised using the "(War name) (X) films" format. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)"[reply]

so the nomination is invalid as previously and clearly indicated at WP:CFDS#Speedy Objections. Target for Today (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Years in British Guiana

Propose renaming

Nominator's rationale: Rename. During these years, "Guyana" was "British Guiana". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support the principle but with so few categories actually created in this series, I would suggest merging into Category:1930s in British Guiana, etc, with a parent Category:British Guiana by decade. This would be without prejudice to re-creation when all could be properly populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- But decade categories are not really a good idea over by century ones. In addition the by decade categories add in problems at the century boundary. 1900 is in the 19th century and not the 20th which is where we put the decade category for that boundary year. So keeping the year categories which do no harm is not an unreasonable alternative. While our coverage of the country is light, there is much material that can be added over time. Or if we really don't want the by year categories, just move them into the century ones.Vegaswikian (talk) 18:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - If they are in the categories for "YEAR in South America", that might be enough. I agree that most of these are unlikely to have more than one article in them. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 20:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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