User talk:LWG

Hey, no problem at all - always nice to hear from a fellow, civil Wikipedian! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookish.blogger (talk • contribs) 18:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia

Welcome!

Hello, LWG, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Speaking of notability...

I just saved the article you've been working on, Lake Aurora, from almost certain WP:AFD death. Don't be too mad at me... it was necessary. It would have been nominated eventually and would have been a certain delete, but as an article about a lake with a summer camp on it, it is safe from the Wikipedia deletion cabal. Sorry, this is about the best you can hope for. VictorianMutant (talk) 05:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not mad at all, I agree that that article was of questionable notability. When I took it on it was much worse, but I'm generally unwilling to delete articles, so I just cut it down to a more encyclopediac article about a still non-notable subject. Changing it to refer to the lake itself is a brilliant idea. LWG (talk) 14:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Just saw an edit on Race and intelligence of yours

Hi, LWG, I just saw a new edit of yours to Race and intelligence, an article that recently came out from under a long Arbitration Committee case. I was wondering if you would like to discuss further on the article talk page what the sources say about the relevance of the Flynn effect to the article topic. Meanwhile, I have reverted your edit, because I think there is a sourced basis for leaving in article text the passage you just removed, but let's talk and discuss how we both might improve the article, which definitely needs a lot of work after years of edit-warring. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I just stumbled across that while doing some research, and removed it because it seemed to be essentially saying "unknown factors could have effects", which is a meaningless statement. I posted a request on the talk to have it clarified. LWG (talk) 23:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Softpedia for deletion

The article Softpedia is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Softpedia (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

No problem, that's what Wikipedia is for! PBP (talk) 03:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for reverting the very crude vandalism on the article on sausage. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing! LWG ^talk 21:19, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Bible

Hi LWG, thanks for wanting to resolve this, but how long do you want me to talk about the same thing. We've been talking about the same thing over and over, and it's getting nowhere. This is clearly against WP policy what he's doing. I think I need an Admin to step in. This is really ridiculous. WalkerThrough (talk) 19:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

As long as necessary for a peaceful resolution. Slrub is not violating any wikipedia policy by making good faith edits which in his opinion improve the article in accordance with wikipedia's principles. If he is mistaken in his opinions, it is our job to "make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification". By escalating the situation and expecting instant agreement to your wishes, you are only making things difficult for all concerned.

And speaking pragmatically, there is zero chance that you will succeed in an ANI dispute over this. Take my advice as a fellow brother and wikipedian and try to work with us, not against us. LWG ^talk 19:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Wisdom

"With that said, let's talk this out here like civil wikipedians, rather than sling one-liners at each other in the edit history."

Thank you, LWG. It makes me feel so good to read words like this on a contentious talk page. :) It may seem small, but Wow! what a difference small things can make. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Always glad to help. LWG ^talk 23:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

government/copyright

It actually depends on the government, I know that most (almost all) US government publications are considered to be in the public doman, and there's no issue there as a result. That's not true for other governments, however. Sometimes you can look at the gov't site and see if it claims copyright, but if you have any doubts, it's not a problem to mark it with the copyvio template [1] and have the folks who spend their days dealing with copyrights take a careful look. --joe decker^{talk to me} 15:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Tagged the link. Hopefully somebody who knows more than I do will look at it. LWG ^talk 15:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Herbert W. Armstrong

Hey LWG, it's great to see someone else hitting old NPOV backlog stuff with me (I did the balance of Aug 2007), but on this article the talk page had issues outstanding. - RoyBoy 03:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Islamophobia or Anti-Islamism?

Hi LWG, there is a discussion you may be interested in going on at Talk:Islamophobia#Requested move. MsBatfish (talk) 11:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Disputes on a couple of pages-Please help if you can

Hi, I'm a relatively new user to Wikipedia and I ran across your username while investigating the talk page for Wikipedia project Jehovah's Witnesses. Since your user page states that you specialize in WP:NPOV disputes, and you seem to have little or no affiliation with the editors I am currently having an issue with, I thought it might be a good idea to ask for your help in a matter with a couple of pages that I have been having difficulty editing since I got here. I will advise you, in advance, that I might not have proceeded in the wisest pattern of edit practices, partly because as a new editor I didn't know the rules, and partly out of frustration of having to deal with editors who cannot seem to be objective themselves(they even falsely accused me of being a WP:Sock) when it comes to material related to Jehovah's Witnesses. The problem of greatest concern is a series of web pages related to Wikipedia project Jehovah's Witnesses that are written in a very defamatory manner, filled with half truths, WP:NPOV, WP:OR and tend to misrepresent the source material to a great extent, by it seems, editors who have a WP:COI when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses and also the utilization of source material that is the very definition of WP:fringe. The primary page of dispute at this point is the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs at which I have made more than a few attempts at "adjusting the page" to a less negative and defamatory article(remember what I said earlier about not always in the right manner, but I'm trying to learn the rules and follow them). I most recently made an edit that I think should be left intact, however one of the 3 disruptive editors who have continually fought against any objective change to this negatively written page reverted it, I filed a WP:ani complaint against him for disruptive editing and received a warning for Edit Waring, though I hadn't edited the page for 2 days. I had previously requested that the page be deleted, due to the pact that I felt that it would be a hopeless situation to try to convert the page into creditable material because I felt that I would never receive any real co-operation from the 3 editors in question( Jeffro77, BlackCab and Vyselink, two of which, if not all three, are members of Wikipedia project Jehovah's Witnesses. So if possible, please help. Maybe you could invite several neutral editors to come to the page and help rectify the pages negative structure. The second page is one on Bible Chronology, where I first encountered these editors and their WP:COI WP:NPOV with regards to material related to Jehovah's witnesses after correcting an incomplete and inaccurate chart on bible chronology, I would also like to possibly reach some type of compromise there with an editor who I believe just honestly wishes to have her material presented, she is Lisa, however, I feel that Jeffro77 has made it clear he will continue to revert any edit that I make that contains any material presented that is sourced by material written by Jehovah's Witnesses, even to such an extent that he seems to have become an "online Stalker" by following me from site to site reverting whatever edits I make, regardless of content or accuracy. The page in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Bible any help you provide would be appreciated as I know that this will take a bit of your time to sort out.Thanks.Willietell (talk) 16:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

As an univolved administrator, I find it hard to believe that this user is new to Wikipedia. Beyond that, WP:Canvassing is not appropriate. Toddst1 (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Willietell. I'm afraid I am currently at a location with limited internet access, and thus cannot read up on the context of your complaints, but here are several tips that will help you with these kind of things:

• Most editors are not out to get you. Although it is unfortunately true that pretty much every controversial subject has a few people pushing for their respective sides, it has been my experience so far that the majority of wikipedia editors are willing to listen to reason, if you present your concerns in the right way.
• Most editors do not share your opinions. This is true for every single one of us, as wikipedians represent a vast number of different worldviews, but it is especially important to remember when editing religion articles. Since no one person owns wikipedia, no one person should expect everything on wikipedia to agree with what they believe is true.
• Change on wikipedia is slow. Wikipedia operates on consensus. Any disputed issues must be talked out at length until they are settled. When you engage in a controversial subject you must be prepared to spend weeks or even months discussing the issue, whithout growing impatient or losing your cool. Trying to push things through before everyone is on board does not work.
• No canvassing. While it is generally a good thing to bring additional editors into a dispute, you should not do so in a way designed to favor one side of the dispute. Most experienced editors won't give much credence to a "complaint list" posted on their talk anyway. Had you left off everything starting with "I will advise you" it would have been perfect.
• And lastly Don't go to ANI! They are for stopping vandalism, not settling content disputes. Going there with a POV dispute is the fastest track to a ban on the wiki, short of replacing whole pages with profanity.

When I get back to a stable internet connection I may be able to look at the situation more closely, but until then, remember to keep your cool and be civil. Hopefully you'll be able to contribute constructively in the future. -- LWG ^talk 19:18, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, any help you can provide will be appreciated, because frankly, I really haven't "caught on" just yet and don't really know how to properly go about things yet, contrary to the beliefs and assertions of Toddst1 stated above, I AM new to Wikipedia, and am just learning how to go about things properly, unfortunately, some have not seemed willing to help, but have met my inexperience with hostility and suspicion, as unfortunate as that is, maybe we can get past it and I can become a useful editor.Willietell (talk) 17:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Probably the safest thing, in a situation where you are being accused of edit warring, would be to restrain yourself to the talk page and if there is agreement on the talk page to do something, let someone else make the actual mainspace edit. -- LWG ^talk 14:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, LWG. You have new messages at Rabbitfang's talk page.
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Rabbitfang 16:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)