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:Hi. This is not the first time that this article was created and deleted. Apr, Aug & Nov 2010 and finally Jan 2012 this page was created and deleted by 04 different admins. I recommend you contact one of the admins who deleted this article. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers [[User:Arunsingh16|AKS]] ([[User talk:Arunsingh16#top|talk]]) 06:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:Hi. This is not the first time that this article was created and deleted. Apr, Aug & Nov 2010 and finally Jan 2012 this page was created and deleted by 04 different admins. I recommend you contact one of the admins who deleted this article. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers [[User:Arunsingh16|AKS]] ([[User talk:Arunsingh16#top|talk]]) 06:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

::How can I see who deleted the previous versions in Apr, Aug & Nov 2010? [[User:LevanJugheli|LevanJugheli]] ([[User talk:LevanJugheli|talk]]) 06:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


== The 33 Strategies of War ==
== The 33 Strategies of War ==

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Invite to WikiConference India 2011


Hi Arunsingh16,

The First WikiConference India is being organized in Mumbai and will take place on 18-20 November 2011.
You can see our Official website, the Facebook event and our Scholarship form.

But the activities start now with the 100 day long WikiOutreach.

As you are part of WikiProject India community we invite you to be there for conference and share your experience. Thank you for your contributions.

We look forward to see you at Mumbai on 18-20 November 2011

Your submission at Articles for creation

You recently made a submission to Articles for Creation. Your article has been reviewed and because some issues were found, it could not be accepted in its current form; it is now located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Rahman. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. Feel free to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 18:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some tips to help you out!

Hi Arunsingh16, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Arunsingh16/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!" Pesky (talkstalk!) 13:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How references work

Simple references

These require two parts;

a)
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>
b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";
== References ==

{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Arunsingh16/reftest and try it out.

Named references

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Something to make your life easier!

Hi there Arunsingh16! I've just come across one of your articles, and noticed that you might appreciate some help with references.

You might want to consider using this tool - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. Happy editing! Pesky (talkstalk!) 13:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RFPP

I just wanted to let you know that I declined both of your recent requests for semi-protection at WP:RFPP, on [[[Vijay Mallya]] and Kingfisher Airlines. Neither article had a particularly high level of vandalism. In general, Wikipedia wants most articles to be open to all editors, including those who do not choose to register an account. One or two pieces of vandalism every so often do not justify semi-protection. Vijay Mallya was a somewhat close call, because it is a biography of a living person, so we need to be more vigilant in protecting it (per WP:BLP), but there was still not very much in the last few weeks. If it does get more persistent, feel free to re-raise the issue on WP:RFPP or even as me directly on my talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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December 2011

Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. You have been copying content as is (including formatting errors) from the Government of India websites and that is a copyright violation. You can use the site as a reference, but copying is not allowed. Please stop.SpacemanSpiff 07:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have only taken names (of Member of Parliment) to generate list from the GOI website. I dont think any further amendement (changes) can be done on the names. Please advice as to how can one really write the names differently? AKS (talk) 07:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please see List of members of the 15th Lok Sabha of India and please tell me how was the article I wrote different from this page? Since this page has been in existance for long, I took guidance from there. If this page is acceptable then please help me understand as to why the page I created should be deleted. If there are errors then it should be tagged for clean-up and not speedy deletion without discussing. AKS (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once again, you did not follow that model. You copied and pasted content exactly the same, including misplaced commas, state names etc. Please read WP:C to understand copyright policies. If there are any specific questions you have, I'm ready to discuss, but we both know how the copy-paste was effected, so that's not a point I'm going to discuss any further. —SpacemanSpiff 08:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • No issues, I am willing to spend time in cleaning it up. Given the volume of information, I will take time in cleaning up but since this is vital information, I suggest lets put it up on Wikipedia. I have started work from 01st Lok Sabha and trying to gather information about members and office from 1952. Your cooperation will be appreciated. AKS (talk) 08:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Rahman, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Rahman and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Rahman during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. AKS (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you not randomly add tags to this page? The subject passes the WP:GNG, and your merge suggestion is only tangentially related to the subject.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please note I have removed the A7 Speedy Deletion from this page. A7 only applies to articles where no assertion of notability is made, however this article states that the subject has represented their national team which is deemed notable per WP:NFOOTY. Please be careful when tagging articles. Camw (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello Errol. Copied and thanks for the action taken. I perhaps failed to establish importance; but then you know better. Will take care in future. Cheers AKS (talk) 12:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

January 2012

Hello Arunsingh16. Thanks for patrolling new pages – it's a very important task! I'm just letting you know however, regarding Jeetumoni Kalita, that tagging articles for speedy deletion moments after creation as lacking context (CSD A1), content (CSD A3) and articles created through the Article Wizard, is too fast. It's best to wait at least 10–15 minutes for more content to be added if the page is very short, and the articles should not be marked as patrolled. Attack pages (G10), blatant nonsense (G1), pure vandalism (G3), and copyright violations (G12) should of course be tagged and deleted immediately. Thanks.  Buddha Putra - Rahul (Talk) 12:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dear Rahulmothiya; thanks for educating me on the "important task". I am not sure as to what are you trying to imply by saying that I tagged an article too soon? Jeetumoni Kalita was written on 12 Nov 2011. Where is the question of tagging it too soon? If you are talking about me tagging articles other than this, then it is my suggestion that you don’t worry about it as Administrators, Reviewers and other experienced Wikipedians will be reviewing what I recommend. There is NO wait period before an article can be tagged speedy deletion. it is the responsibility of the writer to "Save Page" once when the article is complete. Cheers AKS (talk) 13:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

School deletions

Hi Arunsingh. Thank you for your concerns about the quality of school articles. Please consider listing schools for AfD when you are more familiar with our policies. All high schools are generally kept. Not being referenced or having a promotional tone are not reasons for deletion, because they can be easily addressed . Please see WP:NPP and WP:BEFORE and WP:OUTCOMES, and if you have any questions, do feel free yo ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. Will keep that in mind for future. CheersAKS (talk) 15:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

B1 YAMUNA VIHAR

U HAVE SENT ME A MESSEGE TO DELETION OF THIS ARTICLE THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT A SCHOOL NOT FOR A COMPONY(Rahul kaushik (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2012 (UTC))[reply]

WP:AIV

Dear Salvio; I reported WP:AIV and much thanks for your attention. I agree that I reacted to the initial comments made by user in discussion. The words used as "comments" in my edits were merely to "get back" at the other user (not an excuse and an apt thing but this is what happened). In any case, I agree that this should not have been done by me (my bad) and on the first instance when I noticed foul language, I should have reported the matter. Also, can you please help me understand if someone gets into an edit war without a valid point then what should be the right approach? Please help. Regards AKS (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, well, in my opinion, the best course of action is always WP:BRD: someone makes a bold edit, someone else reverts it and the two editors start discussing on the article's talk page. Ideally, the two editors should be able to achieve consensus and solve the dispute; when this does not happen, WP:DR should be followed. That page contains many useful tips as to how one can solve content disputes: you can ask for a third opinion, start a request for comments or use one of the many noticeboards, such as WP:DRN, WP:BLPN, WP:NPOVN and so on. If the other editor starts getting disruptive and edit wars, then you can ask that the article in question be protected or the editor be blocked, but this is just the extrema ratio when discussion has failed to resolve the dispute and the other editor is still edit warring; blocks should never be used as clubs to silence your opponent in a content dispute. Finally, WP:BOOMERANG too contains a very good bit of advice: when you report someone, your conduct too will be examined. Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the information. I will review this and use when necessary. On a different note, I just happen to visit the Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback page and noticed that one user with 320 lifetime edits has been granted Rollback rights whereas my request was declined citing low experience (800+ edits). What do I need to do more to get that right? Please assist. Many thanks. AKS (talk) 17:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't reviewed the contributions made by the other editor, but an edit count is a very poor indicator of experience; in particular, I declined your application because I think that you're still inexperienced when it comes to identifying and fighting vandalism. Probably, the other editor is more experienced in that particular area, despite having made fewer edits... Salvio Let's talk about it! 17:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. You guys are the best judge - not me so I guess it is fine. However I am not convinced about the “experience part” and hence a small suggestion (don’t mind) I can make is (perhaps you Admins can discuss this in your forum) that there should be some consistency in granting privileges with minimum thresholds set for each level (however crossing threshold should not guarantee rights). Just a thought.AKS (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. Check User:Jargon777

WP:AIP for User:69.74.121.149

Thanks for your review and block. Cheers AKS (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CSD status for Anywhere (band)

Hello, this is just a quick note about the CSD tagging of the new article I penned, Anywhere (band). Though the CSD was already removed by User:StephenBuxton, I just wanted to throw in my two cents about the high notability of the musicians involved in this new project. Cedric Bixler-Zavala is a multi-platinum recording artist with rock bands Mars Volta and At The Drive In, while Mike Watt is a legendary rock/punk musician whose career spans decades. The only questionable candidate for notability in the combo is, ironically, its primary songwriter Christian Eric Beaulieu, who played in a San Francisco band called Triclops!, all links to which are currently directed towards a disambiguation page while I assess the latter band's notability to see if it merits a page of its own. An initial peek seems to suggest that Triclops! was notable, with a single that was the last release on noted independent label Gold Standard Labs and two full-length albums on the long-running record label Alternative Tentacles, all of which were widely reviewed in major music media and coupled with international touring. As this is a busy week for me, however, that band's page might need to wait for a minute. Meantime, Anywhere (band) seems to meet notability requirements as the combo is about to release its second EP and seems to be building steam for a wider release. There is quite a bit more online media regarding the band's debut, but since its media outreach thus far seems to be built off a single press release most of it is formatted very similarly to the one external link I already established. Notability is also significantly burnished by substantial excitement in the progressive rock community over the existence of this band, though chatter on message boards obviously does not merit inclusion as a reference. DuendeThumb (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deunde; thanks for the update. Reason I tagged this band was a) At the time of tagging it was on single source with not much information provided and b) I googled for the group but could not find any news on them. I think due to their name (Anywhere) my seaarch results were not good. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers AKS (talk) 04:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grepolis

Hello

On 04/01/2012 you tagged the article "Grepolis" for speedy deletion and it was deleted almost immediately. I strongly believe that A7 is not applicable for this case, since the mentioned article is as important (or unimportant) as the Travian, Freeciv.net, Evony or any other game from the List_of_multiplayer_browser_games

Since the article is deleted already, I cannot "contest this speedy deletion". Could you please assist.

LevanJugheli (talk) 05:38, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. This is not the first time that this article was created and deleted. Apr, Aug & Nov 2010 and finally Jan 2012 this page was created and deleted by 04 different admins. I recommend you contact one of the admins who deleted this article. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers AKS (talk) 06:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How can I see who deleted the previous versions in Apr, Aug & Nov 2010? LevanJugheli (talk) 06:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 33 Strategies of War

Welcome to Wikipedia? FYI, I have over 70K edits. Now, why do you believe that it is useful to have so much detail about a not-so-notable book? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help me understand (for my own good), is there a guideline that tells us that details like this cannot be provided? Please help. Cheers AKS (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:WikiProject Books/Non-fiction article states "an exhaustive list of contents, without any editorial commentary or significance, should not be included". Clarityfiend (talk) 06:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This helps a lot. Many thanks. I will revert the changes I made on the artile. Thanks once again. Cheers AKS (talk) 06:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]