Talk:South Korea

Orthographic Projection

Support for Orthographic Projection

• Vast majority of country articles including the featured articles (i.e. Japan FA, Libya FA, China, Australia FA, Sri Lanka, US, Canada FA, and even North Korea) use orthographic projection.

• The image serves its purpose as a locator map. It clearly shows S. Korea's location in the world and the close up map of the country is shown in the separate image.

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error

The first sentence of the fifth paragraph looks to be an error, it states, "South Korea is not awesome at all." (````). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.46.136 (talk) 02:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

It was vandalism, looks like it has since been removed. Thanks for pointing it out. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

"the only lawful government in Korea"

The lead currently states "It is described in a 1948 U.N. resolution as the only lawful government in Korea". Considering both North and South are full U.N. members, fully recognised by all states (apart from each other, and, for the North, Japan), doesn't this somewhat misrepresent the U.N.'s actual position on the peninsula? LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree I think the expression comes from the South Korean constitution, which states that the South is the only lawful government in the Korean peninsular. It was due to the fact that the first general election of Korea held only in the South under the supervision of U.N. representatives. (the general election was supposed to be held both in the North and South, but the North opposed to it at the last minute. And they had their own election few months later.)

So, I agree with you that it is a South Korean POV. PBJT (talk) 19:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

This sentence explains the legal basis and legitimacy of the South Korean government. It is a United Nations POV: "there has been established a lawful government (the Government of the Republic of Korea) having effective control and jurisdiction over that part of Korea where the Temporary Commission was able to observe and consult and in which the great majority of the people of all Korea reside; that this Government is based on elevations which were a called expression of the free will of the electorate of that part of Korea and which were observed by the Temporary Commission; and that this is the only such Government in Korea;" s:United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_195 Kauffner (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I should add that there is no requirement that UN members be sovereign states. Belarus and Ukraine were UN members back in the days when they were Soviet republics. There is a 1975 General Assembly resolution that calls for a peace treaty between "the real parties" in the Korean War. This was intended as an elliptical way to refer to NK and the U.S., and the lawful power to choose peace or war is the ultimate test of sovereignty. But if NK is correctly understood as a puppet regime, the phrase would refer to China and the U.S. Kauffner (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Kauffner! :) I really like to call the South as "the only lawful government in Korea", but I have to disagree with you two things.

First, things have changed since 1951 and I'm not sure the United Nation's stance on the North has remained same. I am aware of the 1951 U.N. resolution, and that it was the rationale to call the South as "한반도의 유일한 합법 정부" or "the only lawful government in Korean peninsular". But after the historic inter-Korean summit in 2000, even South Koreans started to acknowledge the North as an independent state. The two Korea made joint declarations in 2000 and 2007 and agreed to work peacefully toward the unification.

Second, the North has not been a puppet state of China and it is afraid of China's growing influence. Notice that the North's official ideology is Juche or Self-reliance. Even though North Korea relies its survival on China, it has been very successful to make great/super powers to compete for influences on the North: between China and the Soviet union during the cold war, and then between China and the South in 2000s.

So, my point is that whether it is from the South Korean constitution or the 1951 U.N. general assembly resolution, it is a POV and should be removed from the article. PBJT (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The sentence in question does nothing more than paraphrase the 1948 UN resolution. This resolution is the legal basis for the creation of the Republic of Korea, so it is relevant regardless of how things might have developed later. We obviously can't summarize the entire history of the issue in the lede. As far as the current situation goes, the National Security Act still defines NK as an "anti-state" entity. Kauffner (talk) 02:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I realized that I mistakenly wrote 1951 instead of 1948 in my previous comment. (Sorry about that!) As a South Korean citizen, I truly believe that Korean peninsular should be united under the SK's initiatives, and personally I don't have any problems with the expression per se. As long as a independent third party think it isn't a POV, I wouldn't object to it as well. Thank you so much for your valuable input here, Kauffner. I think you're very knowledgeable on the topic, and I enjoyed the discussions with you. :) PBJT (talk) 05:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

While the statement may be technically correct, its positioning in the first paragraph, away from other discussions on statehood, suggests that this is the U.N.'s position on Korea. Perhaps it would be best moved to the third paragraph, which would place the statement in a more informative historical context? LukeSurl ^{t c} 11:55, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree 100% that its placement as the second sentence is extremely odd. Indeed it smacks more of proving a point than anything else (I'm not suggesting it's necesarily being done deliberately by anyone, just that it reads that way). Singling out one statement from a 64 year-old UN resolution and highlighting it as one of the first things we need to know about South Korea doesn't, in my experience, reflect the priorities of most mainstream, objective coverage. It should definitely be there in the history sections, but I'm not sure it needs to be in the lead at all really. N-HH talk/edits 13:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The largest mobile manufacturer in the world

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Samsung has announced that it has become the largest mobile phone manufacurer in the world. In the first quarter of 2012. was delivered to 93 million mobile phone. Earning 4,5 billion dollars. Samsung is also the largest television manufacturer in the world.78.2.55.63 (talk) 13:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thirteenth richest country in the world

It says early on in the article that South Korea comes fifteenth in one list of economic indicators. It was said on David Morrisey's programme "Around the World in 60 minutes" when it was on BBC Four tonight (May 2-3 2012, from 11: 10 p.m. to 12: 10 p.m.) that South Korea is the thirteenth richest country in the world (this economic growth has been due to technology, especially as here we are talking about the home of Samsung). Should this also go in the article? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello ACEOREVIVED, and thanks for your comment. Although I believe BBC is a reliable source, I would like to comment two things. First, 15th largest economy measure in GDP would be better than 15th richest country. Having sizable economy doesn't necessarily mean that its citizens are rich on average. SK has comparable nominal GDP to Australia (minus a couple of hundred billions.) with more than twice of Australia's population. Second, SK ranked 15th largest economy when measured by nominal GDP and 13th largest in terms of Purchasing Power (PPP) output. I assume your BBC programme have used GDP (PPP) statistics. --- PBJT (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

It's possible BBC semantically mixed up 'richness' of the country with its size, against the backdrop of the fact that Korea is an advanced economy. In general, the Korean economy's reputation is that it's a wealthy one. So it's possible BBC meant to say Korea is a rich country which is the world's 13th largest. But the next confusion is Korea isn't even the 13th largest in either nominal GDP (14th largest) or the PPP GDP (12th largest). Maybe BBC sought the middle ground (13th) between those two figures? Anyway I don't think the Korean economy's introduction needs to be changed for the time being. Desagwan (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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¿Middle ages? really

The term middle ages is eurocentric and the usage of it outside of European context is often disregarded by most modern historians. At the top of the article/page it states that South-Korea's name is derived from Goryeo, a dynasty in the middle ages. There are plenty of other terms for Asian history that don't need such Eurocentric historiography. I suggest that it should be removed from the page--82.134.154.25 (talk) 09:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Chai-Shin Yu's The New History of Korean Civilization (2012) has a chapter which covers Koryo entitled, "The Middle Ages of Korea". Kauffner (talk) 12:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Five million Samsung Galaxy III a month!

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: Five million Smartphones Samsung Galaxy III began to produce South Korea's Samsung, the largest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. Samsung for its Galaxy III, the Corea Economic Daily, has received nine million reservations. Unprecedented record!93.137.33.90 (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Do not equate a private company with the country. If you want to update contents for Samsung Electronics, and leave your comment on the company's talk page. Wikipedia isn't a forum, and the talk page should be used to discuss on how to improve the article. Anyway, many thanks for your comments, --- PBJT (talk) 01:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

new capital

sejong have become the new capital according to nrk news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 11:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

about Dokdo / Takeshima　Comfort woman

Please see the video was created using historical primary source material. Please assess the facts and well.

Dokudo/Takeshima

South Korea says "Dokdo" Takeshima is not,that of the small island to the west of Ulleungdo called "Jukdo". This month, South Korean President has landed. South Korea is now and has been sent to the army Takeshima. However, Takeshima is Japanese territory historically also international. Some of them are multiplied by the pressure to come to know it yet. Will be arrested Koreans are brainwashed Takeshima and Dokdo from infancy, and point out a mistake in Korea. Takeshima is Japanese Territory. Does there exist any old Korean map which depicted Dokdo?

Comfort woman

"Korean women were forced to the war front to serve the Imperial Japanese Army as sexual slaves, called comfort women."

This is not true. Was investigated over the years by the Japanese government, the evidence that the women forced draft has not been discovered. Asahi Shimbun reported that when a lie, I have field survey at a university in Japan and South Korea, was not found even one person. Testimony of women themselves as "former comfort women" also is the first "I am. Was sold to (Okiya say in Japan) Kenban Kisen some of Pyongyang at the age of 14 by the mother" was, forced draft to the Japanese soldiers for some reason and changed. The three rolling forward the testimony of two forced draft that can not be trusted at all. Endangered Japan (Book 2): Sex, Lies, and Comfort Women --Anonymous sensible (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)