Talk:Thalía

When WAS she born?

Currently I see her as being born in 1971 and in 1976. One of these answers is definitely incorrect, and the other may be correct.

• 1971 ~ June 30 2006 16:38

1971 is listed in several articles. It also makes sense as she was a young teen in Juguemos a Cantar versus being a child actor. Ronbo76 14:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Should it say Mexican American in the intro since she's now a citizen? 67.10.149.92 07:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thalía has sold near 22 million album worldwide:

- Thalía, 1990: 600.000
- Mundo de cristal, 1991: 700.000
- Love, 1992: 1.000.000
- En éxtasis, 1995: 1.500.000
- Amor a la mexicana, 1997: 4.000.000
- Nandito ako, 1997: 1.000.000
- Arrasando, 2000: 2.500.000
- Con banda grandes éxitos, 2001: 900.000
- Thalía, 2002: 3.500.000
- Hits remixed, 2003: 850.000
- Thalía (en inglés), 2003: 3.000.000
- Greatest hits, 2004: 1.000.000
- El sexto sentido, 2005: 3.400.000

No sources

• In the summer of 2005, Thalía's multi-million dollar contract with Televisa was cancelled, due to her not wanting to star in a soap opera or a show with the company. After several notices the head of Televisa Emilio Azcárraga Jean, decided to cancel her contract after several attempts to make her go back into telenovelas. The contract was made for three telenovelas and only one was made, Rosalinda (1999). Thalía was paid $75,000 U.S dollars a month for the contract.

I removed the above as there are no sources cited for any of this, and some of it sounds like speculation

• So it didn't happen at all (her contract cancelled)? Because other than the "speculation" I don't see why that bit of info couldn't be included. 67.10.149.92 23:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Thalía of Greek descent?

Someone editted Thalía with the category of Greek Mexican. Can anyone confirm she is of Greek descent with a citation? Otherwise the category should be deleted. Ronbo76 23:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

She has nothing to do with the Greek, just her name is of Greek origin, because her mother liked learning Greek Mithology very much. Thalía is of Mexican-French-Italian descent and she was born in Mexico City, August 26, 1971. (Zoltan, MDC webmaster)

No, you can see her sister, Laura Zapata is in that category too

- Thalía is not of Greek descent, but she is named after a figure in ancient Greek mythology. Saying she is greek is like saying everyone named Abraham or John is Jewish because those names are of Jewish origin, or everyone named Muhammed is an Arab because Muhammed is of Arabian origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.9 (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I had read in a few articles (one by Shanik Berman in Teleguia years ago) and the other in a list of famous Jewish people that she was at least half Jewish from her father's side. Has anyone come across or remember any article that mentions this? I know the last name 'Sodi' is a common Jewish name and it may be a different case than you describe in your example but I want to make sure I post the correct information before editing the article.Aa1232011 (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Confusion arises because of her name and step-Dad

The name plays into it but also her step-Dad is Greek (if I remember correctly). Some people even in Mexico think she is Greek for that reason but nothing I have seen or read indicates she has Greek blood or was adopted. Ronbo76 06:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Article available in Greek language

Please add it: "el:Ταλία". (Zoltan, MDC webmaster)

Sources

I suggest you taking news only from her official website www.thalia.com and her official fan club website www.mdcthalia.com. These sources are always OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED. The information on all the other sources may NOT be true. (Zoltan, MDC webmaster)

Protected?

What's going on?

Edits without citations to record sales and other facts. . .

Will not be permitted. All items added must be in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability. Ronbo76 08:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Images

Hi there. I’ve had a look at the details of the images used in the article and I don’t think they’re quite appropriate per WP:FU. In particular, the album covers really need to go, since the albums are not discussed in detail here. The covers should only be in the articles for the corresponding albums. I’ve removed the covers from the list, but I’ve left the other images for the moment, in case somebody has replacements or is willing to expand the article so that some of the images become usable. Please note that Image:T&tmarried.jpg and Image:Thaliasodicollection1.jpg lack source information. They will be deleted if it is not provided. If you know where these images are from, please add the information to the description pages! —xyzzy_n 18:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Her supposed "Guiness Record" is highly questionable...

"In 1996 "Guiness World Records" decided to put Thalia as 'the most recognized artist in one day' She won awards from all over the world in only one day of receiving Key of Indonesia,Key of Philipines and the key of Miami,won 6 awards from the "Eres Awards" for 'Best Song' 'Best Dance Song' ,'Best Female Singer'....etc. and Won Several awards too in "Heraldo Music Awards" and many other in the same day."

• I'm afraid this information is FALSE. Although many news articles reported this at that time, BUT THERE HAS BEEN NEVER FOUND A GUINESS SOURCE that would have confirmed it. Maybe there was a confusion with another recognition.

Zoltan, MDC webmaster 88.209.201.157 20:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thalia has never received any of those awards at the Premios Eres. I should know as I have them all recorded.

64.175.66.19 04:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I just saw an interview with Thalía where she mentioned this supposed Guinness award, but she couldn't remember either what it really was. So I'm still saying it has never been true. I would like to see the PROOF from the Guinness World Records book from 1996 or 1997. --Zoltan 19:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the entire paragraph as I'm convinced it's BS. 71.231.107.188 04:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Tonight's wholesale edit

The user who did the edit tonight claims that info was moved to another part of the article. Most of it was actually deleted which is indicated by the history of edit diffs. Recommend another editor review. Ronbo76 04:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The only deletes done were non-neutral point of view comments and most of the comments were moved and rewritten properly. Your too lazy to read the article. Keep you day job (if you have one).

Her correct name is ARIADNA, not *Adriana.

ARIADNA THALÍA SODI MIRANDA... Ariadna is from Latin "ARIADNA" and this form from Greek ARIADNE, a historic name from a Greek god, daughter of King Minos in Greek Mythology. She is NOT named Adriana. Just listen to the audio that I added, SHE is saying her name herself. You will hear it. I think the difference is very evident when pronouncing ARIADNA and Adriana. Regards --Zoltan 07:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Rib Removal

Down here in south america, it's a very commonly held (mis)conception that Thalia has had several ribs removed to enhance her waistline and latin curves. Personally, it sounds a bit far fetched, but perhaps still worth a mention since so many people believe it to be true. plenty of hits for 'Thalia ribs' in google. 200.25.194.96 05:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

And more from down here in Ecuador... Just saw a report on a local entertainment program that said Thalia will be posing nude. Not really interested in finding a source (far more interested in the pictures, personally), but i'm sure its out there. 200.41.2.144 (talk) 01:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Found a source: Thalía podría posar desnuda para PETA 200.41.2.144 (talk) 12:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous vandalism

Anonymous user always removes the section about her fan clubs. Please be aware of anonymous vandalism. Thanks. --TheMexican ^(talk) 14:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Sales

I have noticed that all the sales of all the albums by thalia add altogether: 29.150.000, is that truth? In the beginning of the article it says that thalía sold little more than 12.000.000 of albums. It would have to add references to the total of sold albums. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.45.111.67 (talk) 03:56:43, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship

Since Thalia is now a US citizen can we please change her to being referred to as a Mexican-American singer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.246.153.217 (talk) 07:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

is it appropriate to have a discography including commentaries of the album? I thought discographies are merely a list of albums and release years... Boshiaki (talk) 23:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Arab?

Is she really part Arab? there seems to be no source claiming so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArabMexican (talk • contribs) 21:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

This is vandalism. She is not Arab at all. I have a small magazine-biography about Thalia. She is actually of distant French ancestry. Opinoso (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

More exactly, Mexican-French-Italian. Her father, Ernesto Sodi Pallares is from Italian descendents (Sodi is an Italian surname). --Mex^talk 17:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I have heard way too many different versions of her ancestry to know for sure but I know I read somewhere that 'Sodi' is Italian but also Jewish.Aa1232011 (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Stupid and false information removed

Of course she is not of Arabic descendents, I removed false information. Neither she is a Latin Grammy awarded singer, she was only nominated many times. It's true that her album "Arrasando" won a Latin Grammy award, but it was not her award, but the recording engineers' who mixed the album. Please let me know if sombody puts suspicious information or spam. Thank you. --Mex^talk 09:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Numbers of sales

Please DO NOT put false or unverifiable information about her sales. DID you have any OFFICIAL source confirming that she has sold 23 million records??? Also note that the only official sources are Thalia.com and EMITelevisa.com, all the other are gossip, inventions and lies. --Mex^talk 08:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

You have given a figure of 20 million records sold worldwide and cited EmiTelevisa as the source but EmiTelevisa states that her record sales are approaching 20 million and therefore is not a source for a concrete number of record sales. Tne second source for record sales consists of awards given to her by her record label for 12 million unit sales worldwide.Does this mean that ESS and ESSR sold close to 8 million? I think this information is worth looking over. (pixiedustrawr) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixiedustrawr (talk • contribs) 16:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

new album?

Why isn't there a refence about her releasing a new album this summer? GFN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.130.174.30 (talk) 22:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

ONCE AGAIN

THALÍA DOES NOT HAVE OFFICIAL FACEBOOK AND MYSPACE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND??? They are pages created by fans who want make all to believe it. The only official websites of Thalía are www.thalia.com, www.thaliaradio.com, thalia.emilaforums.com and www.mdcthalia.com... NO OTHER OFFICIAL SITES!!! They are lies! Administrators, please be aware of spammers. This was one of the best pages about Thalía, but was destroyed by liars... Thank you. --Mex^talk 06:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring over OR and BLP violation

This should not be added back without good sources:

Despite her long career and achievements, Thalía was never considered a real artist by most people, not even in her native country, Mexico. This is mainly because of her telenovella roles, which are considered silly and unremarkable by many people and in many countries. Other possible reasons are that, unlike most popular world stars, Thalía has never inverted too much in the promotion of her albums, she almost never gives live concerts and performances, and in addition, she usually uses playback in her presentations.

Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Family Scare

How come no information related to the kidnapping of her 2 sisters nnot included in the article? Thalia was the person who allegedly paid the ramson. Her ordeal should be notedCombatant (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Name

Is it Ariadna Thalía or Thalía Ariadna? The article contradicts itself. Rojomoke (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It's Ariadna Thalía. Ariadna is officially her first name, but from early ages she uses the second name, Thalía. --El Mexicano (talk) 09:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

About leaving EMI and joining Casablanca Records

Neither Thalía nor any of her official sources has never confirmed this, not even her record label manager knows about it. I suggest removing it from this article. --El Mexicano (talk) 19:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

135 million in recordsales wordwide

In the discography section of this article, it says that Thalia has sold 135 million albums worldwide... Seriously ? Sounds far fetched to me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thal%C3%ADa_discography Mortyman (talk) 22:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

And far fetched it was. The real figure is apparently 12 million according to the sources cited in that article and so was changed to 12 million. AngelOfSadness talk 22:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I telephoned the IFPI Company which is the official musical industry in Greece to ask them how much Thalia has sold.However they could inform me only what she has sold in Greece.AMOR A LA MEXICANA has sold almost 60,000 and Arrasando 70,000.Lunada 10,000,Thalia 2002 45,000 ,Thalia 2003 50,000,Thalia;s hits remixed 7,000 and THE SIXTH SENSE 16,000.However in these album pages the munbers are not the same.Also I have noticed most of information is lies.For example Lunada did not sell only 4,000 in Mexico as it was displayed.I think that the sales should be mopre official.I am almost sute that Thalia has sold over 30 million copies worldwide.If you write sth,then you must explain it.I mean that every time in this page the sales are different.You should be informed by an official site or sth like this.Also,Paulina Rubio's fans are constantly spamming this bio.They had also written 2 million copies for AALM.This is totaly wrong.My unlcle was working for EMI and he told me that the album sold almost 7,5 million copies and it is the most successful Thalia had ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.126.212 (talk) 07:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Talia is NOT SPANISH

I changed Thalia's origin: she's not Spanish (=Spain, Europe) but Mexican. She's also not in any case Spanish-American, but Mexican-American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.34.163.118 (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction tag

The contradiction tag was placed in this article: 01:50, 7 April 2009 COMPFUNK2 m (36,508 bytes) (What's her full name?).

It was a simple change that could have easily been resolved rather than placing the contradiction tag. Don't forget to Be Bold when coming across simple edits. I changed her name in the Biography section to reflect what is in the rest of the article and removed the contradiction tag. Thank you for all your hard work on this article. Kjnelan (talk) 07:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Born 1971 or 1972?

Someone just changed the year of birth back to 1971. TIME Magazine says "Thalía was born Thalía Ariadna Sodi Miranda on August 26, 1972". [1] This may need to be handled at the BLP Noticeboard, but I wanted to discuss it here first in case we can come to a resolution on this. Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, Livejournal, et cetera are NOT acceptable sources for WP:BLP articles. TIME Magazine, on the other hand, should be.

Did TIME Magazine make a mistake here? If so, are there any other third party publications which corroborate the 1971 claim? JBsupreme (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

It is also worth pointing out that on this very talk page, just a couple sections above, another editor excitedly claims that the MySpace and Facebook pages are illegitimate to begin with. In which case we should default to TIME Magazine, obviously, but I cannot speak to the validity of such a claim. The pages are being linked from thalia.com so I would want to assume they are legitimate. JBsupreme (talk) 23:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Lessee... time to hit Google News:

• USA Today dated 10/9/2007: "Thalia, 36..." That would imply she was born in '71.
• United Press International dated 10/8/2007: "Thalia, who is 35" ('72 birth)
• People: dated the 8th as well: "Thalía, 35" ('72 birth)
• Detroit Free Press (via Access My library) dated 12/11/02: "The 31-year-old actress and singer" ('71 birth)
• Promo magazine dated 4/13/2004: "The 32-year-old was born in Mexico..." ('71 birth)
• Contra Costa Times dated 8/25/2009: "BIRTHDAYS:... Latin pop singer Thalia (38)" ('71 birth)
• San Antonio Express News (via The Ledger) dated 8/1/05: "Thalia, 35" ... Hey she's born in 1969 then! (This appeared before her birthday that year folks)
• Reforma (via Access My Library and a pass through Google Language Tools) dated 8/27/2000 (the earliest story I can find for Thalia): "Ariadna Sodi Miranda-his real name, now meets 29 years of life". This works out to '71 (I assume they were looking ahead to her birthday in two days)

It would appear then that '71 is the most popular year for her birthday. And by the way folks, some of those articles I posted are likely good sources to flesh the article out with... Tabercil (talk) 01:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh ffs... wow... this is horrible. Surely there must be a precedent for such a situation when the DOB/YOB is disputed. Should it just be left out all together, or multiple dates cited? I can't believe this. JBsupreme (talk) 07:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Well doing a quick search elsewhere on Wikipedia comes back with a few articles on recent people: Chick Webb, Janice Dickinson and Orlando Hernández, all of which have sections detailing year of birth controversies. I'd say put the '71 in the infobox as the most likely date of birth, and create a subsection down in the article laying out the dispute on her birth date between 71 and 72. Tabercil (talk) 12:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Magazines are not reliable sources, moreover if they are in English. You should believe what Mexican magazines and her official Facebook and MySpace say, since they are handled by Thalía's management and Thalía herself. There is no doubt that she was born in 1971, see also IMDb and Allmusic. You can also add a ref tag saying that according to some sources, she was born in 1972, but more probable is that she was born in 1971. --El Mexicano (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well IMDB is out as a source as it's felt not to be reliable except for specific information - specifically film appearances; the biographical info is most certainly not considered reliable. As for Allmusic, I suspect that might be in the same category... not too sure offhand. If the Facebook and MySpace pages can be backed up as being official, then I can see them being used as a source... but you'll need to prove the "officiality" first. In the end I too feel that the Spanish-language media is probably the most accurate source. When (if?) I get around to doing a proper section regarding her birth year controversy, I'll probably be using the Reforma article as the primary source for the 1971 year, as it's the oldest one locatable. Tabercil (talk) 01:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

If you enter Thalia.com, you will first see an intro page with the links to her verified Twitter account, MySpace and Facebook pages. I think there is no better proof for the officiality of these sites. However, if you need an even better source, here is the official announcement of Thalia.com regarding the officiality of these sites. --El Mexicano (talk) 10:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thalia's English information and Spanish information does NOT match....Spanish NEEDS to be revise and updated, it has to many false information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.229.87 (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Full name

Is there a source for her full name? Many sites do not include María in her name. Missionary (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Acting

I have started and will be adding information on her acting projects since there currently is none and it was a big part of her success internationally. Please help by adding more information and citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aa1232011 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. The acute accent is sufficient disambiguation. -- Hadal (talk) 14:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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Thalía (entertainer) → Thalía –

• A user moved this earlier this year for no explained reason. I left the user a note, but have not been responded to in the past week, so I am listing the article here. It should be moved per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Izno (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• Thalía is a redirect to Thalía (entertainer), but Thalia is a long disambig page. Is the acute accent on 'Thalía' enough distinction from Thalia? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

  I would say it is, as none of the articles aside from this one have an accent. Just my opinion, however. --Izno (talk) 06:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Yes, the accent differentiates it from all other articles. The move this year was unauthorized and created needless work. Softlavender (talk) 00:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Anthony Appleyard. However, on principle, if there is no consensus in this discussion, I support the return of the article to Thalía since the initial move was undiscussed. —  AjaxSmack  01:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
• Support - Capitalization and (I think) accents are considered sufficient disambiguation according to policy. Marcus Qwertyus 02:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Biased?

Th article seems to have good information. One thing I find inappropriate for a Wikipedia article are the constant references to her "beauty" and other statements that are opinion and not fact. Although many might find her beautiful, it is inappropriate for such statements to appear in a Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.231.24 (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Telenovelas

I doubt that her telenovas have been watched by 2 billion people but in her autobiography in the picture section (no page numbers are included for the picture section) it says "The novelas were highly rated and seen in more than 180 countries by more than two billion people."

In the book cover at the back it also says she has won 2000 awards from her work as an actress and a singer and has sold 40 million discs worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.80.163 (talk)

Thalia's album sales

Please DO NOT change the article regarding to the artist's sales. It is clearly stated in her recent book "Growing Stronger" that she has sold "over 40 million albums". Isn't her personal memoir an official source??? This thing about changing the artists's sales all the time is stupid. I think this article should be locked. As long as there is a source for something, it shouldn't be changed at all. What are Wikipedia's moderators doing after all? Sleeping? Can't they see that the artocle is hacked daily? Please make all the necessary changes and lock it. It is just unpermitable the way this article is violated. Just do something about it, it is an article about a living person.

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Thalia's Growing Stronger book, her so-called memoir, appears to reference 25 million albums sold worldwide.

http://www.nuestrathalia.com/2011/11/01/thalias-interview-on-good-day-new-york/ http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45148867/ns/today-books/t/growing-stronger-thalia-shares-her-story/

The host of NBS's Today show referenced Thalia has having sold 25 million albums in a televised interview that took place on November 4, 2011. Where did this 40 million albums sales figure come from?76.228.74.139 (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Enough with non-English speakers editing English Wikipedia!

This article is being violated seriously. Please, if you aren't fluent in english, don't edit this page. We know that Thalia is a huge latin star and as a result she has millions of spanish-speaking fans, but of them try to translate the spanish Wikipedia page about Thalia in english, without using correctly the english language. Edit an article ONLY if you are a native English speaker or fluent in this language. I think that the page about Thalia should be locked for somewhile and be edited by serious Wikipedia editors. It is not a fan page after all, it is a Wikipedia article and the vocabulary used should be more formal, as Wikipedia is considered as the most popular database for artists etc. She has a long career and you should stop making her biography look ridiculous. It was like a circus, seriously! Tones of unimportant information, and thousands of syntax and grammar mistakes. Please, stop doing this. And Wikipedia moderators should be careful when an article is being changed so that they correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.32.206.104 (talk) 05:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Article corrected

I tried to correct this article. Please revise it and then lock it so that it soesn't get violated again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.32.206.104 (talk) 06:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Awful!

Who the heck changed Thalia's article? It is full of syntax and grammar mistakes. Please, do not violate this article. Go and have fun in another site, this is Wikipedia, not a fan site. Are you fuckin' kidding me? HIS best-selling album? Since when Thalia is a man? 10 million copies Amor a la mexicana? And a bunch of unimportant information like surveys and celeb rumors. You think Wikipedia is a blog? Please do something, enough with spanish-speaking people translating the articles using the google translator. Leave this job for someone who speaks english.

Please don't remove massive sections of the article without getting a consensus to do so. Also, please understand how to place references in an article (see WP:REF for guidance). The Rambling Man (talk) 14:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Not to remove massive sections of the article? "After 13 successful years with EMI Music, "the Mexican singer says goodbye to the music label and plans on recording her next album in English." With the recent release of her album Lunada, the 36-year-old singer ended her contract with EMI Music, who recognized that the album was not successful as it was not well promoted since it coincided with the months after her pregnancy when she contracted Lyme disease." Is this official and formal speach? For God's sake...this article seems to be badly-written from hispnic fans of the artist. Nothing to do with an encyclopedic article. It is obvious that it should change...Wikipedia loses its reputation with awfully written articles like this. There should be only serious information on the artist's career and only important facts of about her trajectory and biography as a musician and actress. This article is more like a gossip page written by hispanic people trying to speak english, rathen than an official source of information about the artist. It is full of information that is not important enough to be included in a wikipedia article, apart from the millions of syntax, grammar and vocabulary errors. As for the references, most of these references contradict from the article. Lots of false and unimportant information, and full of gossip stuff. It is full of uncertain and false infos. I was just trying to improve it. And I am the one to false? You seriously need to get down on earth and see some things clearly. Thsi article is about a living person and about one of the most important musicians in contemporary music, which means that thousands of people visit this link daily to learn about Thalia's career and biography. It is bad for Wikipedia's reputation to have such a badly written article...come on, when i saw the changes, I laughed for two hours! HIS album? HIS success? We are talking about a female. They have even edited about low-importance polls like a Univision poll in the first paragraph of the article!!! Is website poll something so important for a career that has spanned over 3 decades? It is ridiculous. Please at least show some respect towards her and edit correctly this article. Enough with haters and antifans trying to violate articles about the singers they dislike. It is Wikipedia, not a forum.

At least I tried to change the opening of the article. I'm kindly asking you to show the minimum respect and don't change it or tranform it into a circus! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.32.206.104 (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but please try to remain coherent. We need to discuss what the best approach is. Right now, you're not doing the best for the article. As I've already requested, such a huge change to the article should be discussed here. Please do not edit war. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Please improve this article

So many mistakes in the first overall paragraph. Do something about it. Why did Wikipedia moderators let someone destroy this article?? Are you kidding me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.32.204.252 (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Changes in the first overall paragraph

I rephrased the non-sense sentences, corrected the grammar and syntax errors, removed non-encyclopedic information. There were thousands of sources, which is not necessary. I kept the most important ones, and removed the low-importance links. Now, it is an article about the artist, it includes all the most necessary information and it reminds of an encyclopedic article, not a gossip blog like before. I hope it remains as it is, and it won't be destroyed again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.143.237 (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Sodi Family Origin

In the book From Liberal to Revolutionary Oaxaca page 250 it mentions that the Sodis are descendants of Carlos Sodi who was an Italian engineer. We could add that as part of her ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.81.175 (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but there is already an article about the Sodi family, which is generally a very popular family in Mexico. However, this information is of low importance in this specific article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Is Amor a la mexicana Thalia's best selling album?

Amor a la mexicana was a huge release in 1997, it spawned three international hits, that stayed for many weeks or even months in the lists of popularity. However, the source provided for this album's total sales is considerable and doubtful. Amor a la mexicana's certifications provided in the page article are so poor that it doesn't total 8 million copies (!). It must be about 5 million copies considering the years that have passed since then and the certifications of the album of course. Wikipedia users must be objective. There is only ONE site that mentions 8 million so definitely it is a false information. I think as long as it is doubtful, it is unnecessary to be added in the article. It is information that could be included in the album's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Sí, es confiable; Amor a la mexicana ha vendido más de 8 millones de copias en el mundo. Los artículos de Wikipedia no gozan de completitud (en este contexto, Amor a la mexicana no presenta todas las certificaciones que ha ganado en el mundo). Álbumes como Dónde Están los Ladrones? o Pies Descalzos ¿alcanzan el mínimo de ventas certificadas?, no verdad y eso, que las ventas estimadas están exageradamente infladas. Yo conozco bien la Wikipedia y sé que hay que ser prolijos e imparciales; además, las ventas certificadas en muchos países durante el lanzamiento de Amor a la mexicana, eran bastantes elevadas. así que mientras tanto, restablezco la edición desecha que hizo el usuario Sailormoon94. Saludos cordiales, Chrishonduras (talk) 17:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I would like also to point out something. This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia. Am I (or any other user) supposed to understand Spanish? And what's more, NO, it is not a trustful source because the information is not crossed anywhere else. It is just one site, there is no other source data that corroborates the fact that the album has sold 8 million copies. It is my opinion that it shouldn't be mentioned at all, as there aren't sufficient sources to confirm this level of sales, that sounds exaggerated especially for a spanish album (no matter that it had international projection, it is still a spanish album and spanish albums are always less commercial than english albums and IT IS a fact). This information will be elaborated at least until any other data provided by an official source appears (like IFPI, RIAA, AMPROFON, UAC, RIAJ or EMI Music). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Sailormoon, perdón por hablar español (¿acaso los griegos no hablan español?). ¿Acaso los de la Wikipedia en inglés no van hablar inglés en todas las Wikipedias?. Yo entiendo todo lo que usted dice, así que me da la gana de hablar un idioma latín, que es español (y sé que también que usted sabe español ¿O me equívoco?). En fin, EMI ha dicho que son más de cinco millones de copias por parte de Amor a la mexicana (que es lo que lleva certificado, de hecho) y los ocho millones de copias que estima el poderoso portal Terra es confiable, por lo menos se acerca al mínimo de ventas certificados. Yo aún veo necesario que esté en la introducción de este artículo, de lo contrario, no veo necesario que en artículos de artistas latinos como Shakira o Paulina Rubio tengan información sobre las ventas de algunos álbumes (cuando ni siquera, las ventas certificadas se acercan al porcentaje) y también, ¿sería necesario hablar cosas inutiles en el artículo de Shakira como las visitas de sus videos al canal de YouTube? (y en la introducción); cierto, que este artículo es otro, pero la información sobre su álbum más vendido es relevante, y, como le repito, los artículos de WIKIPEIDA EN INGLÉS no gozan de completitud, es por esta razón que usted ha de decir que las ventas certificadas de Amor a la mexicana no alcanzan un porcentaje mínimo con los ocho millones. Use el sentido común. Saludos, Chrishonduras (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I DO speak Spanish but it is not a private conversation between you and me here. It is a topic that aims to be taken into consideration by other users that edit Wikipedia articles. As long as you want to edit the english Wikipedia, learn English, or else go and edit articles in spanish Wikipedia. It is simple. (No, in Greece people speak Greek. Someone speaks spanish not because it's our native language but because anyone can learn privately whichever foreign language they want).

As for Terra, no, it is definitely not a trustful source. Furthermore, you mentioned other articles about other singers. Please get down to earth, it is not a forum of public speech. It is Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia. Do you know what that word means? This is Thalía's article, there is point in comparing it with other articles. Every article is different and every singer is different. The language used and the information provided to edit articles in Wikipedia shouldn't be fan-oriented. You should know there is a word named OBJECTIVITY. If you think that there are mistakes in the articles for Shakira or any other singer, then you can go to these articles and insert this topic or edit these articles. What makes these articles to be role models so that all the articles should be the same? Are you serious? And the information about her best selling album IS NOT relevant because the information provided is not crossed. Find at least 2 sites that mention 8 million copies and add them as a reference. I searched in the Internet and I didn't find anything related. As long as the information is doubtful, it should be elaborated (especially here, that it is the general introduction to an artist's article, where there should be cited only important and official information).

Entiendo completamente lo que es la palabra objetividad. Desde luego, Terra Networks es un portal de internet bastante serio, en múltiples idiomas, y dedicado a varias cosas, para nuestro contexto: música (hasta premios musicales entregan y hasta han hecho entrevista a Thalía). En ningún momento quise ser una edición de "fan" como usted dice, simplemente porque si bien algunos medios se refieren a Thalía como la "reina del pop latino", me pareció imperativo colocar que su disco más vendido es Amor a la mexicana (ocho millones de unidades), pero también ha tenido grandes declives comerciales (Lunada, únicamente 300 mil copias, según Univision). Yo entiendo el inglés, aunque se me complica escribirlo, así que mi edición en mi opinión, pareció correcta desde luego, con las políticas de Wikipedia. Pero a mi no me gusta discutir. Finalmente, si encuentro otra fuente que hable de las ocho millones de copias de Amor a la mexicana, lo colocaré. Saludos, Chrishonduras (talk) 19:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Central photo

The 2006 photo is old. There must be a recent photo in every artist article, people's appearance changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.88.0 (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thalia Worldwide Album Sales

In Mexico, diamond status equals sales of 300,000 albums, not half a million, which you can verify on amprofon.com.mx

Emi Music stated in 2006 that Thalia sold over 10,000,000 albums in her ENTIRE career. She resigned with Sony in 2009 and released Primera Fila, and currently just released a new album. Her first album came out in 1990, which means she sold about 10 million albums in 16 years. How can she possibly sell an additional 30 million albums in the last 3-4 years? You mean to tell me Primera Fila sold 30 million copies worldwide? Something doesn't add up. Sony has already stated that Primera Fila sold 500,000 copies in Latin America, which is where most copies were sold. I doubt it has even reached a million copies worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 07:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

AMPROFON has certified the album as diamond plus 3x platinum...not just diamond. As for her sales, it was even stated in New York Times that she has sold 40 million albums. There are millions of references that verify her total sales. So, what you say is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's be informed. The diamond recognition wipes out the 3 platinum certifications: it does not add to them. That is how certification works. Educate yourself. For example, if an artist in America sells 15 million albums, then the RIAA will give them a diamond certification, but will also adjust sales to 15x platinum. That doesn't mean you should be dumb enough to think that the artist has sold 25 million albums by adding together the diamond certification and the 15x platinum.

There is no reference to the New York Times. Even if one exists, that does not verify album sales. Albums sales can only be properly verified by entities like the RIAA, Amprofon, Nielsen, or a record label (maybe, since they can inflate their artists sales figures). If someone writes on an unreliable source, like Wikipedia, that an artist sold 100 million albums, an editor at the New York times, or some other publication, may take it upon their selves to consider that a legitimate reference and use it. When that happens, magically, this false info somehow becomes fact and is spread around. I'm certain these phony sales figures, posted by some random person on Wikipedia, have been sourced by presumably reliable publications. According to the RIAA, Thalia has only sold 1.2 million albums in her entire career in the US market. Under the Gold and Platinum header on the RIAA website, look up "Thalia" and you can verify this. Shakira on the other hand, has sold over 15 million albums in the US market, which you can also verify on the RIAA's website. She is the queen of pop, not Thalia. I'm a fan of Thalia, so I'm only being honest. I'm not biased. I only seek the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 03:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the RIAA, platinum and gold are different for Spanish language albums. Gold = 50,000 copies. Platinum = 100,000 copies. For "standard" albums: gold = 500,000 copies, while platinum = 1 million copies. Pay attention to whether an album is categorized as "standard" or "latin". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 04:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

YOU educate yourself. There was a reference regarding to the sales. As for mexicancertifications, Primera Fila had become diamond and some months later as it was still number 1 it became plus gold and then plus platinum and then plus 2x platinum and now it is diamond plus 3x platinum. Its last certification was NOT diamond. Check out the amprofon site for that. Do not change the sales, they are verified everywhere. 12 million copies is a number that comes from nowhere, from your mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe certifications in Mexico are different, but either way, her worldwide sales should be listed as over 10 million albums sold as clearly stated in the article from People magazine. You can't ignore an official award for career sales of 10 million copies in 2006 from EMI music. She didn't release a new album until 2009, Primera Fila. Where did those extra 30 million albums come from? The moon? Can you explain yourself? http://www.peopleenespanol.com/article/thalia-recibe-disco-de-diamante — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe it's better for the article to NOT list worldwide sales since it's unclear how much Thalia has really sold? Just a suggestion.

In her book, which was released in 2011, it clearly states 40 million. No changes are made. This number is the one given by her record company Sony Music and this is the only official number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

There is no link referencing her book. Either way, that does not prove anything. A lot of people know she lies about how successful she is. A few years ago, Premio Lo Nuestro gave her an award for selling 25 million albums supposedly, now it's 40 million? First 10 million in 2006 (after 16 years as a solo artist), then 25 million a couple of years later with NO new albums, now 40 million. LOL This is all a joke. Thalia and Sony want to hide her failure after so much media support and novellas by making up false sales figures that aren't backed-up by official sales organizations like Amprofon, Nielsen, or the RIAA, ect... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 09:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

= Well, then go and make complaints to Sony Music, Chronicle Books and all all the media that claim this sales number. But what YOU or I think is true has nothing to do with what is official. Please stop vandalising the article seriously, I will report you.

You do not provide any data from Sony Music, so stop vandalizing the page with sales figures that don't come from credible sources like the RIAA, Amprofon, Nielsen, or IFPI members who give official and verified sales figures. If you don't agree, I think it's best to remove worldwide sales figures from the page like has been done with other pages from music artists. Also, you should stop adding phony statements about how many people have seen Thalia's soap opera's or references of her being a star that no one will forget from the UK's Sun publication. You keep adding non-existent articles and info that isn't properly referenced. So stop vandalizing this page or you will be reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 03:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

There are so many references, her official site, the latest press release by Sony Music, sites like BBC Music, NetWorth, other news sites etc. I've included some references. It is a number that is widely claimed. 12 million comes from nowhere. It doesn't make any sense. It seems like you've added supposed album sales and you result to this number, as if you were a record company and now the exact sales. So ridiculous. Plus, it is reported everywhere that her telenovelas have aired in 180 countries for many years now. It is not something new, and definitely not something doubtfull. As for the Sun, the newspaper doesn't keep Internet database or arhice of past volumes. But information is verified from the moment the source is referred. By saying source, we don't mean only Internet. Read the terms. Plus if she weren't that successful, Hollyuwood Walk of Fame wouldn't give her a star. Don't you think so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Comment: 76.228.74.139 Assume good faith, please. "I'm a fan of Thalia... LOL This is all a joke. Thalia and Sony want to hide her failure after so much media support and novellas by making up false sales figures". It is totally ironic, Don't you think so?. Latin Billboard Music Awards, NBC, USA Today and several sources true claim that Thalía has sold 40 million albums. Morover Thalía not only belonged to EMI; In 2006, EMI gave diamond record for selling ten million albums certificates or, I think it was only for the period of 2000-2006. Best regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Everyone knows Thalia's first 3 albums were commercial failures. Her 4th album, En Extasis was her first with EMI, which came out in 1995. So she sold 10 million from 1995 - 2006. I doubt her first 3 albums sold more than 1 million units combined. They all got the sales figures from Wikipedia, which some random fan, such as yourself, put up on Wikipedia in the first place. Was it you who created this fairy tale figure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You mention Billboard, but there is no actual reference. They have never claimed that Thalia has sold 40 million albums. In fact, they have stated that she has only sold about 1.4 million albums in the US in her entire career. http://www.billboard.com/features/ask-billboard-delta-goodrem-thalia-paulina-1003819200.story#/features/ask-billboard-delta-goodrem-thalia-paulina-1003819200.story Now that's a real reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a breach of etiquette: "Was it you who created this fairy tale figure?". Clearly, this is an personal attack. Latin Billboard Music Awards (they have stated that she has only sold about 40 million albums worlwide in her entire career), NBC, USA Today and several sources true claim that Thalía has sold 40 million copies. After all, it seems weird that you believe hoaxes like this: [2], [3], [4], [5] or [6] and without providing references, when you says: In 2008, the British tabloid The Sun, named her as one of "the 50 female singers who will never be forgotten" is not verifiable (Does not it make reference veracity Yahoo! News?). I also find it ironic that you say this: "I'm a fan of Thalia... LOL This is all a joke. Thalia and Sony want to hide her failure after so much media support and novellas by making up false sales figures". This reveals easily that your actions are in bad faith. Anyway... Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 04:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it ethical for a Thalia fan to add sales figures on her Wiki page? It does not prove anything is in bad faith. If she has only sold 10-12 million albums after all that media support for 22 years, then anyone can conclude the same thing. I'm only pointing out the obvious. Being a fan doesn't mean I will inflate someone's popularity, which you clearly seem to think. That reveals your obvious bias. As a fan of Thalia, you believe it is your duty to exaggerate her success and popularity and blow wind up everyone's _ss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.228.74.139 (talk) 04:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Not for nothing, I am impartial and objective, As there are many references indicate that Thalia has sold 40 million records. After all, many say that Paulina Rubio has sold 20 million records, but has certified in Argentina or Brazil? (And let alone other countries). Or Shakira, no the minimum certifications reach 70 million copies that many media says, or or am I wrong?. But, if you are unhappy. You can propose a comprehensive policy, not only by Thalía, Paulina Rubio and Shakira, but for every artist to have his biography in Wikipedia.. Chrishonduras (talk) 04:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, that is something I can agree with. I do believe sales figure are inflated for most artists. Personally, unless record sales can be given by an agency granting OFFICIAL certifications, then I think worldwide sales figures should not be listed. It may be true that several sources stated Thalia has sold 40 million albums, but I'm certain they all got that info from Wikipedia. And now it is viewed as fact. There are recent interviews that Thalia gave on TV when she was promoting her book Growing Stronger, like the Today show, where they said Thalia sold 25 million albums. So, again, this 40 million figure appears to have come from Wikipedia.76.228.74.139 (talk) 05:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)76.228.74.139 (talk) 05:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

¿Supongo que has de hablar español, no? yo también pienso que muchas ventas de artistas y de discos, como Thriller son gracias a la "Wiki magia". Pueda ser el problema con Thalía, pero después de todo ella no sólo ha pertenecido a una compañía disquera, mira con ABBA, las ventas varían significativamente de acuerdo con el medio que se cita (bastante), incluso de año en año. Madonna, Michael Jackson y muchos más es lo mismo, pero el problema es que no hay ninguna política oficial sobre esto. Con Thalía y los 40 millones, pues al menos una entidad como lo es Billboard y su premiación en idioma español lo respalda y muchos conglomerados mediáticos en inglés, español, portugués y en varios idiomas lo reportan. Mientras tanto, es imparcial mencionarlo y verificable. Saludos, Chrishonduras (talk) 05:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Her first three albums were com mercial failures? They just didn't have the international impact her EMI and Sony releases had. But they were huge success in her native country and Spain, because of her presenting a TV show, and of course many countries in Central America. Apart from that, these 3 albums havw spawned endless hits collections that were released in the years to come by Universal Music. Even now, collections including hits from these 3 first albums are released. This is silly. As for her releases from En extasis up to the moment, there is something that you totally forget. That they were elbums that were released and promoted in multiple countries worldwide. Amor a la mexicana for example was a huge success all over Europe, as well as Arrasando and Thalia 2002. El sexto sentido also had an international impact, not to mention her English album which was a huge commercial success in Japan, certified as platinum, which equals 1 million copies only in Japan. This number (10-12 million) isn't claimed anywhere. Totaling Thalía's albums sales in Mexico and US is something silly, since she has certifications in more than 30 countries, apart from the fact that it is widely known that Thalía became a huge icon and superstar in many parts of the world, but neved really made it in the US. However, I'd like to point out something, in her book Growing Stronger, it mentions clearly 40 million records, while in half of the interviews for the book this is the information that had been stated, while at the moment the sales figure in Wikipedia was 25 million, a number that came only from those Premios Lo Nuestro. But no one takes into consideration those mediocre awards, when a record company or an editoral claims something else. Apart from all these other reports in big american news sites, especially in the period when she was pregnant, NetWorth of course which counts rich people's wealth state etc. Even Michael Bublé has stated 50 million when he presented her in his TV Special program for Christmas. It's been so many years of discography, certified sales in more than 30 countries, so many awards, so many albums, most of them highly successful, legendary music videos etc. 40 million doesn't sound exaggerate number. What's more, you need to understand something. Neither AMPROFON nor Nielsen nor Billboard have ever stated worldwide album sales for any artist. So, this number is only claimed by a record company or a variety of verified and respectful media (the 40 million number is confirmed by both). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Sailormoon94... you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You provide no references. The 10 million in career sales is found here, which was granted by EMI Music in 2006: http://www.peopleenespanol.com/article/thalia-recibe-disco-de-diamante Platinum in Japan is 250,000 albums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recording_Industry_Association_of_Japan But you provide no references. Platinum does not equal 1 million units everywhere. In Mexico, platinum = 60,000 units. In the US, for English albums (standard albums) it is 1 million units, but only 100,000 units for Spanish language albums. This info is found on the website for the RIAA. The Michael Buble statement just highlights the dishonesty of Thalia's album sales. First 10 million, then 25 million, then 40 million, now 50 million? At least if Thalia and her management are going to lie about worldwide albums sales, they should do it right.76.228.74.139 (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. In addition, 76.228.74.139 says: "It may be true that several sources stated Thalia has sold 40 million albums, but I'm certain they all got that info from Wikipedia or, Is it ethical for a Thalia fan to add sales figures on her Wiki page? " I researched the history by years (2007-2011) and never see anything of the 40 million records, so it is clearly not primary source. And the article in the Spanish Wikipedia is protected since 2009 (indefinitely) and never see anything of the 40 million records too also. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 20:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Important!

According to the terms of Wikipedia, nothing must be removed without discussion with other users in the talk page. If anyone tries again to vandalize the article by edit warring and removing very big parts of information, even whole sentences, should be reported. I think an administrator should protect the page. It is a really well-written article and many users come and vandalize it, by removing verified information and changing it for yellow press. It's not a blog here, please show respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailormoon94 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)