You put a speedy tag on this some while ago, so I thought this might interest you. I may have deleted it as copyvio by the time you see it however. I've already deleted 2 other articles by this editor as copyvio. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 14:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
You put a speedy tag on this some while ago, so I thought this might interest you. I may have deleted it as copyvio by the time you see it however. I've already deleted 2 other articles by this editor as copyvio. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 14:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
== Tony Hwang ==
I received your message about the Tony Hwang changes, is it possible to revert it back to the May 2013 page, which was previously approved/used on the Wikipedia site? Also, why is the image being removed? Thank you!
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@Jetstreamer: For the very reason why you reverted my edit. You thought I removed a reference when in fact it was already there in the body of the article. It makes things hard when there are two different referencing styles. Per WP:CITEVAR, "Imposing one style on an article with incompatible citation styles (e.g., some of the citations in footnotes and others as parenthetical references): an improvement because it makes the formatting consistent." Bgwhite (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but each article's formatting is continuously evolving. That's the spìrit of Wikipedia. I'll be moving each archived reference out of the editing area again. There's no reason for not doing that.--JetstreamerTalk22:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Jetstreamer: All articles are continuously evolving and that is no excuse. There are 88 references with only 6 using {{Reflist=. Again see WP:CITEVAR. Prime evidence is you got messed up with the two styles. Go one way or the other, but if there are two styles with the vast majority being one style, I will do the same thing again. Bgwhite (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's actually you reverting me. I gave a reason, you did not.
Not sure what archiving has to do with it. Nobody can watch all the references in all the articles. You didn't notice the edit that messed up the refs in the first place. I only arrived at the page because there was missing brackets. I run into 10-15 mess ups with {{Reflist= a day. Usually the huge big lettering at the bottom of the page is a dead give away. It's not a problem with {{Reflist=, but rather a problem of people using several different styles and getting them confused. Also, you don't respond until a revert happens. Try to change that next time. Bgwhite (talk) 23:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Which is the issue you see on that? It's a dummy process for the purpose or reading any article, but not for the editing one: having tons of references there is an editing nightmare. Do you at least concur with that? BTW, in your last edit you didn't just reverted back to a previous version, but removed the links to the archived urls I introduced.--JetstreamerTalk23:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that having a tonne of references is an editing nightmare. There are some styles that favour what type of references being used, for example the harvb style for books. Otherwise, no style helps one way or the other. They are just different. The problem comes in when using two different styles. In this case having references in two different spots makes thing difficult. Having 82 references in the body of the article and the rest in the ref section does confuse people. I see it every day. It confused you and it has confused me in the past.
You are trying to keep archived refs in the ref section. A problem is when somebody else comes along to edit the page. Do they add a ref in the ref section or the body? They don't know only archived refs go into the ref section. I understand wanting to make things simple for you. We all do that to varying degrees. However, you have to assume other people will edit the article and you have to assume you won't be editing Wikipedia forever. If I'm here in 10 years, please shoot me. Bgwhite (talk) 23:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great we are in agreement with something. And you're definitely right in your last two sentences. I will only reinstate the last archived references, keeping them in the original format. And in continuing with the archiving process, I will keep all of them inline. Deal?--JetstreamerTalk23:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We are in agreement that you should shoot me if I'm still here in 10 years? Only one problem with that. My wife will have killed me off long before then. I'd say her constant nagging and shopping will cause a heart attack or stroke.
I was just wondering why you deleted my page on this program because it was on the history channel and currently on the channel Yesterday, here in the UK.
@D Eaketts: I copied the infobox and table into User:D_Eaketts/sandbox to save you some time as you rework the article. A sandbox is a good place to create the article without being bothered. When the article is ready, just copy it over to its final spot. Bgwhite (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
2013 is being celebrated as the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekananda. In September 1893 he delivered a series of lectures in the Parliament of the World's Religions in Chicago. Six of those lectures are mainly referred and recorded in the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda. We are attempting to feature DYKs on the dates on which Vivekananda delivered his speeches in Chicago.
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@Titodutta: The sentence, "he continued his correspondence urging her to take care of her health and become plump." needs some background. "plump" is a weird thing to say (atleast in this day). Was she sick? Bgwhite (talk) 22:35, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Bgwhite, thank you very much for copyediting the article. I don't know if Sister was ill at that time. I worked on the first part of her life, @Nvvchar: worked on the second part. But, remove all problematic portions without hesitation. The article fails to catch the essence of Sister's life (and that's not possible to do in five/seven days — Sister remained unmarried to serve India and Vivekananda — she was a too good... and polite natured person too... Sister was too good). I'll most probably ask you to copyedit a short article in this September session, so, if the copyediting work is done please leave the article as it is, I'll solve other issues including her illness, letters, etc. related discussion --Tito☸Dutta01:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You made a mess of our article and your edits have been undone/deleted. You are not the wiki police nor do you own wiki. We are aware anyone can edit. And that's fine, it's wiki. Any edits, like yours that were horribly full of errors and made a mess of the article, will continue to be undone and the article will return to how Andrew has requested it. Please don't waste our time or yours. Thanks!
... the Sister Christine article is still bish bnao jole (trying to find shore). Sister once told—
Our love for India came to birth, I think, when we first heard him (Swami Vivekananda) say the word, "India", in that marvellous voice of his. It seems incredible that so much could have been put into one small word of five letters. There was love, passion, pride, longing, adoration, tragedy, chivalry, heimweh, and again love. Whole volumes could not have produced such a feeling in others. It had the magic power of creating love in those who heard it. Even after, India became the land of heart's desire. Everything concerning her became if interest— became living— her people, her history, architecture, her manners and customs, her rivers, mountains, plains, her culture, her great spiritual concepts, her scriptures. And so culture, her great spiritual concepts, her scriptures. And so began a new life, a life of study, of meditation. The centre of interest was shifted.
Now, I have prepared this ALT hookbr.
... according to Sister Christine(pictured) her love for India came to birth, when she first heard Swami Vivekananda uttering the word "India" in his marvellous voice?
I feel I am missing the life of the quote, specially the part "There was love, passion, pride, longing, adoration, tragedy, chivalry, heimweh, and again love", Can you spend to minutes and suggest a rewrite of the hook making it more compact, more meaningful, more informative? --Tito☸Dutta01:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked Mandarax for help as he is the professional at this. Besides, you turned down my hook of her needing to be plump. :). First time I recall seeing the word heimweh. A hook combining the two following sentences would be good. I think the sentences are the strongest in the paragraph... "It had the magic power of creating love in those who heard it. Even after, India became the land of heart's desire." Bgwhite (talk) 02:37, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have a suggestion in an entirely different direction. I don't want to unnecessarily complicate the nomination in case you don't like my suggestion, so I'm just listing it here rather than on the nomination page. If you do like it, feel free to copy it over there. (And if so, the article will need an additional inline citation immediately after the hook fact.)
... that Indian Hindu monk Swami Vivekananda asked Sister Christine's(pictured) permission to read her mind so he could ascertain if she was mentally prepared for initiation?
Thank you for reading the whole article and suggesting a wonderful hook, but, I am confused here ....
Details of my confusion
a) Vivekananda not only asked Christine's permission, but he reportedly read her mind too. b) The suggested hook mentions "thought reading" which is a scientifically unacknowledged act. Vivekananda reported exhibited his supernatural activities several times such as—
Emma Calvé, the French operatic soprano, told, when she met Vivekananda... "then in a quite voice, untroubled and aloof, this man, who did not even know my name, talked to me of my secret problems and anxieties. He spoke of things that I thought were unknown even to my nearest friends" Ref: Vivekananda, Swami (1996). My India : the India eternal (1st ed. ed.). Calcutta: Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Culture. p. 177. ISBN81-85843-51-1. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)
When Vivekananda met American industrialist John D. Rockefeller.... "as with Calve, Swamiji told Rockfeller much about his past that was not known to anyone but himself." Ref: Same book, p=178
Vivekananda reportedly had the power to read thinks very very fast. "He would simply turn over the pages of a book quite hurriedly from beginning to the end, and that was all — the book had been read.". ref He reportedly read and memorized 11 volumes of Encyclopædia Britannica in just few hours.
But, Vivekananda himself always discouraged to highlight these supernatural activities (I am not comparing, but Gautama Buddha and and most probably Jesus also discouraged highlighting their supernatural abilities). For example, in an interview published in The Memphis Commercial on 15 January 1894, he told— "What have those things to do with religion?" he asked. "Do they make a man purer? The Satan of your Bible is powerful, but differs from God in not being pure."
So I am confused here. If you think it is okay, we can go ahead with your suggested hook. Else, if you suggest a compact hook from the Sister's quote on "India" above, that will be very helpful. --Tito☸Dutta10:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The hook I suggested merely reports on his asking to read her mind. I wouldn't want a hook which says or implies that he actually read it. But if he discouraged the highlighting of such things, you may not want to use that on the Main Page.
For the hook you listed above, I would just put some parts in quotation marks: ... that, according to Sister Christine(pictured), her "love for India came to birth" when she first heard Swami Vivekananda uttering the word "India" in his "marvellous voice"? As for incorporating another part of the quote.... The following, at about 194 characters excluding (pictured) which doesn't count, isn't exactly a "compact hook", but it's still under the limit: ... that Sister Christine(pictured) said that Swami Vivekananda's mere uttering of the word "India" stirred emotions of "love, passion, pride, longing, adoration, tragedy, chivalry, heimweh, and again love"? MANdARAX•XAЯAbИAM19:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ooops, I did not notice this post in watchlist, thought you have not replied here and went forward with the above mentioned hook (since we are targeting 15 Sept's DYK slot). I am seeing if @Crisco 1492: is online and review this alt hook shortly. --Tito☸Dutta04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DYK for Sister Christine
On 15 September 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sister Christine, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Sister Christine(pictured) said that Swami Vivekananda's mere uttering of the word "India" stirred emotions of "love, passion, pride, longing, adoration, tragedy, chivalry, heimweh, and again love"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sister Christine. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hi! i had problems with updating the infobox because the "university inbox"-template wouldn't let me edit. I was only updating the information so that the numbers would be more current and not old or misguiding. But now since you "restored" the infobox to its old out-of-date state, i have to ask why you couldnt have let the numbers remain updated at least? Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheoraclePete (talk • contribs) 11:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am leaving this message with you as you had previously edited List of refrigerants. I noticed that an edit 'scrambled' the column position of a significant amount of data. The scrambling would be tedious to remedy by hand. I reverted to this version by 5 July 2012 EmausBot which is previous to the problem edits. This may have undid one of your edits. Please consider reapplying your edit, if necessary. You may want to discuss changes on talk:List of refrigerants#Reverted to 5 July 2012 EmausBot edit. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks and question regarding a page you edited
Hi,
Thank you very much for taking the time to visit the Camille and Kennerly Kitt page and for cleaning up some of the links to other Wikipedia pages, especially the ones with Spanish accents, which worked the way I had done them, but were quite unsightly; however, oddly enough, you can see on the Emirates247 page that the "|" does apply to the article I mentioned. It's strange, but there's an Emirates 24/7 and an Emirates 24|7. I'm surprised and glad I was able to link the page including the "|" in it. Anyway, I was wondering if you could help with the references section since you offered assistance, but maybe not for that, so I'm just asking. An administrator told me today that both styles that you can see on the Harp Twins page are deficient. If you look at the page history, not long ago we had a format that I was very fond of and easy to use but she said it was poor, and now there's basically a different format (except for my brand new edits), and she says it's better but still not good enough.
Thanks for your message, which I just saw. I'm no good at templates so I'll just take out the "|" if that's causing an error message (I doubt anyone will file a formal complaint!). Thanks again... Dontreader (talk) 07:51, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, Bgwhite. Since I don't want to abuse your generosity, again on the Camille and Kennerly Kitt page, I would much rather, at this point, see if you think what I did is suitable in the discography section, and forget about the template for references since I understand your time is very valuable. You can see in the history of the article that at the top of the discography section there used to be links intended to be references to prove that the tracks actually do exist, but another user took then down a couple of hours ago, claiming that it made the page look like it was trying to promote sales of the MP3s. So I decided to reinsert the line "Camille and Kennerly have released several of their harp duet arrangements on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, CD Baby and SoundCloud." without the links to where you can buy their music directly. That way, in my opinion, any Wikipedian can verify that the discography section is true, while not directly advertising the music. Please compare the two versions, and please let me know if you think this is a reasonable compromise. I'm worried that someone might take down the entire discography section. I hope this won't take up much of your time. As I said, please forget about the template for the references section. Many thanks in advance. Dontreader (talk) 12:06, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dontreader Unfortunately, your proposal still sounds like your promoting the sale of the music. This is a tricky area as there are no clear boundaries between what is promotional and what is a reference. You can use a link to iTunes or Amazon if it references a statement. I most commonly see these sites used when referencing when music was released. So, in the table, you can use a iTunes/Amazon/Google link as a reference to when the single was released.
I just removed references to IMDb from the article. IMDb is a user generated content site just like Wikipedia. You can't use Wikipedia as a ref for the same reason.
You are probably confused and bewildered about all the rules. Music articles are the #1 articles for abuse. Because of this, editors tend to look at music articles with a finer tooth comb. I remember writing my first articles and being confused about reference style and why the articles couldn't look one way. You will get frustrated, flustered and angry. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, Bgwhite. First of all, I totally understand why you removed the IMDb references, and I'm grateful that you took the time to read the article to some degree or another to notice that mistake. I also see your point regarding the fine line between what is promotional and what is a reference. But then, I'm not sure if I understand your suggestion correctly; I mean, for example, are you saying it's okay if I include an iTunes link in the discography table, next to each single, that takes the user to the page where the single can be bought, and which supports the release date information of each single? And in the case of the singles that are only available on SoundCloud, can I do the same thing with SoundCloud links? I ask because again it seems like someone might come and take it all down again, claiming that it's promotional. Please let me know if I understood correctly. And regarding getting frustrated and angry, there is really only one person who has made me feel that way, apart from the user who nominated the article for deletion several months ago. I think it's a shame that there are very rude people out there, such as Duffbeerforme, who constantly roam Wikipedia behaving in a manner that is inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines. Never courteous or constructive, or suggesting other ways to do things better; just highly destructive, making Wikipedia a war zone. I don't understand why the community has not told him to behave properly. That one person is the reason why I won't donate to Wikipedia again. I really wish something could be done, such as warnings from administrators. Anyway, thanks again for your help and your thoughts, and please let me know if I understood you correctly regarding the links in the discography table. Many thanks in advance. Dontreader (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dontreader Yes, it is ok to... "...I include an iTunes link in the discography table, next to each single, that takes the user to the page where the single can be bought, and which supports the release date information of each single?". As with everything, there are some caveats. If there is another source, such as a reliable review or news article that mentions the release date, then use that ref over the iTunes link. I'm not certain on this, but I wouldn't put up SoundCloud links. Those are put up by the musician(s), therefore they are a primary source and possibly unreliable.
Sorry to hear about your experience with Duffbeerforme. I don't recall having any interaction with them. Wikipedia mirrors the real world, so there are all types of editors around here who all have different moods at different times. Plus, as with every organization, there are the politics. Bgwhite (talk) 22:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's truly great news! I appreciate your time and help very much, Bgwhite. As soon as I get rid of this massive headache, I will include the iTunes links, as you indicated, but not the SoundCloud links, for the reasons you mentioned. If I find other reliable sources later on, which I hope will be the case, I will use them instead of iTunes. I told Duffbeerforme on the talk page of the article that you said it was okay to do this. I truly hope not to take up any more of your time or abuse your generosity, but if he reverts that edit which I have not yet made, I will be forced to come back and ask you to please intervene. Thanks again, and have a nice day. Dontreader (talk) 00:36, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
zzebra138's changes
First, sorry. I just found the history page and know now the reason I've been so frustratee.
i've only used wiki before, never edited it so assumee I could just show up with a bunch of things and post.
Can I get in toufch with you to talk more?--Zzebra138 (talk) 05:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are always welcome to leave a message here or your talk page. The talk conversation just above this was about music and getting thing right. I'm around here at weird hours, so I might not respond quickly. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(Another) Tryst with destiny
A couple of weeks ago, we (also) made a tryst with destiny, and now the time is coming when we shall redeem our pledge, not wholly or in full measure, but very substantially.
On 7 September, we planned Swami Vivekananda DYK celebration and felt it was like targeting the moon. But, by the grace of Krishna, we have almost accomplished our goal. Please see updates here:
Swami Vivekananda's 150th birth anniversary DYK celebration September 2013 — Date requests
2013 is being celebrated as the 150th birth anniversary of Swami Vivekananda. In September 1893 he delivered a series of lectures in the Parliament of the World's Religions in Chicago. Six of those lectures are mainly referred and recorded in the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda. We are attempting to feature DYKs on the dates on which Vivekananda delivered his speeches in Chicago.
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Please do not select more than 1 DYK per day (even if you see more than 1 DYK are nominated per day).
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I have chosen the article Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached as our last article in this festival. The theme of the article perfectly matches with the theme of the DYK celebration. The DYK nomination has already been passed. But, would please spend few minutes to revise the article and fix wording/grammar etc errors if you find any? --Tito☸Dutta16:22, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Recent BG19bot edit has incorrect edit summary
In this edit your BG19bot identified the edit it was making as "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix for #59. Remove br tag at end of parameter." However, it didn't remove a BR tag. Instead it changed the template name to remove a redirection. So, the edit seems to have been OK, it was just the description of what it was doing that appears to have been erroneous. —RP88(talk)08:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RP88 I would normally say the article ended up on the checkwiki list a few days ago, but was fixed since then. However, in this case, the bot must have decided to protest the harsh treatment I've been giving it and not fix the problem. I think I need to look over the #59 edits to see if there were some more problem. Thank you for telling me. Bgwhite (talk) 08:39, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I just figured I'd mention it in case it was symptomatic of a deeper issue. I'm happy to hear that you're going to take a closer look. —RP88(talk)08:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{U|RP88} Could you bug me in 4-5 days if you don't hear back from me. I'm on a semi-break for a few days and can't get to it right away. If I get a few new talk messages, I tend to forget what is above. I need to figure this out so the bot doesn't do the same thing and fill up watchlists. Bgwhite (talk) 06:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I notice you used AWB to remove a redlink from a list with this edit. How did you set AWB up to do that? Being able to use AWB to remove non-notable list entries would be incredibly helpful. Thanks, IronGargoyle (talk) 04:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IronGargoyle I have bad news for you. It was essentially a manual edit. I came to fix the messed up external link on the 'The Whiptones'. I made Whiptones a wikilink to see if it had an article. When I previewed the page, Whiptones was a red link and I noticed 'The Orients' was also a red link, so I deleted both. Sorry. Bgwhite (talk) 05:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DYK for Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached
You put a speedy tag on this some while ago, so I thought this might interest you. I may have deleted it as copyvio by the time you see it however. I've already deleted 2 other articles by this editor as copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Tony Hwang
I received your message about the Tony Hwang changes, is it possible to revert it back to the May 2013 page, which was previously approved/used on the Wikipedia site? Also, why is the image being removed? Thank you!
