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Pratham currently has the library-pic, and the yoga-pic. Are there any restrictions about uploading pictures of recognizable-individual-humans, without their explicit permission? We might have to wait a bit before we break this new heartbreaking news to him.  :-)   Glad he came back to talk, without needing to be blocked. There is yet hope. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 19:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

There is a guideline, but for group shots at some distance like those, it's more honored in the breach than the observance. More to the point, I fear he may not have taken those himself, either; I keep expecting some image maven to find originals. Since no one has, I'm ignoring them in hopes he did take them. If that makes any sense. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:36, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

On another subject, Clover is visiting their friend the Duromac CEO, to get shots of the cool machinery. Please sanity-check my advice, are they going to get insta-deleted from commons here? [1] Danke. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Commons is Commons, but I don't see why they would be; the only possible argument would be about brand-name equipment and I don't see why the manufacturer would object, so I would say go ahead and deal with those objections if and when they occur. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Please see, User_talk:Prathamprakash29#Possibly_unfree_File:Library_of_NRSJPS.jpg as of the 27th. Pratham last edited on the 5th, and is unlikely to notice this problem, until the imagefiles are deleted from mainspace per usual. When it is noticed...

1. we can try to explain again about taking pics personally, or about going through the copyright-assignment-regimen.
2. Our main question is whether the "newspaper such as Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran" which Pratham mentioned have hyperlinks to the stories about the school; at least the first one of those newspapers *has* a website, that I found.
3. Also, you were wondering how many Class-9-thru-Class-12 students there were... roughly 47*4 based on the average-class-size, but of course, that average class size hardly squares with the 2500 students in 13-or-14-classes... so more information would be good.
4. Do we have more pending queries?

p.s. Any idea what human-language this might be?[2] 74.192.84.101 (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

No idea, sorry. I'd kind of been waiting for the shoe to drop on those pics, since no camera info comes up at the bottom (and the exterior pic is the background on the school's Facebook page and also appears on the About Us page on this second official school site (!)). And I think we both agree it's probable that the New R.S.J. Public School as a whole has 2,500+ students, only some of whom are in the Senior Secondary years. This bears out the hunch. This one shows a lower-form classroom and may well have confirmatory audio - I don't have speakers hooked up - but obviously neither of those is citeable! There are several directory entries for the school online - it's operated by the Kumar Educational Society - and as I believe I've mentioned, a couple of news hits about students' performance in exams and a student petitioning to be allowed to take exams. I have no doubt it's notable, no matter what the actual enrollment. But I suspect the meat of the news coverage is in another alphabet. Unfortunately most of the balls are in Pratham's court, although if he stays away for a few weeks longer I'll cite stuff to that alternate website - it's better for our purposes. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2013 (UTC) ... ETA Dainik Jagran. Hindi, I'm almost certain. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the second website is intended for the under-construction branch? There is a sentence in the article about the location in Alladhabad of the new facility. Not having perused the youtube links, my hunch is that the 2500 includes predicted attendance in the new-under-construction-branch, plus maybe additional planned-student-growth for the current branch, and that the currently-open-branch has 47*13 ~== 600something actual students at present. Hard to say without folks on the ground. My understanding of wikiPolitics is that high school districts are "inherently wikiNotable" under the theory that they describe a physical/political location and as such get an article... and since there is one high school per school-district, generally, that is why schools failing to meet GNG-sourcing requirements still tend to get a free pass of sorts. But yes, agree that in the case of NRSJPS, the sources prolly actually exist, if we can find someone fluent to search for and grok them. Is there a WP:WikiProject_India person you know? Does Sitush speak the lingo, or maybe Kudpung? HTH. p.s. Worrisome, Dainik_Jagran#Paid_News. p.p.s. Ahem, Kumar Educational Society.  ;-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Not in my repertoire of languages I'm afraid, but it's a fair guess it's one used by tolls and teenagers - it's called vandalism. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Vandaleze, of course, cannot believe I missed that one! ;-)   You could well be right, however, since this was from the same city as the school, and just added a few words to the end of a random paragraph (i.e. not deleting anything), methinks possibly it was graffiti-just-testing-if-this-anyone-can-edit-thing-really-works-eze, rather than more devious forms of vandalism. The main contributor (and only local contributor) to the article has a small case of IDHT, so I'm hoping we can find additional folks local to the region that speak the language of the sources. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

--Pratham 17:14, 14 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prathamprakash29 (talk • contribs)

Adolf Fredrik's music school

Dear Yngvadottir,

You were more than helpful with the article Erika Sunnegårdh a few weeks ago, so I thought I might test my luck asking for a piece of advice on another article that has now bounced twice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Adolf_Fredrik%27s_music_school

The reviewers don't like the article but I can't quite understand why. The way I see it this article has more and better references than 95% of the school articles I find on Wikipedia and I try to keep an objective tone. I have nothing whatsoever in common with Adolf Fredrik's music school other than our nationality. So, what is it I don't understand about writing articles? Andersneld (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a bit of a puzzle; I don't see why the second reviewer finds the tone too informal. Have you asked him for examples? I do see a bit of a whiff of promotion - for example, there is no source that I can see on the statement that those who do sing barbershop prominently in Sweden all have a connection to the school. You might want to shorten the article by removing not very relevant things like that. Also most of your references are not very impressive - things like Facebook - on a quick glance I saw only one newspaper article. Can you find more newspaper and tv articles about the school, or if there are already more than I saw, make it clearer in the reference that that's what they are? (Write out name of newspaper in full and link to Wikipedia's article on it). A very well established rule of thumb on Wikipedia is that senior high schools and institutions of tertiary education are presumed notable, but schools for younger students have to demonstrate notability like any other organization. And this is a junior high school. So this article has to meet a notability/referencing standard that many school articles we have don't have to. I'll go ping 74, who is active in trying to get AfC articles accepted via collective effort; he/she may have some useful thoughts too, but unfortunately IPs don't have watch lists and I doubt he/she obsessively checks my talk page :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hah! Wrong!  :-)   I actually came here to say, that Andersneld is on vacation for the next three/four days, per the note they left on my talkpage, and has given us carte-blanche to rewrite the article as we see fit. Methinks that what GorillaWarfare was prolly concerned about was the non-inline-cited superlatives, including several one-word-puffs in the first couple paragraphs. I also have a scheme in mind of using efn style "notes" section for all the WP:ABOUTSELF cites, so we can separate the independent third-party refs from the other stuff. (Also, many of the refs are doublets... google books in one place, and isbn in another place, for instance, which need to be condensed into a singleton.) If you get a chance before me, please feel free to dive in and start massaging the article. Thanks as always for improving wikipedia. And remember Wazowski... always watching, always watching.  ;-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Yngvadottir and 74, I'm back from my vacation and ready to edit :-) As an aside here is a quick summary of the classical music scene in Berlin:

• Go to Berlin to listen to opera (all three opera houses)
• Go to Berlin to listen to the Berlin Philharmonic
• Go to Stockholm to listen to choral music

First question, do we discuss the Adolf Fredrik's music school article here or on 74's talk page, or perhaps elsewhere? I have read your comments and tried to fix the article:

• Whiff of promotion. I plead guilty. My first version had none of this, but I got confused when the article was first turned down because of lack notoriety. I have now tried to be more impartial. Should I take away the second paragraph altogether?
• one-word-puffs. Guilty again, for the same reason. Now corrected I think.
• Barbershop references. Now added, and the text modified to reflect that there were two singers that I couldn't verify as having attended the Adolf Fredrik's music school.
• Oral sources. My source for the statement that all the members of the Swedish barbershop quartets have attended the Adolf Fredrik's music school is a well-known Swedish choral director, Bengt Ollén, that I met recently at a private party. Would this qualify as a reference? If so, how should the reference be phrased?
• Consider removing the barbershop reference. I'd rather not. Bengt Ollén tells me that winning all these barbershop prizes has put the school in the limelight of at least the US barbershop community.
• References not very impressive. I have deleted all Facebook references and tried to be clear on the rest of the references. They look a bit more impressive now, don't they?
• Doublets. How do I condense "google books in one place, and isbn in another place" into a singleton? Pls advice!

Cheers! Andersneld (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

• separate the independent third-party refs. I suppose this refers to references #8, 10, 13 and 16 that link to the school's own home page? I look forward to learning what to do about this! Andersneld (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Andersneld, I'm going to ping 74 and get him/her here :-D Yngvadottir (talk) 16:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yngvadottir, I clearly have a lot to learn: How do you ping someone on Wikipedia? Andersneld (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

With a registered editor, you link to their username and they get a red number at the top of their screen from the notification system: Andersneld, for example (I used the {{U|name}} template, but we used to use the longform like one sees in a signature). But since he/she is an IP, tehre are no notifications and I have to jump up and down on his/her talk page instead :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Since Yngvadottir is down with the worst case of the flu in six generations we should move this discussion to the AfC page, but the short answers are, oral sources are not WP:V but we can put *facts* into the article, inline citations are only required if somebody challenges the statement. That said, anything especially positive ("100% of the members of 100% of the barbershop quartets in the entire country of Sweden attended AFMS") are 'likely to be challenged'. I expect Yngvadottir already knows about the ref-condense and the WP:FOOTNOTE stuff, but the easiest way is showing you how, by doing it and then letting you see the result. Talk to you soon, thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Youpeee, the article is accepted at last :-) Thanks for all your help!! Andersneld (talk) 20:55, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh good, I'm glad! But it was 74 helped with this one :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

More advice please

Rays of light, symbolically represented as horns on the head of Moses (Michelangelo), can be a graphic symbol of Wisdom

Do you have any suggestions about how to deal with the continued attacks from Beyond My Ken. His latest action was quite offensive. I went to his talkpage to ask for help with understanding his mysterious attitude towards me, and he deleted my contribution without any response and with the summary: "I don't allow trolling socks to post here". Isn't that a gratuitous contravention of both the "assume good faith" and "no personal attacks" principles? And that on top of his other attacks elsewhere. Jaggee (talk) 21:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker):Listen, I would leave him alone. People do have the right to remove things from their own talkpage, you know. As Drmies said, try to find something else to do. Or try to forget the whole thing. Yngvadottir is probably not available because it is night in Europe now. There is plenty other things to do on the Wikipedia. Just take it easy. People were trying to tell you the right way to attack the copyvio problem, too. Hafspajen (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• Get wisdom, because it is better than gold: and purchase prudence, for it is more precious than silver.
  • The Bible, The Book of Proverbs 16:16 Hafspajen (talk) 22:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
• @Jaggee: Having dealt with BMK before, and knowing editors who have dealt with him, I suggest you ask Drmies for help. Epicgenius (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I got little to offer. If BMK doesn't want someone's comments on their talk page, they have the right to say so. One could call "trolling socks" a personal attack, but BMK believes, no doubt, he has good reason to say so, and thus one could argue it was a personal attack made in good faith, as odd as that may sound. We don't make the world and its inhabitants: we have to do the best with what's there. (For the record, BMK is a valued editor and has contributed greatly to our project.) I can't make someone behave, whatever "behave" means, according to whose standards. If I could, this place would look a lot different--and Yngvadottir would be in charge. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

And there is an old party rule to keep in mind: If everybody is telling you you are drunk, you better belive it, go home and sleep. This is just a joke, but what I mean, sometimes is better to listen to what people say. There are a bunch of people here telling you the same thing basically: take it easy and drop the thing. Hafspajen (talk) 01:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I gather then that people who the administrators are afraid of can do as they please, as rudely as they please, despite what the policies may say. OTOH, no doubt, if anyone else behaved half as badly they would be harshly dealt with. Jaggee (talk) 20:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

That dismissal on his talkpage was rude, yes, but as Drmies told you, editors have wide latitude regarding their talk pages (some forbid unregistered editors to post there, for example, which is also contrary to our overall philosophy). To some extent it's personal space. I'm sorry you ran into so much hostility, but as I explained to you, your report came at a bad time when emotions were running high, and you escalated unwisely fast and used words that others found rude. To be frank ... while some editors have indeed built reputations here and are accorded respect for it, the overall situation is that this is a massive project that brings together many different kinds of people, from many different places, and with a surprisingly wide variety of interaction norms. Our philosophy is that one way of dealing with this - turning the environment into a massive bureaucracy - would be deleterious, so we try as far as we can to rely on people to be aware that there will be differences and disagreements, and to maintain a fundamental respect for their fellow editors. This is expressed in the civility requirement, and as I've said, I am sorry you were treated rudely, but you were also seen as being unduly brusque and then rude to the other editor. Now I'm asking you to please model what you are asking for, which is respect, and set this nasty interaction aside for now. It's a big project and you will meet many interesting and kind collaborators here; don't let rancour about a couple of people's interaction style fester, rather show them a better spirit, would be my counsel. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like all those advices were in vain, he is at the Ani now, under the Proposal section. Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Gaudiya Nritya

See Wikipedia:AN3#User:RupalDel_reported_by_User:Drmies_.28Result:_.29: the plot thickens. I think there's obvious socking going on. Drmies (talk) 19:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Mmm yeah, definitely an edit warrior; I cannot see why on earth my edit merited reversion. But I've now involved myself and besides, I freely admit I know next to nothing about Indian classical dance. Sigh. How they think this will benefit the article even before they started socking/meatpuppeting is a mystery to me. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't drop by to ask you to stick your pretty nose in it--I just thought it was funny. I haven't checked yet (after nap, groceries, dinner prep), but I gather something has happened. BTW, are you and Bish mutually intelligible? Drmies (talk) 00:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Considering Yngvadottir's impressive Babelbox collection, I'm betting she can understand Dinospeak. A little disappointingly, I also gather from the boxes that she's not as Icelandic as I thought, but a native English speaker, so "mutally", yes, I expect so. Bishonen | talk 00:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC).

Poor you. But the problem is solved. Hafspajen (talk) 20:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, Obiwan Bish :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• Could be a nice new name for bishzilla and company... Hafspajen (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

She will love this page but the timeline is hopeless. Hafspajen (talk) 00:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Gaudiya Nritya, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Vandalism from different IDs, Destructive towards a public article, what more!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sogkol (talk • contribs) 22:08, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• I really like the Obiwan moniker… though Bishzilla, whose head has been addled by her monomaniacal fussing with the Victorian Poet's Corner of her pocket, nowadays insists that I should preferably be known as Percy Bish Shelley. Yngvadottir, since you've received a fourth-level vandalism warning, I've blocked you for a week. (And Sogkol indefinitely). Bishonen | talk 00:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC).

• That will thrill the off-wiki peanut gallery who say I should be blogging and translating :-D No but really, thanks Obiwan. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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Prathamprakash29 I have added newspaper cutting on the school's talk page. Please see it.--Pratham 17:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prathamprakash29 (talk • contribs)

this is your first alert

That I butchered your user-talkpage comment to Pratham. You may of course revert, if you want no wikiFauna interfering, but I'd like to separate sony camera assertions, from picture-of-picture-derivative-works explanations, from satellite maps workarounds, from audiofiles-of-all-languages. Also, hid away the template-spams from the other folks, they are effectively worse than useless at this point methinks, but added image#12/#13/#14 to the List Of Questionable MediaFiles. HTH, glad you are feeling more spritely, or sprightly, or separately, or something.  ;-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 21:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Are you well ?

I don't understand this discussion, Since when Wikipedia sees pictures a a distraction in an article? I fail to understand the whole thing. Hafspajen (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

We kind of discussing it at Mies page. How is your health? Hafspajen (talk) 13:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Better than it was, thanks. I was able to finish an off-wiki task yesterday, so the peanut gallery has less reason to begrudge me my editing :-) I'm sorry he was so abrupt about it; it's a matter of taste, really. A lot of the articles I work on really aren't suited to having pictures, and I've been warned about excessive use of galleries; to a certain extent I feel that penalises one for using all 5 pictures in the Commons category when if the Commons category had 25, 5 would not seem excessive '-) Also so long as one doesn't pad the prose, wanting to fit in another pic or two can be a useful spur to find more information to include '-) And I think that rule about not making any pic larger than 225, or whatever the number is, is ridiculously absolute - it entirelyt depends on the picture and the number of pictures. One should keep in mind that some readers are on slow connections or mobile devices; part of the problem for them is templates, but not having a huge number of pics is something one can control to make it easier for them. However, what I always come back to is the particular article: whether it really needs pics for elucidation (Architecture of the night, where I used what I could find for the buildings mentioned in the text) and what will make it look good (sometimes we have several pics of the same thing (I polished someone's translation of Church of Notre-Dame of Dijon, but I think there are too many pics there - in particular I don't think we need two of the Jacquemart and a full set of the stained glass); sometimes we have an interesting variety (Janus Djurhuus; we have a youthful pic as well as an older one); sometimes I want to use the pics to show the range as fully as possible (John Stanley Coombe Beard, where I wish we had more; Munger Terrace, where we have a full set and I believe using all of them is justified to show the lack of repetition); and sometimes (often) I believe the article is better without a pic, at least until we get an adequate one (we don't have a pic of Árni Magnússon; someone added a pic of the Árni Magnússon Institute, now deleted for reasons of Icelandic law, but I didn't actually feel that was an improvement). So there are my thoughts and considerations - and disagreements with the guidelines - for what it's worth. But I believe it's much more an individual thing than many editors realise. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for answering. Hope you will be better soon. Having 1 gallery is not excessive use of galleries; this White is excessive use of galleries. Church of Notre-Dame of Dijon, INDEED is owewhelmed wit pics, do you wan't me to make the layout? Janus Djurhuus; and Munger Terrace not bad, but the gallery is uneven. No books would ever allow a gallery like that (studied grafics and layout in art school). And Árni Magnússon; he really needs a pic. About the policy, well, I am telling everybody al the thime that there was a consensus on this, but many people will or want to forget it; this one->Started with Removal of galleries and ended by rewording the policy in Why Galleries are useful. Wikipedia talk:Image use policy/Archive 12#Why Galleries are useful. Hafspajen (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Munger Terrace is an example where it will look different depending on the width of one's screen (or the window setting within it), so I decided to just line them up. If I were an esthetician I would probably go back and impose 2 rows of framed gallery to force balance; I've learnt how to do them since :-) Árni will have to wait till somebody finds a pic of him, unless someone else puts a building there, or a manuscript; but personally I feel only a portrait of the man is appropriate. As to distractions - I don't find pictures nearly as distracting as infoboxes. Those of us who are lucky enough to have eyesight can almost always learn something from a pic, but an infobox shouts out "This is what you should learn from this whole article!" I only use them in categories of article that are improved by them because of all the minutiae they can be used to store away: schools, ships, species, athletes ... Feel free to prune the pics in the church article; I avoid editing church articles so am unlikely to go back there, and I agree, it's excessive. (I also agree about White.) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• User :Yngvadottir citation: I don't find pictures nearly as distracting as infoboxes. - well I DO AGREE. some of them are just huge and irritating. And - impose 2 rows of framed gallery to force balance; how do you do that? Hafspajen (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• The style of galleries I used at Märkisches Museum; two such rows one above the other would force the pictures to stay in rows of defined length. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh I see. But that is not the final solution, because this one allows different pic sizes to jump out the frame and it makes also things unbalanced. I don't understand why are thumb sizes different nowadays? We would need a combination of both. Hafspajen (talk) 17:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

The aspect ration thing that we talked about before. But as it happens, all the gallery pics in Munger Terrace are the same size; I took them using a disposable camera. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:12, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Hm. Yes, well. Hafspajen (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Hope this will do. Church of Notre-Dame of Dijon. Removed some windows, the whole article was only one big window. Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Better, thank you! Yngvadottir (talk) 19:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

..*Thank YOU. Wonder why am I biten time to time by people who think I am overly picturous. I think the Märkisches Museum gallery can't cope with the difference between square, laying down rectangle and upright rectangle pictures (if this is the right way of expressing what I mean). Here[3] something for you. Hafspajen (talk) 19:30, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Upright vs. horizontal, also called portrait vs. landscape. Nor can the unframed gallery type, but the framed one allows specification of image width, so one can compensate that way. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  

  Vit passepartout - Like this

• By that framed one allows specification of image width, you mean that the upright and horizontal rectangles are kind of floating in space so it looks more even? Hafspajen (talk) 19:43, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• I mean that you can even them out a bit by making some wider than others, although they will also be correspondingly taller. In the usual kind of gallery, there's no control over the size of the pictures. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, I understand what you mean. In the usual kind of gallery, one can even them out a bit by making some wider than others. What I think is good with the usual kind of gallery, there's that frame that gives them a relative - harmony. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Considerably less urgent.  :-)   Methinks this fails the reliable-source test. http://www.publicinfopath.com/about/ Being used for hectares and for "14 classrooms" quote. Why is the WP:CALC on the number of classrooms controversial? Just to try and teach Pratham about sourcing? Or do you actually object? King Jakob's objection to the claim of 10k books is what it is, but the counts of classrooms and buildings and hectares and such seems pretty not-worth-challenging. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 01:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The source was added by King Jacob, our GA reviewer and AfD nominator, in this edit. I had rejected that source as one of the many directory entries I mentioned at the AfD that I had found. But since he added it as an RS ... frankly, I don't think the number of classrooms in a school is generally encyclopedic - for one thing, it tends to go up and down. I have no idea why it's in that infobox except that pretty much everything except the kitchen sink is. It's not worth calculating, but I also do think it's a dubious thing to calculate. Best solution: leave it out. Second best: find another source with a number Pratham can live with. Hectares I believe is on school website #2. Where oh where is "continues to tertiary education" number, which would be worth inclusion? Registration number is at the board listing, BTW. (P.S.: Back on IRC, lurking as usual, remember I have an exotic schedule but then you may also :-) Feel free to ping Rihan. Freenode, which for all I know may be a WMF side project. Also at least one other network, so if you see that nick, it may also be me. Or it may be a Rihanna fan.) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Nick Jans

About Nick Jans author of The_Last_Light_Breaking We don't have an article. More books Why? Hafspajen (talk) 13:01, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I was going to say it might be analogous to the situation with the Vienna Museum and the National Gallery (Berlin), where I found people had written on all or most of the branches but I was the first to write about the entire institution - I'm noticing more and more articles about individual books, often very new. But then I realised your links both go to Goodreads, so it may just be that he hasn't been reviewed by many major newspapers? If he has, go for it - write him up :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 13:10, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Who, me? I read his books earlier. (But don't have the book any more.) Not a bad author. But I don't want to make an article on a book. I was only wondering why the author doesn't have an article. I don't know anything about the author - yet. I just remember I liked the book and it surprises me that we missed him. Recensions: This is kinda neat. It's autobiography, and as such is a great extended personal essay, a great example of the form. I'm not sure it could pass as scientific ethnology of the Eskimo; everything in it is so personal. But you certainly do know more about the Inuit after reading it than when you started. And as I say, it's a great example of autobiography, in this case the story of a young man who moved to Northern Alaska in 1979 and stayed 13 years. and This book is a collection of essays written about the author's experiences and life in this area during the 70s and 80s. Mining and oil and park authorities have and will continue to leave their imprint. The author worked in a store, been a basketball coach, taught in school, hunted and observed wildlife. He has been part of the Arctic community Hafspajen (talk) 13:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I get three usable references on the first page here and half a dozen on Highbeam. An OpEd he wrote in USA Today in 1997 got a response from a Congressman. So he probably squeaks by on notability. But I need to finish Kristiansand first, and do the artistic Karin Larsson, and things keep coming up ... Yngvadottir (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

You are a great detective! Hafspajen (talk) 17:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm stretched really thin, unfortunately! Look what just got AfD'd - click on the interwiki to the German version. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

'"His eyes wuz crossed, an' his nose wuz flat, An' his teef wuz out, but wat uv dat?" Hafspajen (talk) 23:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC) ^{Cotton Eye Joe}

Talk-page stalkers: Project 89 Kondor Minesweeper got kept. I will get to expanding it if no one else does, but I'm busy, please don't hold your breath. ok? Yngvadottir (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I might have messed things up a bit ...

Hi Yngvadottir, I've been looking at the Thor Heyerdahl Upper Secondary School nomination and I need your help. Silly question but do any of the refs tell us about it being named after Thor Heyerdahl as given in the lead - I can see the one used for the library, is that going to cover it? SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:12, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Nope, which is why I had initially not said that, but then someone added an edit explaining who Thor Heyerdahl was, so I saw the need to explain the town's connection to him in the lede. The children's home and school foundation years are taken from the no.wikipedia article on Operasjon Peru, BTW - the charity's own website is a bit of a mess, so don't use those specifics as the hook. I would have nominated it with my 3 suggested hooks being the tent, the second largest/new building design award nomination, and the fact the design includes a sports stadium that the school uses for phys ed. But I don't do DYK any more so probably shouldn't have said that ... Yngvadottir (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

• Hafspajen's newly added link references its being named for the explorer :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, just checked it's in. Hafspajen (talk) 17:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Where is it that stated that the the etymology goes first in the main.? I was reading the Manual of Style back and forward and can't find anything. Hafspajen (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Not sure I understand? I put the info about the name up top because Thor Heyerdahl turned out to be not as common knowledge as I'd thought, so it's a legitimate first question for a reader to have. Is that what you meant? The fact it was designed by schmidt hammer lassen is what drew my attention - you'd been editing that page and I saw the picture, spotted a contradiction as to where it was located, and in looking that up on Norwegian Wikipedia by seeing where else the Commons file was in use, noted that it was an interesting article as well as having a dynamite picture. But I don't think they should be mentioned in the lede; it didn't win the design award. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Gosh, Yngvadottir - I am sorry. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this article. My fault. It is an issue I got bitten see at my talkpage, monastry. Should have started a new section. I know about the link between the article and lassen. Wish I could made that title all minuscules. Hafspajen (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see. No, I wasn't aware of any rule that the etymology section comes first. I can see why it would naturally be near the start if not in the lede, since it would crop up at the start of the History, but I think I've put "Name" sections in different places in the past ... Yngvadottir (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't either aware of any rule that the etymology section comes first. The question is - IS there any rule like that? I was reading the Manual of Style back and forward and can't find anything. Hafspajen (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I can't find it either: WP:ORDER is yet another shortcut like WP:FOOTER, to the order of the things at the end of an article, and a fast scan of the material linked from that page didn't find it either. It could be a WikiProject guideline; as I say, it will often naturally fall in that position. What I do notice is that the header you inserted was the same as the topic of the entire article - that's what I would have referred to in my edit summary if I'd been the one stepping in - but that's not the same issue at all. Dunno :-) Poor Hafspajen, at least after the back and forth the article has a more sensible opening. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

• Step in, but you are a person with a cool head, and I belive you, something I would not dare say about the other editor... Hafspajen (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Tadao Ando

Tadao Ando is a fine architect , if you like architects. Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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No, I'm afraid I don't - it seems to be hard-coded. Unless you can find an architectural company article that has it wider. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

• But were is that horse article?Hafspajen (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

• It got deleted 45 minutes later. It's a Swedish company that makes things like saddles, bridles, and saddle bags. Other than that and the name of the owner/CEO, the article didn't give any further info - no city, no year of foundation. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

No, nothing. I only find things like this... on Hippolife CEO. But I add some more exciting architecture. Hafspajen (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Yngvadottir, Hopefully you don't mind the new section. I just wanted to drop a quick note to thank you for your support, encouragement & good advice over the past few weeks. I greatly appreciate the warm & friendly welcome and everything that you've done. Thanks also for following up to see how things were going, and keeping my spirits up. Looking forward to working on building a better encyclopaedia! - Ryk72 (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, you got out? Hafspajen (talk) 13:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Hafspajen, I got out! In no small part due to the continued efforts of the good Yngvadottir. BTW, thanks for your help with Sapience; really appreciate you having cleaned it up. A little bit more effort from VirtualAvi & I and it might be almost ready. :) - Ryk72 (talk) 13:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• Yngvadottir is an Oxonian lighthouse ! For all of them in the dark... Hafspajen (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

EH, can you imagine, some newbie moved schmidt hammer lassen too Schmidt Hammer Lassen uhhhhhh. Hafspajen (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Not that new any more, and apparently a bit of a page mover. But you moved it back :-) These architecture firms with their lowercase are a bit confusing. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• Just styling around. They probably think THIS MAKES THEM SPECIAL - or - minimalism? ^{(UPPER CASE ONLY)}T There were books written in lower case only around 1900 -s something, ad loads of poems too. Maybe a new artice? DYK that... ahhh Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

A second thought. I predict more possible movers. I don't want to get into a conflict with every grammar specialist on Wiki. Is there a warning or solution for this<+ -Or - Wonder if it is not possible to block the page that only administrators are are allowed to move it. Hafspajen (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

It is, but first let's see what happens. It may not occur often enough to worry; architecture firms are known for such shenanigans. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, just wanted some backup on my action... To show that I am not alone with the idea. Hafspajen (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thor Heyerdahl Upper Secondary School

Got hit, this one. Hafspajen (talk) 16:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I saw :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

You mean this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes I did, thanks :-) Did anyone ever add Gingerbread house? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:32, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I see it on that same page (not added by me), - you can also look "What links here" and then look for "stat", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Näh. One of the few I ever created ... I think. I just go and give IDEAS to others. I actually forgot completely how many I created - 2-3? Is there a place one can check? Hafspajen (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

That is one great hook! :) But what do they do should a lightning bolt ever strike the building? De728631 (talk) 17:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

• Just a bad habit... throw it back. Hafspajen (talk) 17:42, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Finlands victims

Aggregate (uncorrected) risk of death can estimated to be 10⁻⁷ per visit in Finland. In essentially all cases, the victim had diabetes, a heart condition or other serious chronic disease. More than 50% were men over the age of 50, and 30% were over 70; furthermore, most often the victims were intoxicated.

I suppose all this would need to be cleaned out from that damn article. It is just hopeless, this Sauna- all of it. Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

That falls under the stringent rules for medical claims. I'd make claims like that, sourced to a newspaper, considerably less precise and certain and post to the talk page explaining why. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:44, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not the doctor but in this case I'm ordering the following cure: Leningrad Cowboys – "Sauna". Apply to ears when stressed from editing sauna-related articles. De728631 (talk) 20:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

LOL. I've hacked it about a bit but I think I will also drop a note to SandyGeorgia. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

• GOsh, Yngvadottir - have mercy. The whole article is full of such - warnings - I guess the Finnish think we better warn those poor people - so they don't make misstakes. Such a BAD article. - I am - just can-'t handle it. Put some nice images in it and soon give up. Maybe listen a bit on those cowboys too....Hafspajen (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Step back and wait for one of the medical people to arrive with a scalpel. At least right now it's not telling people a sauna is a certain cure for fibromyalgia or a guaranteed immune booster. Or fatal if you have diabetes. (The warnings against intoxication are odd. When I was in Finland a great part of the point was convivial drinking of beer and eating of sausages cooked on the coals.) Now about that Konditorei, that was sad. But so was Manganaro's. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

OK. that will be good. OK - . But the problem is not that only I don't think that all medical things are trouble (sauna does help against certain things) but the overall article, the sentences, stupid formulations, same things duplicated, everything said twice, three.-frour times. No organisation, no nothing. I tried to help but now I stop. Hafspajen (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I may look at it some more. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

• Leningrad Cowboys Yes, that Konditorei, that was sad, it was one of Mies favourite memories about Lund. It was the old type, like an old fashioned club, cosy, with bookshelfs, plenty of books and magasines to read, red brocade armchairs and small marble tables, wooden panels,... christal chandeliers, stuccos and guilded decoration on the ceilings, .. Now it is sold, and is divided in two small, cold, shiny hard, modern coffe bars, and just think, one of them has pink plastic flamingos in the bathroom... ugh. Hafspajen (talk) 05:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

  Ew. Yes, that was one of my favorite memories of Lund. Walking around in the church and on the campus was nice too. And I made it to second base on the beach close to Lomma. To be in south Sweden on a bicycle is a wonderful thing. Drmies (talk) 19:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Article Butchery

Here we go again. [4] And things removed were actually sourced. Hafspajen (talk) 15:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you have it under control. Make a note on the talkpage, partly to document what you've agreed is unsourced and removed - occasionally someone will find a source much later. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC) See ed not.

GRRR. So far. Hafspajen (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

This user likes Wikipedia very, very, very much indeed.

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Better House for Drmies.

LOL, not so much as the real power users, I fear :-) I see from the links in Kevin Rutherford's Signpost article that I'm only # 2782 by edit count. And I won't be editing by smartphone in the car on the way to the library today the way Drmies would :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• Nasty Drmies. Hafspajen (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC) ^{Prophecy Today :My edits about Tibetans being tortured and arrested with New York Times reference on it will soon be removed from the Tibet article}

• I admit I've Wiki'ed off will sitting at the Y during swim lessons. Smartphone editing is a bitch--but I've said that before. We went out to an urban farm today and played with chickens, and ate Venezuelan food. I need a few hundred thousand dollars, maybe a million, to buy some old Victorian-style properties on the bluff above the river and the city. Buy one to live in, the one with the great deck and the great view (it's now a law office or something), and a few more to fix up and help gentrify a neighborhood. (It was cut in pieces by the interstate, and now it's a mess all over.) Drmies (talk) 19:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
• It's a hospice. Type in 540 Clay Street, Montgomery, AL 36104. The back deck is spectacular, with lots of windows and a gorgeous view. It's maybe a 30-foot drop right behind it to Maxwell Blvd; you can see the farm ("Hampstead Institute Downtown Farm") on the other side of the Blvd. What you can't see is that it's another 20 or 30 feet from the Blvd down to the farm, so it really is a bluff, in a part of downtown that will increase in value in the next few decades. So y'all should invest, through me. Only problem is no backyard for a pool. Maybe I should buy the house to the right, with its weird red front, and built a pool in the lot next to it. Drmies (talk) 19:34, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• You need some lections from a Dutch - to fix that million, and buy some old Victorian-style property. 540 Clay Street is a bit small, I think. Hafspajen (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	You should have had this for days ago, all the time, all the time, all the time all the time lyrics. Hafspajen (talk) 21:44, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Aww, thanks ... (blushes horribly). I still make typos myself ... :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 04:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

How to make this work

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Gold is commonly formed into Yngvadottir.

{{Expert-subject }} Want to put that into the Voltaire islam section. Hafspajen (talk) 12:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

It seems there is no template for "This section needs the attention of an expert". So as you figured, use {{Template:Expert-subject}} at the top of the article. You will probably want to indicate the area of specialisation in the reason= parameter. Then on the talk page, put {{Template:Expert-talk}}, whose instructions say that a message below will indicate what sections need the expert attention. The suggestion to also bring it to the attention of a WikiProject may or may not be useful. Can't hurt, it seems to me. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

HOW DO i ADD REASON.. ?{{Template:Expert-subject|Voltaire and religious aspects, especially Islam|}}

{{Expert-subject|Religion|ex2=France|talk=Put here the heading of the talk page section you have started|reason=Voltaire and religious issues, especially Islam|date=January 2014}}

Try this, but do also use the talk page template. And you may have to preview and add WikiProject: in front of the 2 Wikiproject names. (I've commented out the templates above because they put this talk page in a category.) Yngvadottir (talk) 14:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, thanks. You are ... are a gold mine. Worth your weight in gold... Hafspajen (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oh good, it worked then? The instructions around here are sometimes hard to parse. Thank you, I'm blushing all the more .... Meanwhile, I am apparently gold in the form of someone who writes weirrrd headings. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Groan . Hafspajen (talk) 19:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• That rat stuff is disgusting, and this, is the roots, - and I just can't check it out. Maybe something out of the air citation, took out of his context? Hafspajen (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

If it's cited to somebody's Tumblr ... ? Yngvadottir (talk) 20:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can't check that citation. I think it is highly unlikely that V wrote that. His religion is wise, strict, chaste, and human: wise, because it doesn’t fall in the foolishness of associating any idea to God, and because it doesn’t have any “mystery”; It may be a citation from the play, they chose to build on, ... Let's say, "Pierre" or "Martin" - runs in the stage and says this: His religion is wise, strict, chaste .... Do you follow me? It can be something totally different, but still his words. I don't have the book V total woorks. But it SOUNDS weird. Sounds feel like someone drugged V or he is out of his mind. It doesn't sounds like him. V is kind of - ironical. Hafspajen (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletion as foreign

Okay I don't know that language so I was just thinking it should go there-was unsure of what to make of it. Well thanks.Wgolf (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)