Talk:War on women

Bad article by any name

By any title this is a poor excuse for an encyclopedia article. Suppose the slogan "Democrat War on Life" was so commonly used by anti-abortion sympathizers that a number of Wikipedians decided to write an article about it. They then detailed Democratic initiatives to facilitate abortion to the point that Democrat War on Life became Wikipedia's "go to" article to find out what Democrats across the country were doing on "reproductive issues." I can well imagine that some of the same folks who have no problem with our "War on Women" article would be howling that such an article was a blatant POV violation and that any article daring to carry such a title should only be about the phrase and not in any substantial way on Democratic policies. Badmintonhist (talk) 00:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

This is yet again bordering on WP:NOTFORUM. The article is about the political rhetorical device, its meaning, and its use. That's it. There is no political rhetorical device Democrat War on Life in mainstream media. Suggest how to improve the article specifically or move on. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

If Badmintonhist cannot encompass Wikipedia having an article about a widely reported political issue, then Badmintonhist should take this article off the watchlist and focus on other issues. Further disruption here will indicate an RFC/U is the next step. Binksternet (talk) 00:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Badmintonist, you have made a valiant effort to sway consensus, but repeating the same complaints over and over is disruptive. Please consider moving on to greener pastures.- MrX 03:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure, maybe if Republicans and mainstream media managed to get "Democrat War on Life" into common parlance as a way of talking about Dem reproductive rights initiatives, we might have that article. We might also have an article on flying spotted green mice if they existed and were documented in reliable sources, but that's a similarly pointless hypothetical. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:57, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

No, if there really were flying spotted green mice I don't think an article on them would cause much of a stir with you, Ros. No controversial political content in it. On the other hand if there were a phrase such as "Democrat War on Life" in political spindom, you would undoubtedly be either trying to delete, or redirect into oblivion, any article on it. Badmintonhist (talk) 15:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Not assuming good faith and personal attacks. Please stop. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

As a result of community consensus at this discussion at ANI, Badmintonhist has been banned from interacting with Roscelese on any level. Badmintonhist has been warned on the thread, and on their talk page, that the next stage will likely be a topic ban. And for the record, aside from !voting in the ANI thread, I am an uninvolved editor here: I have never edited this article or had any direct dealings with Badmintonhist. Jusdafax 04:40, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

A better example is the War on Christmas, which redirects to Christmas controversy. So apparently in that case the War on Christmas is thought of as a biased term, but War on Women is not. --153.1.14.128 (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Intro

I changed the lead from "War on Women is an expression in United States politics used to describe certain Republican Party policies as a wide-scale effort to restrict women's rights, especially reproductive rights." to "War on Women is an expression in United States politics used to describe certain Republican Party policies that have been perceived as a wide-scale effort to restrict women's rights, especially reproductive rights." It was reverted because "the additional wording is against WP:NPOV as it makes the content appear speculative." However, I think that it should sound speculative because it is. Some people think that the Republican party is trying to restrict women's rights, but they deny it, and it's not really possible to proof either side right. I think that the current wording implies that the idea of the Republican party trying to restrict the rights of women is a fact, rather than just an opinion. Since I don't want an edit war over this, I want to get other opinion's on the matter. JDDJS (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the reversion. For your bold edit to stand, you would need to show that most of the sources describe the War on Women as a perceived "effort to restrict women's rights". - MrX 03:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Frankly I'm fine with either wording. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

The lede isn't saying that these policies act like that. It says that the War on Women is an expression used to describe certain policies as such. There's no need to make it look overtly speculative --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I see no reason for change. The named Republican policies certainly limit women's rights, and they are collectively called "War on Women" by the political enemies of the Republicans, despite the fact that hard proof does not exist to show a party-wide intent to limit women's rights. The "War" is not a fact, but the policies are. Binksternet (talk) 15:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, whatever the policies do or don't do, the lede does not state that the policies themselves are definitive War of Women, it says that they are described as such by the party. This is clear to anyone with decent reading comprehension and doesn't need changing. It would also be editing against the sources --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 15:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Opening sentence

The expression "War on Women" doesn't characterize these policies as mere restrictions; it characterizes them as a war or as an assault. I changed the opening sentence to reflect this. Badmintonhist (talk) 05:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Biased wording

I have an issue with this paragraph:

"While used in other contexts, and prior to 2010,[17][18] it became a common message in American political discourse after the 2010 congressional elections.[19][20] The term is often used to describe policies that reduce or eliminate taxpayer funding for women's health organizations such as Planned Parenthood, in attempts to restrict abortion subsidies. Other areas in dispute include public funding and/or mandatory employer insurance coverage of such matters as contraception and sterilization."

This doesn't adequately cover the "War on Women." The issue isn't just getting rid of subsidies/public funding/mandates (i.e. "freebies.") The issue is also increased regulation by states over access to abortion (subsidized or not.) For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_5.

I think this language should be updated to be more accurate of what the term "War on Women" actually describes. 67.84.64.118 (talk) 00:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Trans involvement in War on Women

There needs to be a section on this in the article. The recent case of Barnett v. City and County of Philadelphia is a perfect example of institutionalized support for trans aggression against real women. [1] 143.231.249.138 (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. Tenthrow (talk) 18:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I disagree on the basis that "trans agression against real women" isn't relevant to the War on Women and is in fact an extremely transphobic notion. 173.26.60.174 (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Complete disagreement. The article cited seems to be about a very particular case involving prison inmates and an accused pimp. The lawsuit was brought about because "the inmates – Yazmin Gonzales, Katiria Chamorro, Maria Cachola, and recently released Jabrina T. Barnett – claim Saldana touched or groped them, subjected them to daily sexual harassment, and leered at them as they bathed or used the toilet." In what way does this case represent the entire transgender community going against women?

This case does not does represent the entire transgender community, 143.231.249.138 is a troll that has been on a Transgender edit war and was recently banned for their edits. Seems they may be banned again if they keep thinking like this and edit based off that. Resaltador (talk) 19:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)